Elon Musk and Trump win fight to keep DOGE’s work secret

Musk and DOGE don't have to comply with discovery order, appeals court rules.

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[Madestjohn]

Agreed. Having a Canadian exit strategy helps.

as an (birthright) american long fled back to Canada .. take it from from me
Canada ain’t far enough

I don’t know where is
but Canada isn’t far enough

 

[approximate_pi]

if yir suggestion is that Trump
possesses some innate genius or dynamic personality that allows him to mentally dominate the american populace that vance lacks

… well you don’t know Trump

the only innate properties that Trump has over Vance is decades of deceptive marketing

… Trump was never a successful businessman until TV told us he was
was never master negotiator until TV told us he was
was never an domineering politician until TV told us he was

Vance will receive exactly the popular support TV tells us he receives

I’m legitimately not sure, based on your reply, if you know what a cult of personality is

 

[Madestjohn]

I’m legitimately not sure, based on your reply, if you know what a cult of personality is

merely pointing out nothing special in Trump’s personality that isn’t marketing

crass advertising no less

.. and this goes back to his failed attempts to break into Manhattan society in 80s

The populace did not seek out and draft Donald - he did not emerge from the forest to lead his people
he was auditioned cast packaged and relentlessly presented to them
(after mind you,he had failed so repeatedly in real life that he was desperately broke and there fore available for a below scale cut rate)

look at him now, bitter vindictive petulant, can barely form a coherent sentence and incapable of literally not shitting himself
- that’s not a personality one worships

I’m saying Trump has no core (besides flatulence) and is entirely marketing

so can be Vance

as ridiculous and pathetic the idea of Vance leading a political movement migjt seem now

think of the ridiculousness of Trump being president any time up to the mid 2010s

pigs ear into silk purse - then filled with crap

 

[Hmnhntr]

if yir suggestion is that Trump
possesses some innate genius or dynamic personality that allows him to mentally dominate the american populace that vance lacks

… well you don’t know Trump

the only innate properties that Trump has over Vance is decades of deceptive marketing

… Trump was never a successful businessman until TV told us he was
was never master negotiator until TV told us he was
was never an domineering politician until TV told us he was

Vance will receive exactly the popular support TV tells us he receives

I don't know about that. Trump has a unique trait I call "asshole charisma". He has a personality and manner about him that brings jackasses, morons, and bullies to his side like flies on shit. I don't know that Vance has that quality. If it were just outside influence that made Trump successful in this, how did Trump overtake the Right's own picks and force the entire party to bend to his whims?

I hate to say it, but Trump does possess one very real skill: self-promotion. He knows what his fans want and he's good at giving it to them.

 

[graylshaped]

I don't know about that. Trump has a unique trait I call "asshole charisma". He has a personality and manner about him that brings jackasses, morons, and bullies to his side like flies on shit. I don't know that Vance has that quality. If it were just outside influence that made Trump successful in this, how did Trump overtake the Right's own picks and force the entire party to bend to his whims?

I hate to say it, but Trump does possess one very real skill: self-promotion. He knows what his fans want and he's good at giving it to them.

Vance is one of Biff Tannen's sidekicks, nothing more. Whether he is Match, Skinhead, or 3-D, I leave to the reader to decide.

 

[Tango Baker]

Vance is a spineless windsock. He was anti-trump till he decided he could tag along. If the wind changes, he'll swing 180 and disavow everything he's ever said or done. I was not a fan of Pence but he at least had the dignity to do the right thing when it came to it. Vance will do whatever, whenever to keep the gravy coming.

 

[passivesmoking]

In the cheeseburger scenario Vance doesnt have the cult of personality Trump has, he’ll struggle to keep control of the GOP

In the impeachment scenario he could be impeached and removed too

Impeachment has been shown to be completely toothless. Trump was impeached twice and yet here is is like the turd that just won't flush. One reason he's so emboldened now is that last time he proved beyond a shadow of any doubt that the alleged checks and balances are useless.

 

[Madestjohn]

I don't know about that. Trump has a unique trait I call "asshole charisma". He has a personality and manner about him that brings jackasses, morons, and bullies to his side like flies on shit. I don't know that Vance has that quality. If it were just outside influence that made Trump successful in this, how did Trump overtake the Right's own picks and force the entire party to bend to his whims?

