Pludgapalooza: MacOS 15.4, iOS 18.4, iPadOS 18.4, etc, etc.

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8 new emoji!!! I always send one of the new ones to my partner to coerce her into updating :p.
Haha, yes it’s a great motivator! Glad it’s not just me!

Something odd that I’ve noticed with macOS system updates is that they install significantly faster on my Intel Mac mini than they do on my 14” M1 MacBook Pro. I started the 18.4 installation on both at the same time today, and the Mac mini had already finished and rebooted while the MacBook Pro was still on the “preparing” step and estimating 30 minutes to go. Considering how much faster the M-series Macs are otherwise, I don’t understand what accounts for this. Anyone here know?
 

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Weird. One of five Macs (a M1 Max MBP), immediately on boot from this update, required me to go into System Preferences to manually approve an update of an unidentified "Apple system extension" and then do a second restart. Looking in /Library/Extensions, the only kexts there with a recent modification date are the two HighPoint ones. Those got updated without any prompt for manual approval, as you would expect for software Apple includes with the OS, on the other four systems in the house (3x AS, 1x Intel). All seems normal otherwise on the affected MBP.
 

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As noted in this post in the Rants thread, apparently these updates are turning Automatic Updates on, and showing a confusingly structured confirmation page afterwards. However, it's not consistent—it didn't happen on my iPhone or iPad, but did happen on my MacBook Pro. WTF, Apple? I generally update promptly, but never automatically.

Also, a strange little bug in the MacOS update: I can no longer set individual desktops to a custom solid color. Wallpaper Images (custom or Apple's) and any one of the pre-set solid colors work fine, but attempting to use the system color mixer to choose any other color results in the desktop background being set to white.
 

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Come on Apple, don’t force feed us this stuff!
It's funny
The majority of people will just take it
A large subset of which was probably complaining about being force fed updates on other OS's

But one would hope they will do it a bit more elegantly compared to the past as pretty much every OS doesn't need to install monolithic updates anymore.

I think it's generally speaking a good thing, but this will put more focus on Apple's code quality at rollout-time. Which, as people may know, is, shall we say a bit lacking compared to one other OS in particular across the years, though that has been on a downwards trajectory so you could argue the only way Apple can go compared to the rest of the market is up, by default...
 

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The vast majority of people should update ASAP for security concerns. If one has thoughts on swift installs of software updates I would assume the technical chops to go toggle it off. Irritating? Sure. Incredibly small molehill? Definitely.
Turning on app auto updates on my mom's iPhone was incredible. I don't think she'd ever updated any apps after install, it took forever.
 

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Apple shouldn't silently change the setting, but they should nag. Most people I know who turn off updates do so because they never want the interruption, and as a result they never get patched. I've made it a condition for all family members (including my spouse) that if they want me to provide the tech support they have to have automatic updates on and let them run.
 
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Been poking around the updates a bit today, and spent time using the new "Ambient Music" feature. And I gotta say, it's one of the weirdest things Apple has ever added to an operating system.

If you're not familiar: There are four new Control Center icons, one for each of four streaming "ambient music" channels: Chill, Sleep, Productivity, Wellbeing. They are free to listen to and don't require an Apple Music subscription. By going into Edit Mode in Control Center, you can tap each icon to expose a list of four separate "playlists" for each to choose from.

I say "playlists" because I had initially assumed they were like any streamed radio station where you have no control over the song that's playing, but that's not the case—you can scrub through a track or skip or go back to a previous track, like any playlist.

I say it's a "weird" feature because... Why Control Center? Why four only marginally different variations with significant overlap? Why make accessing the playlist choices for each "channel" hidden and non-obvious? But most of all: Why are the songs not identified or attributed to a composer/artist? While a playlist is playing, you get full music controls, but the visible artwork is generic for the station/playlist you're listening to and contains no track info other than length. So if you hear something you like, you have no ability to go find more of that artist on Apple Music (or wherever).

Which, of course, makes me wonder if the music is procedurally (neé AI)-generated or sourced from rights-released libraries, like background music creators often use for YouTube videos to avoid DCMA issues. Apple hasn't said anything about where the music comes from other than "Apple Music" but that's meaningless (and makes it even more weird why it's ghetto'ed in Control Center and not part of the Music app where one would expect to, you know, listen to music).

