Framework gives its 13-inch Laptop another boost with Ryzen AI 300 CPU update
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Curious why you didn’t do what I did and try out the many Linux options.
I mean I have a MBP but then I am a 2 laptop guy.
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In truth, Fedora in particular works great. Living with Linux began for me as a 60 day challenge. I may never go back.
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Not sure if serious or just mocking this nonsense.
If serious, look into dollar store glitter and glue.
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Yeah seconded. I have the prior generation Ryzen, and it's very quiet. The fans rarely spin up to be meaningfully loud. Every so often if I've got a lot going on, they'll spin up very briefly; it's almost like the laptop huffs at me for asking it to do a lot.
If your 7840U FW 13 is quiet, you must not ever use it for video playback. 10 minutes on Youtube video and the thing screams at me.
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dammit, figures they'd come out with this ~2 months after I bought the previous-gen Ryzen 13" for my wife for the holidays.
But! Unlike every other laptop manufacturer, we could replace her motherboard and she'd have basically the new laptop... and I could put the "old" board into an external case and use it for something else (media PC or something...)
But! Unlike every other laptop manufacturer, we could replace her motherboard and she'd have basically the new laptop... and I could put the "old" board into an external case and use it for something else (media PC or something...)
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My wife watches a lot of Facebook reels and I think some youtube, and I rarely hear hers get going during video playback, but that's with Windows 11 and I assume fairly optimized drivers. I have no idea how good or bad Linux is in comparison...?
I do know first-hand how loud it can be, I set the machine up from scratch (it was a DIY edition) and was a bit astonished at "full hairdryer mode". About the only time I've ever heard it go nuts is Windows Updates, or if she fires up a Steam game.
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Mine is super quiet, and the battery life is fine for me, although I haven’t measured it. But, I have an AMD laptop, not Intel. Also, Ubuntu 22.04, not Windows. The reason 22.04 and not 24.04 is that is the version which had fixes from Framework. It’s possible those fixes have been moved into 24.04, but I haven’t looked since everything works great, and I don’t want to risk an upgrade.
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Can I ask what the real-world usage case is for the slight increase in speed of soldered RAM? It seems so marginal, I can't imagine where it would be useful. And in exchange for this slight speed boost, you lose the ability to upgrade for life, and turn your laptop into a disposable item ... why would anyone want this?
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Yep. Even after 15 years of using touchscreen smartphones every day, I've never once wanted to touch my laptop screen.
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That Main PCB/logic board (depending on where you're from, technically speaking) with its heatpipe/cooling system is a thing of exquisite beauty to anyone with an engineering mindset.
The compute/storage/design in that little board. Holy shit.
The compute/storage/design in that little board. Holy shit.
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I definitely appreciate this comment, but am aware that "fun" for some is "ridiculous and juvenile" for others.
Gaming laptops are a good example - plenty of room for self expression given the RGB bling available with many of them, and while some love that, others loathe it.
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As someone who used to heavily prioritize battery life in laptop decisions, but bought a first batch Framework anyway, I have to say that for me personally, it hasn't been that bad. Part of that is my use case has changed, I don't travel as much as I used to and I work primarily from home. But the other part is diminishing returns from extra battery life, it wasn't that long ago that the 5 hours+ I get from my FW was exceptional for a laptop, and I find that even using my laptop on battery a lot, that I'm not inconvenienced much when I have to charge it. Obviously YMMV depending on what you're using it for, but personally it hasn't been an issue.
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I'll probably look to upgrade my 11th gen Intel processor in the next year or so, and while I'd like to go AMD, that also means upgrading all of my memory, so I will probably stick with Intel.
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The speed difference isn't really that significant. People are buying into this "soldered RAN is soooooo much faster" nonsense ever since the M1 Macs dropped. They also think the memory is on die (it absolutely isn't, that would add at least another zero to price of MacBooks), and that for some reason it's equivalent to twice as much memory on Intel Macs. It's all bogus.
It is hard to run memory at higher and higher clocks. Recently, DDR5 has added basically a clock redriver on DIMMs to help with the timing complexities. And the CAMM standard is meant to help with reducing trace length and complexity, particularly in laptops, to help support higher clocks.
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Anything you upgrade to is going to require DDR5, unless you upgrade to something still within 11th gen Intel, which would be a rather minor upgrade.
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It looks like I could upgrade to the 13th gen and still use my existing DDR4?
The biggest reason for the upgrade is that I botched a repair last year and seemed to do some damage to the mainboard (there was smoke!) It's continued to work, but there has been some occasional glitching that could have been caused by that. Figured an upgrade at the same time would be nice, although not really needed. The speed of my laptop hasn't been an issue so far.
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Sure, but there are some people for whom this is intuitive. My wife is always trying to touch my laptop screen or desktop monitor. It drives me batshit crazy, but it's how she's used to interacting with things.
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I've gone in the opposite direction: give me all the battery life. It's so refreshing closing my Air, waking it up a few days later, and it still has ~20 hours in the hopper. It's amazing being able to take it around the house, to friends places, etc. and being able to have full performance on battery, and then use any dinky 20 W phone charger to top-up.
I know MacBooks are gratuitously wasteful from a repairability perspective, but man they're amazing for power efficiency. If speced right, you really don't even need to think about upgrading for a long ass time too. My wife replaced her i5-era MacBook Pro with a refurbished 16 GB M1 and that thing is still snappy today.
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My next non company-issued laptop will be Framework.
Heck, if they made a printer, it would be the most no-brainer purchase I ever made.
Heck, if they made a printer, it would be the most no-brainer purchase I ever made.
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Reach out to Frameworks customer service - I found myself in a similar spot, bought a 13 just ahead of the latest update and I got some money back.
The worst you can hear is "no". I'd have gladly taken credit, but they refunded.
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I really have never noticed that. I'm not trying to Fanboy FW; they're not perfect, but overzealous fan noise has just never come up for me. I wonder if there's not some driver issue in particular on yours that's forcing software decoding of high-bitrate streams. Are you Linux or Windows?
The only time Jet Engine Mode engaged, I was Facetiming (via a browser) and had it sitting on a hotel comforter. I didn't appreciate that it was blocking the entire inlet region. I picked it up once the fans reached top speed, and the thing was cooking. But, that really was my fault.
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Turns out you nailed it, Edge (which I currently use) is forcing VP9 which seems to be using software decode. Chrome is using AV1 with hardware decode.
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ok but Linux is ugly as hell and so is all the software that looks like it was made in 2005. Functions like it too.
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