I hate to say it, but Trump does possess one very real skill: self-promotion. He knows what his fans want and he's good at giving it to them.

But did that ‘asshole charisma‘ help him on his first ‘official‘ presidential in 2000 when he teamed up with Roger Stone to explore the chance to lead the dregs of Ross Perot’s reform party
(campaigning on international trade, eliminating the national debt, and achieving universal healthcare )
Losing out to Pat Buchanan
or his abandoned presidential run in 1988 as a Republican (which witnessed the founding of the “Draft Trump for President" organization)
or his countless public embarrassments of failed business ventures/scams and bankruptcies

… I mean what you see that Vance‘s floundering multiple attempts of recreation of his public personas , his unpleasant obsequiousness and fawning over Trump, bitter contempt towards public and general lack of character _ none of which can be disputed
might make him seem an unlikely potential leader

and you'll be right

but

Maybe they’re just beginner’s mistakes (and stupidity) he has the nutjob billionaire backing.. and hence time
.. unfortunately time in which that the gullible MAGA faithful will ‘ learn to believe in ‘
.. be sold the Vance brand (once they figure out what that is)

I mean they’re so desperate. We’ve already seen they will accept what ever slop Fox sells them .. and hence Trump
eventually we might have ‘only Vance can fix it’.. and by fix I mean election

and yeah … that will be bad

but bad has started to lose any sense of relative meaning… so …. So i’m just depressing myself

 

[steelcobra]

But did that ‘asshole charisma‘ help him on his first ‘official‘ presidential in 2000 when he teamed up with Roger Stone to explore the chance to lead the dregs of Ross Perot’s reform party
(campaigning on international trade, eliminating the national debt, and achieving universal healthcare )
Losing out to Pat Buchanan
or his abandoned presidential run in 1988 as a Republican (which witnessed the founding of the “Draft Trump for President" organization)
or his countless public embarrassments of failed business ventures/scams and bankruptcies

… I mean what you see that Vance‘s floundering multiple attempts of recreation of his public personas , his unpleasant obsequiousness and fawning over Trump, bitter contempt towards public and general lack of character _ none of which can be disputed
might make him seem an unlikely potential leader

and you'll be right

but

Maybe they’re just beginner’s mistakes (and stupidity) he has the nutjob billionaire backing.. and hence time
.. unfortunately time in which that the gullible MAGA faithful will ‘ learn to believe in ‘
.. be sold the Vance brand (once they figure out what that is)

I mean they’re so desperate. We’ve already seen they will accept what ever slop Fox sells them .. and hence Trump
eventually we might have ‘only Vance can fix it’.. and by fix I mean election

and yeah … that will be bad

but bad has started to lose any sense of relative meaning… so …. So i’m just depressing myself

The key difference in ~2014 and on was that the Tea Party and Gamergate fused to form the Alt-Right and hijacked the right wing dominance from the Fundamentalist Evangelicals. And at that time Trump announced he was running as a Republican he happened to be the perfect asshole for the Stochastic Totalists to coalesce around and anoint as Dear Leader as he'd been leading the charge on Birtherism, the openly racist campaign claiming Obama wasn't actually an American citizen.

 

[approximate_pi]

Impeachment has been shown to be completely toothless. Trump was impeached twice and yet here is is like the turd that just won't flush. One reason he's so emboldened now is that last time he proved beyond a shadow of any doubt that the alleged checks and balances are useless.

In my comment that created this sub thread the premise was the remote but potential possibility that the dems have 2/3rds in the senate too, so it wouldnt just be impeachment it would also be removal

 

[wastrel]

Was I hallucinating, or didn't fElon promise transparency in all things DOGE? Well, their work may not be transparent, but their lies are.