I kind of like a couple of the playlists and could see myself using them as background music from time to time while working or whatever. But I find the whole UI/UX so strange. It feels entirely shoehorned, like there was some specific, esoteric reason why they absolutely could not be put in the Music app, so, a dart was thrown and voila, Control Center it is.
 
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Why are the songs not identified or attributed to a composer/artist? While a playlist is playing, you get full music controls, but the visible artwork is generic for the station/playlist you're listening to and contains no track info other than length. So if you hear something you like, you have no ability to go find more of that artist on Apple Music (or wherever).
This is not the case for me. I just added the "Chill" ambient music button to Control Center, tapped on it, and it started playing a song with the normal music controls including full album art, title, and composer. The first track was "Lost in Thoughts" by Patrick Hamilton. Shows in the Dynamic Island and the lock screen as any other track from any other playlist would.

Edit: I am an Apple Music subscriber. cateye - I am willing to bet you are not, as I'm sure you stream hand-ripped FLACs from your Plex server like all cheap ass self-respecting nerds?
 
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This is not the case for me. I just added the "Chill" ambient music button to Control Center, tapped on it, and it started playing a song with the normal music controls including full album art, title, and composer. The first track was "Lost in Thoughts" by Patrick Hamilton. Shows in the Dynamic Island and the lock screen as any other track from any other playlist would.

That's interesting. I just tried cycling through the stations again—I get music controls, but the artwork is for the "station" (not sure what else to call it) and no track info. I suppose you're right, the differentiator is you're an AM subscriber and I am not, although I'm not sure why that would be the feature you as a subscriber get—album art and track info. Why not limit things like skipping tracks to subscribers, make it more like a regular streaming radio station for non-subscribers? Like the free radio stations available in the Music.app that anyone can listen to (Apple 1, Chill, Hits, etc.)

Anyway, it's not that important, and it is a fun (if curious) feature, weird UX/UI aside.
 

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It feels entirely shoehorned, like there was some specific, esoteric reason why they absolutely could not be put in the Music app, so, a dart was thrown and voila, Control Center it is.
If they provided access via the Music app I suspect the EU and Spotify would scream bloody murder.

I don't see them in Apple Music either, and I am a subscriber. The playback screen looks familiar, Music-like, but is just an odd single-screen 'app' that transiently appears in the multitasker.

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Overall this is better – I wouldn't want these tracks affecting my Music playback/history.

Really, I wish you could initially access playback like Background Sounds in Control Center's Hearing menu – for consistency's sake, and in addition to the individual buttons.

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Really, I wish you could initially access playback like Background Sounds in Control Center's Hearing menu – for consistency's sake, and in addition to the individual buttons.

That's where I initially looked for it. I ended up having to google an article about the feature in order to find out how to use it. I genuinely wonder how someone who isn't attuned to the Apple community would ever find it.

If they provided access via the Music app I suspect the EU and Spotify would scream bloody murder.

Would it, tho? I would think embedding music enabled by your streaming service directly into the OS in a way that other services can't replicate would be more of a problem.

And speaking of: An interesting way to embed Apple Music in Control Center might be buttons that you could assign any arbitrary playlist on the service to, giving you quick access directly to favorite music.
 
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Something is definitely up with memory management on 18.4 running on my iPad mini (A17 Pro). Mainly affects Safari in my case.

In Private Browsing Mode, I normally have 3 tabs – a local news aggregator site, a manga site, and a Redlib (Reddit frontend) feed – perpetually open. Previously, they’d stay loaded with all login settings intact no matter what I did. Now, if I visit a moderately heavy site or spend some time on Youtube on other tabs, the aforementioned 3 tabs will reload and lose all settings or login status.

Also noticed that some apps I have in iPadOS slide-over view (usually Apple Music, Apple Podcasts and Mastadon) tend to go all white (or black if in dark mode) and refresh more often now.

Anyone else notice similar behaviour?
 

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Would it, tho? I would think embedding music enabled by your streaming service directly into the OS in a way that other services can't replicate would be more of a problem.
I think it would. Music.app is the front-end to Apple's streaming service. The EU envisions a world where your iPhone initially boots devoid of apps and end-user populates it from a list of leading choices. As the platform provider, requiring the install of your streaming gateway in order to access a 'system-level' sound feature? It doesn't play in that world.
 
