Elon Musk and Trump win fight to keep DOGE’s work secret
- Thread starter JournalBot
- Start date
I'm a fucking combat veteran, so not even close. I'm not the one who has rolled over and showed my belly, Congress is. I'm just saying there is no enforcement mechanism anymore for the courts even if they find in favor of plaintiffs because the DOJ has been neutered.
Upvote
33
(33
/
0)
Why must we live in a timeline that makes Idiocracy look like a naive utopia?
Though these morons couldn't keep their own bowel movements secret. Want to know what they're up to? Check the group chat.
Though these morons couldn't keep their own bowel movements secret. Want to know what they're up to? Check the group chat.
Upvote
13
(13
/
0)
It’s hard to go a day without hearing some action from this president and his cults members that doesn’t make your blood boil.
Upvote
6
(6
/
0)
And there's the rub, innit?
There used to be a quip "Germans won't have a revolution and occupy the train stations, without buying a ticket".
Americans won't have a revolution until they have their mortgage paid off, it seems.
IOW, as long as for the average American today is pretty much the same rat race as tomorrow, they won't take to the streets. And by the time it's become too bad, it will be too late (if it isn't already, which personally I believe).
Let me repeat: I'm not blaming you or others of the American "precariat". Most people aren't cut out to become Che Guevara or whoever, and run a guerilla war from the mountains and woods.
That said, we're not even seeing marches like in the the 60s and 70s. That is pretty pathetic.
Upvote
32
(32
/
0)
1) buy local
2) don’t buy swastikars
3) be really sweet and lead with love with everything you do
I’m probably forgetting some other forms of non violent and even passive protest. Any and/or all of these are effective means and have real benefit.
Upvote
9
(10
/
-1)
“Man, they got stuff that can blow out our backs.
From where they stay at.”
- Andre Benjamin aka Andre 3000
Upvote
2
(4
/
-2)
Upvote
1
(3
/
-2)
As I said above, it really depends on what the marshals do. We havent had that tested yet, we’ll get our answer one way or the other eventually, let’s hope the answer is “follow the constitution, their oaths, and the court’s orders”
Upvote
6
(6
/
0)
Once again illustrating the limitless hypocrisy of conservatives -- transparency for everyone else, whether the like it or not, regardless of the harms it causes. But not for them.
Upvote
10
(11
/
-1)
I'm self medicating with a double strength cocktail today.
Though it is making it hard to refrain from typing things like I hope the dumbass "we" elected President chokes on his well done steak with ketchup.
Upvote
9
(10
/
-1)
Upvote
-8
(0
/
-8)
Other members of his admin are counting on the pardons he promised. Why do you think he pardoned all those Jan6 criminals?
The supreme court may have ended democracy in the US by creating a president who is above the law and can also pardon any criminal working for him. How exactly do you stop criminal activity in the administration if you've defined their innocence as being up to a single, powerful, legally immune person?
Upvote
23
(23
/
0)
David Mayer
Wise, Aged Ars Veteran
Answering that question honestly is probably bannable and likely to get you into trouble far beyond a ban.
Upvote
19
(20
/
-1)
I mean, the theoretical answer is either impeachment and removal or the cabinet invoking the 25th, but given congress has decided its entire job is to deepthroat Trump’s boots* and the cabinet is, as a result, full of sycophants, the only real answer at the moment is “let’s hope Trump finally eats one too many cheeseburgers and keels over from a massive cardiac arrest”.
McDonald’s, please up the fat content of your burgers, the country is counting on you
*If the democrats somehow massively overperform in 2026 and get 2/3s in both houses they can impeach and remove Trump
Upvote
16
(16
/
0)
steelcobra
Ars Tribunus Angusticlavius
The problem with that tactic is that JD Vance becomes president.
Upvote
20
(20
/
0)
Is there an option to issue a freedom of information request in regards to doge and elon musk?
Upvote
1
(1
/
0)
You really are an asshole, you know that? What was I supposed to do? Force other people to vote how I wanted? March to the polls with a gun and scare off anyone voting for Trump? Kidnap a politician? Assassinate Trump? What, exactly, could and should I, as an average person, have done to change the outcome of that election?
You know, I actually have things on the line, here. Two of my best friends are trans. My brother is autistic. My whole family is Hispanic. Do you have any stake in this? It's easy to just shout at other people to do something when you're not the one there. If it's so important, if you're basically watching someone get raped, why don't you do something, too? Why aren't you willing to drop everything, fly to the States, and start protesting? Is your inconvenience somehow an excuse? Is that too much to ask? After all, anyone who isn't doing literally everything they can is just an asshole watching their friend get raped, right? Or does that magically not apply to you? Is it too much to ask you to upend your life, put your welfare on the line? Is there not enough you could realistically do to help?
Upvote
22
(26
/
-4)
In the immortal words of John Maynard Keynes, "In the long run we are all dead."