 

[polbel]

I would have placed more trust in experts from DeepMind for enhancing government efficiency. DeepMind has a strong track record of using advanced AI technologies to solve intricate problems. Their seasoned professionals could offer significant improvements to our bipartisan political system through the application of rigorous, data-driven methodologies that go beyond mere cost-cutting exercises.
DeepMind's work on Generative Adversarial Networks (GANs) has led to significant breakthroughs in creating sophisticated predictive models. For example, in healthcare, these GANs can be used to model personalized treatments by simulating drug effects on virtual patients, optimizing care pathways while reducing costs. Similarly, in natural resource management, such networks can accurately predict environmental changes, aiding in informed decision-making regarding the allocation of scarce resources like water and arable land.
It would have been prudent to first simulate proposed changes within ultra-fast virtual environments, thereby minimizing real-world risks and ensuring thorough validation before implementation.
However, the current approach under Musk's leadership seems to reflect his well-known tendency for precipitous action followed by extreme compensatory measures—a pattern that often results in unnecessary disruption and waste.
Consider, for instance, the realm of space launch technologies, where Musk could have focused on developing innovations such as electric giga-rail-guns to send payloads into space instead of relying solely on traditional rockets. Utilizing solar power for such systems could bring costs down to roughly a tenth of what is currently spent on methane/oxygen rocket launches, aligning with the urgency of transitioning to sustainable energy solutions.
In conclusion, while I share the goal of improving federal government efficiency, the approach taken by Musk and his team appears to lack the strategic foresight and depth of expertise necessary to ensure that such transformative changes do not come at the expense of the stability and effectiveness of our public institutions. Adopting technologies like DeepMind's GANs could represent a more promising path to achieving these goals while preserving the integrity of the vital services upon which American citizens rely.

 

[passivesmoking]

While superficially the intention behind Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) under President Trump's administration is commendable,

Is it? Maybe the intention I see is far different from the one the regime claims.

the sweeping layoffs across federal agencies, including the Social Security Administration, raise serious concerns about the continuity and effectiveness of essential public services.

This regime doesn't give a shit about public services. The only thing they care about is stealing as much money from the national coffers as they can before the whole thing comes crashing down.

 

[steelcobra]

While superficially the intention behind Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) under President Trump's administration is commendable, the sweeping layoffs across federal agencies, including the Social Security Administration, raise serious concerns about the continuity and effectiveness of essential public services.
I would have placed more trust in experts from DeepMind for enhancing government efficiency. DeepMind has a strong track record of using advanced AI technologies to solve intricate problems. Their seasoned professionals could offer significant improvements to our bipartisan political system through the application of rigorous, data-driven methodologies that go beyond mere cost-cutting exercises.
DeepMind's work on Generative Adversarial Networks (GANs) has led to significant breakthroughs in creating sophisticated predictive models. For example, in healthcare, these GANs can be used to model personalized treatments by simulating drug effects on virtual patients, optimizing care pathways while reducing costs. Similarly, in natural resource management, such networks can accurately predict environmental changes, aiding in informed decision-making regarding the allocation of scarce resources like water and arable land.
It would have been prudent to first simulate proposed changes within ultra-fast virtual environments, thereby minimizing real-world risks and ensuring thorough validation before implementation.
However, the current approach under Musk's leadership seems to reflect his well-known tendency for precipitous action followed by extreme compensatory measures—a pattern that often results in unnecessary disruption and waste.
Consider, for instance, the realm of space launch technologies, where Musk could have focused on developing innovations such as electric giga-rail-guns to send payloads into space instead of relying solely on traditional rockets. Utilizing solar power for such systems could bring costs down to roughly a tenth of what is currently spent on methane/oxygen rocket launches, aligning with the urgency of transitioning to sustainable energy solutions.
In conclusion, while I share the goal of improving federal government efficiency, the approach taken by Musk and his team appears to lack the strategic foresight and depth of expertise necessary to ensure that such transformative changes do not come at the expense of the stability and effectiveness of our public institutions. Adopting technologies like DeepMind's GANs could represent a more promising path to achieving these goals while preserving the integrity of the vital services upon which American citizens rely.

"Superficially" it's the same crap the GOP has been doing since Reagan: destroy anything that helps average Americans so the rich can take more. Using MLAs to put Americans out of work is always evil.

 

[Madestjohn]

"Superficially" it's the same crap the GOP has been doing since Reagan: destroy anything that helps average Americans so the rich can take more. Using MLAs to put Americans out of work is always evil.

you forgot ‘blame unwed ‘welfare queens’ single mothers for violent crime, cut social services while banning abortion, and invest in prisons

 

[forkspoon]

“If you’ve got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear”