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[Cat Killer]

Thoughtful[/url]":gfjaq514]Sure. I'll stop challenging absurd claims in these forums as soon as committed and uncritical believers stop making them.

Yes, that's what I'm asking for. Thank you.

You've both said your not-even-tangentially-related-to-the-topic piece, and restated it several times each. That is sufficient.

I'm sure you'll have plenty of further opportunities in future threads.

 

[Deleted member 276317]

Thoughtful[/url]":11o2rdkv]Sure. I'll stop challenging absurd claims in these forums as soon as committed and uncritical believers stop making them.

Yes, that's what I'm asking for. Thank you.

You've both said your not-even-tangentially-related-to-the-topic piece, and restated it several times each. That is sufficient.

I'm sure you'll have plenty of further opportunities in future threads.

I don't suppose I've convinced you to retract your accusation that I feel I "have a duty to spread the Truth to anyone who will listen?"

I don't think there's any such thing as capital-tee-truth in the same way as a typical sincere religious believer. I do believe that scientific examination of reality has repeatedly demonstrated its utility at creating functionally descriptive models--it's the best mechanism humans have yet discovered to reliably expand knowledge.

I'll accept criticism that I have a number of assumptions that may deserve examination built into my approach.

 

[Goatous]

The comments on this article have been quite a rollercoaster ride. We went from bitter, off-topic political arguments, to straight up trolling, to pony posting, to JW proselytizing.

I mean, in the context of what came before it, I'll take the JW guy, but what happened to the idea of moderation around here? Even the janitors on (blue board) 4chan would have quietly started deleting the more inflammatory posts by now. Does ARS have less moderation that 4chan now?

Moderators on this site take an extreme light-touch approach to the front page. They generally won't bother getting involved unless people are very directly and bluntly insulting each other on a personal level, and this far into a thread they often ignore even that. On top of that, the report function is pretty well-buried (you have to go to the Contact Us page) and reports are often dismissed, especially this far into threads, with things like "that's what the ignore function is for". In any case, trolling is technically against the rules but typically won't get moderated unless a troll has been especially blatant for months at a time or is a sockpuppet account.

So to answer your question, yes, the better-moderated sections of 4chan are far, far better moderated than the Ars Technica comments.

.
Thank goodness for that. I wasn't exactly polite to the earlier trolls.

 

[dlux]

I'm sure you'll have plenty of further opportunities in future threads.

<Ars editors shuffle through potential topics, looking for next school-board challenge to evolution>

I'd bet on it.


Meanwhile, about your login name...

Please don't kill me, Mr. Cat Killer!

 

[Cat Killer]

Thoughtful[/url]":23v6zuxv]

Thoughtful[/url]":23v6zuxv]Sure. I'll stop challenging absurd claims in these forums as soon as committed and uncritical believers stop making them.

Yes, that's what I'm asking for. Thank you.

You've both said your not-even-tangentially-related-to-the-topic piece, and restated it several times each. That is sufficient.

I'm sure you'll have plenty of further opportunities in future threads.

I don't suppose I've convinced you to retract your accusation that I feel I "have a duty to spread the Truth to anyone who will listen?"

I don't think there's any such thing as capital-tee-truth in the same way as a typical sincere religious believer. I do believe that scientific examination of reality has repeatedly demonstrated its utility at creating functionally descriptive models--it's the best mechanism humans have yet discovered to reliably expand knowledge.

I'll accept criticism that I have a number of assumptions that may deserve examination built into my approach.

You can amend it to a small t if you like.

It's not even as if I disagree with your general position, it's just that in this context it is just noise and makes Ars Technica threads less pleasant and less useful. I admire your commitment to rationality, and I admire your passion. I really do. Sometimes, however, restraint is required for the greater good.

 

[Cat Killer]

dlux[/url]":1b9n4v83]Please don't kill me, Mr. Cat Killer!

It's Miss Cat Killer, actually. The username is there for historical reasons, and I'm not going to change it now. It has nothing to do with killing cats, who I love.

