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The CDC buried a measles forecast that stressed the need for vaccinations
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If you were exposed to a pathogen, getting the vaccine can prime your immune system to respond to it faster. Basically, the vaccine kicks in your immune response faster the the pathogen does. In that respect, it can be a treatment. That’s not the best use of the vaccine, though. Just a fallback use.
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Good, make these measles et. al. outbreaks as widespread and lethal as possible. The majority of deaths would be current or future MAGA enthusiasts. Sure there will be tons of collateral damage, there will be tons of children, tons of young adults with anti-vaxxer-parents who didn’t figure out they can get vaccinated themselves at 18, and adults who missed their vaccination 30 years ago out of laziness, no political reasons, and never ran into anyone with measles for many years. So again...good! All these unneeded deaths should help radicalize generations of people against MAGA. Yes it's sad that it's come to this, but the blood is ultimately on MAGA hands. I'm here for it, as my family and I are vaccinated. I'm not cold-hearted, I've just come to realize there is no reasoning with MAGA enthusiasts, so this is the next "best" way to thin the herd of science denying knuckle draggers.
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Controlled trial from 1999:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10543583/
Meta-study from 2023:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38082300/
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This criminally dangerous lunatic belongs under lock and key, not anywhere near HHS.
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For the unvaccinated, MEASLES, post-exposure prophylaxis is a thing, within 3 to 6 days of known EXPOSURE. Incubation period is up to 2 weeks.
Healthy children/adults <72hr --> MMR vaccine
Healthy child/adult Day 4-6 --> IM immune globulin
For infants, severe immuncomp, certain pregnant women --> IV or IM immune globulin (not vaccine)
For some viruses and bacteria there are post-exposure prophylaxis regimens (e.g., HIV, tetanus, rabies, Hepatitis B).
Efficacy in preventing infection (no seroconversion) and/or in reducing severity varies by pathogen and by regimen.
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FSTargetDrone
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Every country should simply refuse entry to any American who can’t show proof of vaccination or proof they have a legitimate medical reason to not be vaccinated.
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Anyone else get the feeling if H5N1 becomes able to easily pass person to person - that this administration and this CDC top leadership - might just suppress and sit on that information for as long as possible?
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Two small 25 year old studies? One low quality. You could have found better.There is data that says otherwise.
This has been studied to death, every which way - massive prospective trials, case control trials, metaanalyses. The broadly held consensus is ..
Don't be like the ivermectin lovers that whip out a couple of tiny studies or preprints.
Check out the Cochrane review - or any of the several well done meta-analyses.
This one might help you feel better.
Enjoy your Vitamin C. Make sure to buy the most expensive brand. It won't hurt you. Unlike slurping down lots of cod liver oil.
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Most Americans traveling internationally aren't going to be the ones who thinks getting a disease is preferable to being vaccinated for a disease. The anti-vaxxers are typically the type that barely ever leaves their zip code
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I wonder if we’ll end up calling it “the American virus” (similar to Covid’s label among the MAGAs in the early days)
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You didn’t even bother to read the handful of words I wrote, let alone look at the links, so why should anyone listen to you? It’s hardly a controversial point, so I’m stunned at what you think you’re doing.
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So, you have the meta-study that says it doesn't do anything? I'm not a vitamin C guy, but I'm always looking for something to help with a cold. Are the listed studies wrong?
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Because Wikipedia is THE place to go for proper medical advice.
Good heavens. We really are doomed.
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(Context: Chuckstar on an earlier page asserted that Vitamin C was good therapy for preventing viruses such as measles and their statement was questioned by others. Chuckstar replied by citing references to articles about vitamin C and the common cold.)
The first ”study” is from a chiropractic journal. Try not to laugh when you read the methods section.
The second is a Cochrane meta analyses that that may have found a tiny association between vitamin C consumption and a very brief shortening of the duration of the “cold” (where the illness was very subjectivity defined). Cochrane is generally well-respected but is known for allowing reports that find no association or marginal associations for studies on interesting or controversial topics. I believe that it is a good thing to publish negative findings (or marginal findings) but we must allow for unsophisticated people touting marginal results as though they are meaningful.
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Por que no los dos? Putin and friends provide election support, help radicalize the base, support all their interests, and probably compromise a bunch along the way. They’re corrupt or corrupted. It’s the same difference.
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It the Trump administration jealous of COVID originating in China? Are they trying to get the next global pandemic to be USA born-and-bred?
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So you are willing for the innocents to die, since there will be a lot of those?
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From the meta-study results
"The direct comparison of the effect of vitamin C on mild and severe symptoms was limited to five comparisons which found that vitamin C had a significant benefit on the duration of severe symptoms."
The other guy is saying that Vitamin C is super well studied and it doesn't have any effects, so I assume he can cite a meta-study for that
I'm hoping someone can clarify i.e. is mega-dosing on Vitamin C useful when I have a severe cold or is it a waste of time (placebo effect aside of course)?
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There may be a small gap in your medical knowledge about MMR vaccinations. “Vaccination within three days of exposure to the virus can help prevent infection or lessen the severity”. If more time than that has passed, vaccination cannot be effective for even lessening the severity.
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It may be that if you get in contact with measles at 8:00am in the morning, then get a vaccination at 9:00am (which you had planned anyway and catching the illness an hour later was incredible coincidence), that it helps. But measles takes a while to show symptoms. If you get a vaccination 5 minutes after you feel symptoms, that will be too late.
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There are an amazing number of people who prefer open upper story windows in such a cold environment.
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Taken soon enough, vaccines help reduce the chance of infection, they are not a cure for the infection.
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You've just described immune amnesia. They've got that covered already.
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(This is an off-topic discussion that was started by Chuckstar expressing the wonderfulness of Vitamin C for colds and nothing about measles. Here they criticize someone else who dared to question the value of vitamin C for colds and the quality of the cited articles. I read the articles and some of the articles referenced in the meta-analysis.)You didn’t even bother to read the handful of words I wrote, let alone look at the links, so why should anyone listen to you? It’s hardly a controversial point, so I’m stunned at what you think you’re doing.
Did you even read your own cites beyond the abstracts? Did you look at the confidence intervals presented in the Cochrane report? I don’t know your education and experience but even a masters-level basic epidemiology or statistics course should prepare you for understanding that the Gorton and Jarvis study is at best silly. The Cochrane report does everything but say in the conclusions section that the findings are a nothing-burger. In a couple of the referenced studies (but not in the tables or figures) vitamin C could have actually slightly prolonged the duration of the cold. Given that most journals will not accept a report with negative or non-significant findings , the presence of a few articles with slightly positive results in a meta-analysis is not something to celebrate.
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So, Vitamin C doesn't help with cold symptoms then. Cool. Thanks
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According to Wikipedia: High Vitamin C doses up to 3,000mg are not properly absorbed by the body, so no effect different to a much more reasonable smaller dose. Daily doses over 3,000mg can very well be harmful. Similar with Vitamin
One pack of 400 tablets of maximum strength costs less than £8 at amazon and lasts for 400 days = 13 months. A ten times overdose for a month is about £6, clearly affordable. In the UK, many people do this, and there have been health problems up to death.
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Given the choice between Wikipedia and the US government, I'll pick Wikipedia every day. And if you pick Wikipedia, you'll live healthier.
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Froot Loops? He claims to be an expert on those, despite his facts being ridiculously wrong.
https://www.newsweek.com/was-rfk-jr-right-froot-loops-unhealthier-1986561
And I forgot to mention that he wants all chemicals removed from drinking water! Which would include chlorine, fluoride, and even water. “Municipal water supplies often have chemicals like chlorine or chloramine added as disinfectants to kill harmful germs, and fluoride may be included to help prevent tooth decay. These additives are regulated to ensure they remain at safe levels for public health.”
No mention of eating worm infected road kill, so the above quote is obviously just fake news. /S
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I'd like to say much more, but I will not risk the certainty of retaliation against someone dear to me.
This is what my beloved country has come to.
This is what my beloved country has come to.
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Although, as anything in the actual physical world transpires, it won't go as they planned.
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According to Wikipedia: High Vitamin C doses up to 3,000mg are not properly absorbed by the body, so no effect different to a much more reasonable smaller dose. Daily doses over 3,000mg can very well be harmful. Similar with Vitamin
Upvoted because I enjoyed the "Vitamin
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It's already happening. Hospitals in Texas are seeing some patients (children) coming in with liver damage due to Vitamin A toxicity (due to high doses). Dumdums believe is a little is good, a lot should be better.
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Not a chance, since “COVID is just like the flue, and it will disappear like magic in a few days”. /S
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