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Civilization VII review: A major overhaul solves Civ’s oldest problems
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Is this limited to certain naval units, or are all of them able to go up and down rivers? Having an aircraft carrier or battleship heading up a river might get a bit broken, not to mention that many historically have way too deep of a draft to safely navigate inland waterways.
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So a grab-bag of good ideas from Humankind... This is honestly the first Civ game in quite a while I'm interested to try. I will miss the awesome map from Humankind though.
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I am a very jealous gamer trying to min/max my gcal for 500 hours a year.
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I would like some more on that topic too. If would be cool if there were different sizes for rivers. There are rivers that can host some pretty big ships (not aircraft carriers maybe) and having some boats being able to go up or down some rivers but not all of them and some boats being able to go up all rivers would be pretty cool.
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A good month for gaming. New Civilization, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 is out on the 4th, and the Pillars of Eternity RPG Avowed is coming out I think the 18th. And I’ll be on vacation next week. Feels like the planets have aligned or something.
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The game looks real good, but am I getting old or are those screenshots way too busy? (Prob the former!)
For now I'll stick with Civ III on my Blue and White G3.
For now I'll stick with Civ III on my Blue and White G3.
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Since it is launching with Denuvo I'm just skipping for now.
That said, Civ lost a lot of its magic (for me) around the time cities stopped asking you to name them during founding. This version seems to double down on the boardgameyness of optimization in ways that I find push away from what I loved about Civ. It all sounds more like playing a complex Euro game and less like a simulation/building feel.
Full disclosure my relationship with Civ is much like the author's, save I started with the original when I was quite little.
That said, Civ lost a lot of its magic (for me) around the time cities stopped asking you to name them during founding. This version seems to double down on the boardgameyness of optimization in ways that I find push away from what I loved about Civ. It all sounds more like playing a complex Euro game and less like a simulation/building feel.
Full disclosure my relationship with Civ is much like the author's, save I started with the original when I was quite little.
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Next thing you know, you won't be able to name your own religion! How will I spread the good word of Scientology 3: Theaten Boogaloo now?
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Albino_Boo
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I think it was Civ Call to power 1 or 2 that had public works instead of builders. So not entirely new, depending on your view of the canonicity of the Call to power games
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I'll be passing on this for a long while. Old World is giving me the 'just one more turn' effect that no conventional civ-like has done in years.
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What is the performance like? Denuvo usually means that performance is spotty at best, which is why I'm asking.
It is worth pointing out that Civilization Revolution also came out on the Nintendo DS and eventually on iOS, and it is a much better game on those platforms. On the Switch you can use the stylus as an ersatz mouse, and on the iPhone you can of course use touch. On those, CivRev plays a lot like the original Civ, except with far fewer units. Unfortunately 2K decided to unpublish the original CivRev on iOS and replace it with the much worse CivRev 2, but I do on occasion play my copy on the DS.
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The biggest change I want is that movement of units across long distances becomes less tedious, especially in the later game. The fact that it could literally take DECADES to move a battalion of tanks to the distant front line in some games was not only tedious but immersion-breaking. (There have been half-hearted attempts to correct this, but none were really satisfying).
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I suspect this game won't really be for me. That's ok - not every game has to be for me! - but the changes here sound like they've taken away the heart and soul of the fantasy for me. This sounds like a polished game - but it doesn't sound like Civ to me.
As a note, I've played a couple games of Humankind and my takeaway was that some of its ideas were interesting but extraordinarily difficult to execute well, and some of its ideas were just bad. Since Civ VII seems to be cribbing entire gameplay concepts from Humankind, that's a big red flag for me.
Lastly, not to be too preachy, but the entire idea of the three big ages (Antiquity, Exploration, Modern) seems incredibly Euro-centric. Sure the ages in VI were also mostly centered on traditional European framing of slicing history but at least it was granular enough you could map them onto something more sensible for a non-western-European culture. Seems like a limiting way to mechanically structure the game, and again it impinges on the fantasy for me.
As a note, I've played a couple games of Humankind and my takeaway was that some of its ideas were interesting but extraordinarily difficult to execute well, and some of its ideas were just bad. Since Civ VII seems to be cribbing entire gameplay concepts from Humankind, that's a big red flag for me.
Lastly, not to be too preachy, but the entire idea of the three big ages (Antiquity, Exploration, Modern) seems incredibly Euro-centric. Sure the ages in VI were also mostly centered on traditional European framing of slicing history but at least it was granular enough you could map them onto something more sensible for a non-western-European culture. Seems like a limiting way to mechanically structure the game, and again it impinges on the fantasy for me.
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V had special gameplay for Venice where you could "buy" cities. IV had vassals, so you could turn a smaller civ into a vassal, but it didn't have city states so it had to be a regular "major" civ. Some of the older games let you spend gold to "buy" cities with spies or diplomats, but it was an unbalanced strat and they haven't allowed that since... II?
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Jeckyl not Hyde
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24 hours a day for 208.3 days per year or 15 hours a day for 333.3 days of the year - what's strange about that?
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I'm intrigued at the new design decisions, but not intrigued enough to pay what they're asking for it (especially with several dlc already announced).
Old World is still fulfilling my 4X needs, and they even announced they're releasing a new DLC soon.
Old World is still fulfilling my 4X needs, and they even announced they're releasing a new DLC soon.
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Being unable to name or even rename cities removes some of the personality of the game, meanwhile giving me malleable civilizations that make them all seem out of place...This is a pass for me.
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Sigh, so I will not be able to deploy my armour units against those pesky knights (on the other hand the sting of two barbarian knights somehow defeating my jet fighter is still here, even several Civ's later)
Frankly, while Civ is great in all incarnations, I still secretly hope for rebirth of Alpha Centauri...
Frankly, while Civ is great in all incarnations, I still secretly hope for rebirth of Alpha Centauri...
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5,000 / 365 = 13.7 hours a day.
Wow indeed. I suspect we were not supposed to take this literally.
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Jeckyl not Hyde
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Probably just forgot the formatting, mega-hours not giga-hours... Hr's vs HR's - capitalisation always gets you!
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I've told these writers 14,000 times a year to stop exaggerating.
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From what I've seen, there are different types of rivers. Some are designated as navigable, and others are not.
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I've had that reaction to screenshots of games for fifteen years or more now. I've found when you see the games in motion on a big screen, the business doesn't distract so much: how the game is actually played informs what you need to focus on, something you don't get from simple screenshots.
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The DLC plans for this one are obvious and gross (no Ghandi, no UK, etc). Gonna wait for a bundle after the inevitable expansion pack.
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Alpha Centauri is in my top 10 of all time favorite games, in the same leagues as Tie Fighter (Love the modern Tie Fighter Total Conversion project - every fan should check it out), Civ2, Duke Nukem 3D, Warcraft/Starcraft/Wow, and such. The ability to custom design your attack/defense/civilian units from all sorts of different technology advances was exceptionally fun and wish it would be in the modern day Civ games
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There are two types of rivers: regular rivers which just act as a water source, and Navigable Rivers which units can move through. Any unit that can Embark can travel up a Navigable river, but regular rivers are only passable by regular land units (and impose a movement restriction to cross). It's easy to see which is which, regular rivers are very thin, while Navigable ones take up most of a hex.
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This was brought up in a recent livestream with the devs, it's something they're wanting to add soon after launch. They were focused on getting the gameplay nailed down for launch, so this is something they were waiting to do until after.
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