<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR><BR>CW for the Mac is absolutely the best IDE around, bar none. It is rock-solid, stable, has a great interface, and is generally just a well-behaved program. I haven't used it for the PC except in passing, so I can't really comment on that version, though I have trouble believing that all of your various problems are CW's fault.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>explain how screwing up <BR>#include <iostream.h><P>using namespace std //whatever this damn line is that i detest royally<P>void main(void)<BR>{<BR>cout << "hello world" << endl;<BR>}<P>isnt the fault of CW ?<P>this is a college where there are many many students and several faculty members who cannot track down ANY problems with the code ESPECIALLY with the error messages CW spits back. take it to a different machine and chances are good it will compile just fine. use a different compiler and all is well. go back to the machine that was giving you fits sometime later and it will compile fine. (all without altering any source)<P>sorry but CW is one of the few pieces of software that really irks me<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR><BR>it's stupid to try to compare them cross-platform, but you have got to be kidding me! VS has one of the most unintuitive, confusing interfaces I've ever seen. <BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>i didnt find vc all that difficult. and if IIRC john carmack likes it too (and he should be a decent judge of IDE's i would think)