You don't need persistent long term memory of past events to be conscious.So there's something to this
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Interesting theory. I have a few "memories" from before I was four, but they all feel vague and dream-like. They more like memories of memories, which is exactly what I think they are. I believe that my infantile amnesia really affects memories before I was about 4.5 years old, because I have much more vivid memories of my brother as an older baby / early toddler than as an infant, and I had just turned four when he was born.At age 73 I have three very distinct memories from early childhood, one from around age 2, and the other two from 2 yrs and 5 mos (I can date those two very accurately). I can see each of them in my mind's eye as if it was the present. Two weren't traumatic at all, and one was more a case of apprehension than significant trauma (if anyone wants, I'll recount them).
As for "Infantile Amnesia", I think it is more likely that because young children don't have a "filing system" that allows them to access memories.
First, many don't have much language, so they can't internally describe what it is they are experiencing. It is hard to distinguish between an abundance of happy experiences, an abundance of hungry experiences, etc.
Second, very few young children have a useful concept or grasp of time. Yesterday is no more reachable in their memory as two weeks ago is or six months ago because time has little meaning. The world for a young child is perpetually "are we there yet". As a parent you now there's no difference between "a little while", "an hour", or "tomorrow". It's all the same to a young child.
My opinion is that only when children develop more than rudimentary language and a sense of time are they able to "file" or "organize" their memories such that they can access them.
A good test might be to ask people when did they learn to speak, and then read, and compare that with how far back their earliest memories are.
Those early memories? They're there, in random locations, and in many cases indistinguishable one from the other.
I can't say I know anyone who has "heaps" of memories from before the age of four, but I definitely have a handful that date to being two or three years old."But nobody really remembers much before the age of 4, because nearly all humans experience what's termed "infantile amnesia," in which memories that might have formed before that age seemingly vanish as we move through adolescence."
Nobody is a strong word, I have heaps of memories from below 3.5 years, and I know heaps of people with memories from that age too.
I was thinking of exactly that reference (Mary Poppins, Ch.9 John and Barbara's Story.)This reminds me of a story in an early Mary Poppins book. It’s about two toddlers, who can understand the language of birds and trees - all toddlers can. But the skill goes away as they grow older.
I googled for the passage from the book:
“We understand everything,” said John. “Wind and trees and stars and birds and the language of the sun. Why, we can even hear the grass growing.”
“But they won’t always understand, will they?” said the Starling.
“No,” said Mary Poppins, “they’ll forget, just as all the others have. It’s the same with them all. Even the cleverest forget. They’ll forget because they’re growing older. And when they’ve forgotten, they’ll be like everyone else. No use to themselves or to anyone else.”
Probably something Freudian...I wonder what the evolutionary advantage of infantile amnesia is, if there is one.
Evolutionary psychiatry is often about as valid as Freud, by which I mean "not very", so I suppose it's an apt comparison.Probably something Freudian...
From a layman's perspective, I'm happy not remembering breast feeding my mom, and I'd rather keep it that way. My therapy sessions are already weird enough.Evolutionary psychiatry is often about as valid as Freud, by which I mean "not very", so I suppose it's an apt comparison.
I know it's not what you meant, but the grammatical structure of how you said it did give me a rather ridiculous image in my head, thank you.From a layman's perspective, I'm happy not remembering breast feeding my mom, and I'd rather keep it that way. My therapy sessions are already weird enough.
HA! Yeah, it was pretty late. Guess it really messes with the whole "they take care of us until we take care of them" thing, lolI know it's not what you meant, but the grammatical structure of how you said it did give me a rather ridiculous image in my head, thank you.