 

[Z1ggy]

Yeah it's this antiquated concept the far left is trying desperately to destroy called "free speech."

You should realize it's impossible to take you seriously if you aren't even going to acknowledge Pumpkin Spice Lex Luthor illegally trying to use his position as President to stifle the free speech of NFL players.

now now. hes not Pumpkin Spice Lex Luthor.

Hes looten plunder. get it right.

 

[Snarky Robot]

<Ars editors shuffle through potential topics, looking for next school-board challenge to evolution>

ARE YOU A WIZARD?

 

[ApplePaladin]

<Ars editors shuffle through potential topics, looking for next school-board challenge to evolution>

ARE YOU A WIZARD?

Operative Me, be reasonable! Wizard... that's just preposterous.

Clearly we're dealing with time travel.

dlux, I want lotto numbers and Super Bowl winners, stat.

 

[Onemoreline]

Do Jehovah's Witnesses insist that we know the Bible is accurate because it has made a bunch of accurate predictions?

We share that information, yes. But, we simply show that information - you can draw whatever conclusion from that - that either the bible just got lucky or that it is inspired from God.

Do Jehovah's Witnesses have a position on evolution?

Yes. In general, we believe in the fact of evolution, but not the theory that it is responsible for everything we see today.

What about the age of the Universe?

Whatever billions of years scientists say it is. Jehovah's witnesses are not creationists and do not subscribe to the young earth stuff.

I know that Jehovah's Witnesses feel they have a duty to spread the Truth to anyone who will listen. I know that Thoughtful feels they have a duty to spread the Truth to anyone who will listen.

Can we not do it here? Please?

Fair enough. I only brought it up because someone mentioned us earlier in the thread, otherwise I don't bother because yeah, obvious reasons.


Back to Lurker mode. Good day to all.

 

[Hack-n-Slash]

We share that information, yes. But, we simply show that information - you can draw whatever conclusion from that - that either the bible just got lucky or that it is inspired from God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

 

[dlux]

dlux, I want lotto numbers

ϕ and, um... 1729. Will that do?

and Super Bowl winners, stat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_S ... _champions

Honestly, though, you could have looked that up yourself.

 

[dlux]

It's Miss Cat Killer, actually. The username is there for historical reasons, and I'm not going to change it now. It has nothing to do with killing cats, who I love.

Apologies for the gender presupposition. So if you're not into killing cats, then how about chihuahuas? There's one next door that yaps at all hours and I'd get better sleep if it just disappeared.

 

[Andara]

Does ARS have less moderation that 4chan now?

On the Front Page? Yes.

I have no idea what the actual rules for the FP are these days, but most stuff is summarily ignored, and if it's past a certain number of pages, you basically have to threaten someone or post spam for it to even get looked at.

 

[Cat Killer]

dlux[/url]":31m0e7ot]

It's Miss Cat Killer, actually. The username is there for historical reasons, and I'm not going to change it now. It has nothing to do with killing cats, who I love.

Apologies for the gender presupposition.

No worries.

So if you're not into killing cats, then how about chihuahuas? There's one next door that yaps at all hours and I'd get better sleep if it just disappeared.

Guðmundsdóttir et al. describes the appropriate method for dealing with that particular issue.

 

[dlux]

if it's past a certain number of pages, you basically have to threaten someone or post spam for it to even get looked at.

Getting close to the tenth page of comments is when the goddam ponies show up, at which point intellectual discourse is only by accident.

 

[Kane2207]

if it's past a certain number of pages, you basically have to threaten someone or post spam for it to even get looked at.

Getting close to the tenth page of comments is when the goddam ponies show up, at which point intellectual discourse is only by accident.

Circling like sharks...

 

[dlux]

I warned you...

 

[Cat Killer]

dlux[/url]":3emy8vel]I warned you...

Just the cup!

 

[Deleted member 276317]

By way of elaboration, SJWs don't fight for social justice, they fight for conformity to their internal dogmas. They might believe what they're fighting for is justice, but only insomuch as Jehovah's Witnesses believe they're saving souls.