Upvote
2
(3
/
-1)
The problem is that you're seeking a democratic solution to a problem that's outside of our Democracy.
The levers that congress people have to pull to stop Trump are completely broken, as long as he doesn't acknowledge them. Those levers had an effect on past presidents because those presidents respected the rule of law and our democratic institutions. None of that applies when you have a true fascist like Trump.
We are no longer operating in a functional democracy, and complaining about congress people is just an answer to yesterday's problems.
Upvote
16
(17
/
-1)
Assuming we have elections in 2026, and that they're not rigged.
Upvote
6
(6
/
0)
Don't do that. Buy Canadian. <Grin>
As for number 3... I'm sorry but the current administration has literally declared "woke ideology" to be so horrendous it needs to be excised from the country.
Woke ideology is - basically - "be nice". Someone wants you to use G'PLURP and B-B-BPUTU as their pronouns? Sure. Doesn't hurt anyone. Someone feels like God put a male soul in a female body? Sure. He (or She, or G'plurp) works in mysterious ways, right? People with darker skin don't get opportunities because of light-skin-bias and someone wants to eliminate that bias? Sure. When you need to borrow a neighbor's pickup truck it doesn't matter if he's black or white... he's just a dude with a truck.
Woke isn't "encourage people to transition" or "give all the gay black ladies the jobs while cutting off white dudes' balls". It's just... stop... being... assholes.
Well, this crew thinks being an asshole is a virtue, and you really, really can't fight that with being nice. Teach their kids that being nice is the better path, but kick the adult's asses because that's all they are willing to understand.
Upvote
19
(19
/
0)
Upvote
0
(0
/
0)
I don’t consider choosing to abandon democratic principles a path to sustaining those principles.
Nor, to curtail further encouragement to hastily throw the baby out with the bath, should naivety prevent contingency plans.
Jeebus. Y’all sound like one of Trump’s executive orders insisting shortcuts are the only way to get things done.
Upvote
4
(6
/
-2)
How is this not a coop. Someone we didn't elect, is showing up in government offices, and telling people we elected that they're fired, based on decisions we have no visibility, let alone voting power on?
Upvote
5
(6
/
-1)
“The three-judge panel included judges appointed by George H.W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Donald Trump.”
So glad we kept politics out of judicial appointments .. The separation of powers is a vitally critical principle of a functional democracy
/s
So glad we kept politics out of judicial appointments .. The separation of powers is a vitally critical principle of a functional democracy
/s
Upvote
11
(11
/
0)
Upvote
0
(0
/
0)
He could just change what he is doing over and over again or delete info they request and move it. Technically he can't be thrown in jail for doing anything supposedly part of the job of president so that means even if they push him to stop he could just shift it to doge 2 say it is different then start it all over again. The only way to stop him would be impeachment.
It really means we are totally f'ed in the A until the midterms and if we don't get back the house and some of the senate it's gonna be a horrible mess. Until then all we can do is delay and the dems in congress need to realize that and fight like hell to delay. Right now they are still playing nice with a dictator and that pivot has to happen fast or we may be f'd in the A permanently.
Upvote
3
(4
/
-1)
what a goddamn thoughtless post.
We do not know what that poster has done re: contacting reps. God knows I'm pretty sure Ted Cruz and Cornyn promptly delete my emails without bothering to open them.
Seriously, what the fuck do you think we ought to be doing? Shit that'll get us shot or arrested ? And if someone here was risking that would it be smart to post it here on a public forum?
Upvote
16
(16
/
0)
Easy, hoss. Just validating armchair warrior status. You're good to go.
Please forgive any lack of patience with petulant whining I may have displayed.
Upvote
-14
(3
/
-17)
There have been lots of marches. Search for anti-trump rally and you'll get plenty of hits. Reporting on them has been shamefully thin, especially compared to the 60s / 70s. The major media outlets often act like caved-in wimps, bent on preserving "access". That's not a new thing. The anti-Iraq war protests were big. The BLM protests were massive. Media coverage was ... underwhelming.
I do agree the size is smaller. For now. I suspect that's partly because of who is afraid of police violence. In the 60s/70s, cop violence was usually targeted at PoC and visibly obvious counter-culture types. Now? Totally different story. A lot more people would feel threatened by cops at a protest - even your average white liberal mom'n'pop. That's going to keep people home ... until their desperation starts outweighing their fear.
Upvote
18
(20
/
-2)
They'd have to impeach and remove Vance & Trump at the same time.
But ... we've seen that movie. Agnew (Vance) resigns, Nixon (Trump) appoints a "we have to move forward" guy as VP (Ford).
The president being able to freely appoint anyone he wants as new VP is a huge loophole. It should require consent of the House and Senate.
Upvote
9
(10
/
-1)
Upvote
17
(17
/
0)