In Private Browsing Mode, I normally have 3 tabs – a local news aggregator site, a manga site, and a Redlib (Reddit frontend) feed – perpetually open. Previously, they’d stay loaded with all login settings intact no matter what I did. Now, if I visit a moderately heavy site or spend some time on Youtube on other tabs, the aforementioned 3 tabs will reload and lose all settings or login status.
I don't think I updated yet but have seen that private browsing thing for a long time, like once it gets unloaded from memory it basically gets treated as a new private tab and loses whatever cookies/website data. So maybe more memory usage or just yeah, I guess different memory management leading to your particular case.
 
That's interesting. I just tried cycling through the stations again—I get music controls, but the artwork is for the "station" (not sure what else to call it) and no track info. I suppose you're right, the differentiator is you're an AM subscriber and I am not, although I'm not sure why that would be the feature you as a subscriber get—album art and track info. Why not limit things like skipping tracks to subscribers, make it more like a regular streaming radio station for non-subscribers? Like the free radio stations available in the Music.app that anyone can listen to (Apple 1, Chill, Hits, etc.)

Anyway, it's not that important, and it is a fun (if curious) feature, weird UX/UI aside.
I’m also not an Apple Music subscriber and I get the same experience that @Vincent Hanna does – the tracks have no identifying information other than the name of the station/playlist and generic artwork that doesn’t change between songs. You can skip back and forth between songs, but have no way of knowing which song is which, which is funny since it seems like that would be a great way to promote Apple Music! If anything, you’d think non-subscribers would see all the song details but not get the back/forward controls, rather than the other way around.

Another weird thing about the UI is that each of the stations/playlists is a separate button, so if you want to be able to switch between them, you have to add all of them to Control Center. Why isn’t it just one button with a tap/long press to choose between different options, like Focus modes?

That's where I initially looked for it. I ended up having to google an article about the feature in order to find out how to use it. I genuinely wonder how someone who isn't attuned to the Apple community would ever find it.
I too wonder how the heck regular people are supposed to find features like this. The controls aren’t added to Control Center by default, but there’s no other way to access the “Ambient Music” app otherwise since it doesn’t appear in a Spotlight search or Settings. Unless you caught the mention of it in the iOS 18.4 release notes, there’s no other way to even know it exists!
 
I’m also not an Apple Music subscriber and I get the same experience that @Vincent Hanna does – the tracks have no identifying information other than the name of the station/playlist and generic artwork that doesn’t change between songs. You can skip back and forth between songs, but have no way of knowing which song is which, which is funny since it seems like that would be a great way to promote Apple Music! If anything, you’d think non-subscribers would see all the song details but not get the back/forward controls, rather than the other way around.
That is not my experience as an Apple Music subscriber, as I say here.
This is not the case for me. I just added the "Chill" ambient music button to Control Center, tapped on it, and it started playing a song with the normal music controls including full album art, title, and composer. The first track was "Lost in Thoughts" by Patrick Hamilton. Shows in the Dynamic Island and the lock screen as any other track from any other playlist would.
 
Safari in 15.4 here now beachballs on nearly every heavier site literally 50% of the time, including google maps and funnily enough, developer.apple.com...

I'll admit I have a bit non-standard settings (developer and debug enabled), but it all worked perfectly fine in 15.3.x with the exact same settings.

Aargh. Basically Safari on my system is totally unusable now after the update. Great job, Apple.
 
I don't think I updated yet but have seen that private browsing thing for a long time, like once it gets unloaded from memory it basically gets treated as a new private tab and loses whatever cookies/website data. So maybe more memory usage or just yeah, I guess different memory management leading to your particular case.

Oh, I’ve had that happen on lesser devices, like the 6th gen iPad mini (half the RAM of the current mini, I believe), but never on this one. Heck, even the old device required me to do a lot more for it to flush tabs from memory compared to what I’m currently experiencing on 18.4.

Definitely seems to be a Safari issue. Play a 30+ minute game of Football Manager or Katamari Damacy and my opened tabs on Safari are fine, but the moment I visit Ubiquiti’s ui.com site and tap their store link on a new tab, every other tab I have opened dies.

Can’t accurately convey how annoying this is without resorting to copious amounts of profanity.
 
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