Actually Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe we save souls. That's Jesus.

Btw, I've lost count on how many people I've met that are former violent gang members, drunkards, spouse abusers, etc. You know, people we've helped improve in their lives. I guess that's not a worthwhile cause huh?

I'm generally opposed to the idea of using perpetual fantasy as a valid cure for anything.

<sigh>

For what other medical condition is the widely accepted treatment the patient's acceptance that only a "higher power" can treat the condition?

 

[dlux]

For what other medical condition is the widely accepted treatment the patient's acceptance that only a "higher power" can treat the condition?

Erotic electrostimulation.



<tepid rimshot>

 

[Cat Killer]

Thoughtful[/url]":q57k5wd4]

<sigh>

For what other medical condition is the widely accepted treatment the patient's acceptance that only a "higher power" can treat the condition?

Frankensteinism?

 

[Snarky Robot]

By way of elaboration, SJWs don't fight for social justice, they fight for conformity to their internal dogmas. They might believe what they're fighting for is justice, but only insomuch as Jehovah's Witnesses believe they're saving souls.

Actually Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe we save souls. That's Jesus.

Btw, I've lost count on how many people I've met that are former violent gang members, drunkards, spouse abusers, etc. You know, people we've helped improve in their lives. I guess that's not a worthwhile cause huh?

I'm generally opposed to the idea of using perpetual fantasy as a valid cure for anything.

<sigh>

For what other medical condition is the widely accepted treatment the patient's acceptance that only a "higher power" can treat the condition?

No need for sighing. We've had this talk. We know each others position. It was meant quite jokingly. You were in the thread, and when I saw that post, I expected your reply. Being a Firefly fan, I went with a gif of the Hero of Canton.

 

[Deleted member 276317]

By way of elaboration, SJWs don't fight for social justice, they fight for conformity to their internal dogmas. They might believe what they're fighting for is justice, but only insomuch as Jehovah's Witnesses believe they're saving souls.

Actually Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe we save souls. That's Jesus.

Btw, I've lost count on how many people I've met that are former violent gang members, drunkards, spouse abusers, etc. You know, people we've helped improve in their lives. I guess that's not a worthwhile cause huh?

I'm generally opposed to the idea of using perpetual fantasy as a valid cure for anything.

<sigh>

For what other medical condition is the widely accepted treatment the patient's acceptance that only a "higher power" can treat the condition?

No need for sighing. We've had this talk. We know each others position. It was meant quite jokingly. You were in the thread, and when I saw that post, I expected your reply. Being a Firefly fan, I went with a gif of the Hero of Canton.

I think I can understand your choice to attempt, through humor, to marginalize my concern about a specific form of broadly implemented (in the U.S.) magical thinking about healing.

It's a lot easier to do that than to admit, again, that you believe, contrary to scientific evidence, in the exact same kind of magical healing as Onemoreline.

You're fond of writing about the cowardly behavior of posters when you feel they refuse to genuinely address arguments. But there are other forms of cowardice too.

Stand up with Onemoreline and proudly insist that Yahweh or Jehovah can heal. God will love you more for it.

Or does your church have it wrong about intercessory prayer?



You'd probably prefer a pony but I actually respect your mind too much for that.

 

[cressk]

Twitter becoming completely irrelevant would be a good day

 

[dlux]

Twitter becoming completely irrelevant would be a good day

Well, I don't follow it so for all intents and purposes it already is irrelevant.

 

[Snarky Robot]

I think I can understand your choice to attempt, through humor, to marginalize my concern about a specific form of broadly implemented (in the U.S.) magical thinking about healing.

If that's what you think it was, then you didn't understand it in the slightest. It was an attempt at friendly ribbing. We know each other's positions, and while we disagree on this aspect, there is much we do agree on. I had presumed that you would be able to understand it for what it was -- an in-joke that was relevant, given our history. You took it as some attempt at...marginalizing? Because I joked that I saw your response coming? Yeesh.

You'd probably prefer a pony but I actually respect your mind too much for that.

Actually, all I really want is for you to lighten up, Francis. But since I do respect you, despite this outburst, I'll just refrain from making jokes about this. Sound fair?

 

[Deleted member 276317]

I think I can understand your choice to attempt, through humor, to marginalize my concern about a specific form of broadly implemented (in the U.S.) magical thinking about healing.

If that's what you think it was, then you didn't understand it in the slightest. It was an attempt at friendly ribbing. We know each other's positions, and while we disagree on this aspect, there is much we do agree on. I had presumed that you would be able to understand it for what it was -- an in-joke that was relevant, given our history. You took it as some attempt at...marginalizing? Because I joked that I saw your response coming? Yeesh.

You'd probably prefer a pony but I actually respect your mind too much for that.

Actually, all I really want is for you to lighten up, Francis. But since I do respect you, despite this outburst, I'll just refrain from making jokes about this. Sound fair?

You're the one that voluntarily joined an organization with a history more vile than the KKK's. If you want to joke about it, go right ahead.

 

[Hack-n-Slash]

I think I can understand your choice to attempt, through humor, to marginalize my concern about a specific form of broadly implemented (in the U.S.) magical thinking about healing.

If that's what you think it was, then you didn't understand it in the slightest. It was an attempt at friendly ribbing. We know each other's positions, and while we disagree on this aspect, there is much we do agree on. I had presumed that you would be able to understand it for what it was -- an in-joke that was relevant, given our history. You took it as some attempt at...marginalizing? Because I joked that I saw your response coming? Yeesh.

You'd probably prefer a pony but I actually respect your mind too much for that.

Actually, all I really want is for you to lighten up, Francis. But since I do respect you, despite this outburst, I'll just refrain from making jokes about this. Sound fair?

You're the one that voluntarily joined an organization with a history more vile than the KKK's. If you want to joke about it, go right ahead.

... the Bar Association?

 

[rabish12]

I think I can understand your choice to attempt, through humor, to marginalize my concern about a specific form of broadly implemented (in the U.S.) magical thinking about healing.

If that's what you think it was, then you didn't understand it in the slightest. It was an attempt at friendly ribbing. We know each other's positions, and while we disagree on this aspect, there is much we do agree on. I had presumed that you would be able to understand it for what it was -- an in-joke that was relevant, given our history. You took it as some attempt at...marginalizing? Because I joked that I saw your response coming? Yeesh.

You'd probably prefer a pony but I actually respect your mind too much for that.

Actually, all I really want is for you to lighten up, Francis. But since I do respect you, despite this outburst, I'll just refrain from making jokes about this. Sound fair?

You're the one that voluntarily joined an organization with a history more vile than the KKK's. If you want to joke about it, go right ahead.

... the Bar Association?

I mean hey, if the shoe fits...

 

[Hack-n-Slash]

I think I can understand your choice to attempt, through humor, to marginalize my concern about a specific form of broadly implemented (in the U.S.) magical thinking about healing.

If that's what you think it was, then you didn't understand it in the slightest. It was an attempt at friendly ribbing. We know each other's positions, and while we disagree on this aspect, there is much we do agree on. I had presumed that you would be able to understand it for what it was -- an in-joke that was relevant, given our history. You took it as some attempt at...marginalizing? Because I joked that I saw your response coming? Yeesh.

You'd probably prefer a pony but I actually respect your mind too much for that.

Actually, all I really want is for you to lighten up, Francis. But since I do respect you, despite this outburst, I'll just refrain from making jokes about this. Sound fair?

You're the one that voluntarily joined an organization with a history more vile than the KKK's. If you want to joke about it, go right ahead.

... the Bar Association?

I mean hey, if the shoe fits...

This is now the image I have in my head of Operative Me:

 

[chuuken]

I think I can understand your choice to attempt, through humor, to marginalize my concern about a specific form of broadly implemented (in the U.S.) magical thinking about healing.

If that's what you think it was, then you didn't understand it in the slightest. It was an attempt at friendly ribbing. We know each other's positions, and while we disagree on this aspect, there is much we do agree on. I had presumed that you would be able to understand it for what it was -- an in-joke that was relevant, given our history. You took it as some attempt at...marginalizing? Because I joked that I saw your response coming? Yeesh.

You'd probably prefer a pony but I actually respect your mind too much for that.

Actually, all I really want is for you to lighten up, Francis. But since I do respect you, despite this outburst, I'll just refrain from making jokes about this. Sound fair?

herf derf gib me attention.

... the Bar Association?

I mean hey, if the shoe fits...

This is now the image I have in my head of Operative Me:

*pony posting*

...dammit. You know that's going to stick right? Two years from now I'll see some random comment from Operative Me and that will still pop up in my mind.

 

[THavoc]

...dammit. You know that's going to stick right? Two years from now I'll see some random comment from Operative Me and that will still pop up in my mind.

And thus, a new signature is born!

Good thing Ars doesn't allow signatures.

Otherwise we'd see that damn thing on a daily basis.

 

[Snarky Robot]

You're the one that voluntarily joined an organization with a history more vile than the KKK's. If you want to joke about it, go right ahead.

We've had this conversation, and I'm bored with you re-hashing the same bilious stuff you have been preaching for a long while. At this point, you're the embodiment of a single hand clapping, as I'm not part of that debate. Respect is a commodity, and you're free to spend yours however you wish. A silly little joke seems like a strange place to spend it all, but you do what you feel best.

 

[Snarky Robot]

This is now the image I have in my head of Operative Me:

I'm....okay with this.

Equine Esquire has a nice ring to it.

 

[Hack-n-Slash]

Otherwise we'd see that damn thing on a daily basis.

"We".

Your browser isn't so smart after all, eh?

 

[THavoc]

Otherwise we'd see that damn thing on a daily basis.

"We".

Your browser isn't so smart after all, eh?

Pfft. It was a collective "we".

My browser is still smarter than you are.

 

[Deleted member 276317]

You're the one that voluntarily joined an organization with a history more vile than the KKK's. If you want to joke about it, go right ahead.

We've had this conversation, and I'm bored with you re-hashing the same bilious stuff you have been preaching for a long while. At this point, you're the embodiment of a single hand clapping, as I'm not part of that debate. Respect is a commodity, and you're free to spend yours however you wish. A silly little joke seems like a strange place to spend it all, but you do what you feel best.

Of course you're "bored" with it. I'd be "bored" too if someone kept challenging my decision to voluntarily join a group with such golden oldies as 'The Inquisition' and 'Nazi Collusion' and that continues to pump out hits like, 'Abstinence in School Sex Education,' 'Condoms are Evil,' 'Homosexuality is a Sin,' and 'Authority is for Men.'

The really funny thing is to see how little respect you allow your fellow magic-believers. Is homeopathy legitimate? Are divining rods? Astrology? The list of ridiculous beliefs that you're perfectly happy to repudiate, for some reason, does not include the Yahweh myth.

It's literally the greatest feat of compartmentalization I've ever seen. Congratulations, I guess.

Put me on ignore or expect to continue to be "bored" by me when you decide to insert your magical worldview into the conversation, or when you decide to "joke" with me about my objections to superstitious, disproven, nonsense about magic healing.

 

[ApplePaladin]

Thoughtful, it's not your message that gets played out, it's your method. Uncompromising, stubborn, and confrontational are fun traits for fictional characters like Gregory House, but not so much for real people.

 

[rabish12]

Thoughtful, it's not your message that gets played out, it's your method. Uncompromising, stubborn, and confrontational are fun traits for fictional characters like Gregory House, but not so much for real people.

Pretty much this. Even people who agree with your sentiments tend to downvote your posts and ask you to stop, because you've made it clear that your opposition to the kind of irrational magical thinking involved in religion leads you to an extreme irrational state of your own, where it is literally impossible to get you to make any concessions or acknowledge any faults in your thinking.

Nobody wants to be associated with the abrasively stupid nonsense you tend to start spewing once these discussions have gone on long enough, and everyone is tired of you taking threads miles off track at the mere mention of a religion.