🦄 The Casual 2024 Presidential Election

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Is Oprah still relevant, I really could care less what a multibillionaire who is far away up in the sky from the real-world thinks. She has no idea what cost of living is or the struggle working class deals with. Jeeves just brings her groceries into her 20K Wolf refrigerator like the Keebler elves. She has no concept of what is going on out there.
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The one thing you will note is that King is just insinuating that past votes have been wrong, neither she, nor any Trump loving swine, have any actual evidence that the previous vote was wrong in any meaningful way. So they always hold up the shibboleth that "we can be better" when there is zero evidence that they can be better, or that they need to be better.

That's the same premise as "make america great again."
 
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Is Oprah still relevant, I really could care less what a multibillionaire who is far away up in the sky from the real-world thinks. She has no idea what cost of living is or the struggle working class deals with. Jeeves just brings her groceries into her 20K Wolf refrigerator like the Keebler elves. She has no concept of what is going on out there.
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Are you describing Oprah or Trump?
 
Is Oprah still relevant, I really could care less what a multibillionaire who is far away up in the sky from the real-world thinks. She has no idea what cost of living is or the struggle working class deals with. Jeeves just brings her groceries into her 20K Wolf refrigerator like the Keebler elves. She has no concept of what is going on out there.
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I think lots of people like her.

Personally, she had too many real weirdos in her orbit (dr Phil, dr oz) for me. But that’s a detail that lots of folks don’t seem to care about. 🤷‍♂️
 

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I know there are groups of lawyer types out there that prep in advance of elections to deal with shenanigans. Both for challenging illegal restrictions of voters, as well as to defend against spurious legal challenges of results.
In the New York Times, Alan Feuer writes about a new "Project 65," a group that is putting ads in the legal publications in swing states warning lawyers not to put their licenses to practice on the line by supporting fraud:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/19/...e_code=1.ME4._YMm.nob3zhjenfYj&smid=url-share
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Now, one of these groups — the 65 Project — is taking a more proactive approach. Starting on Thursday, the group’s organizers are planning to run advertisements in legal journals published in swing states, reminding lawyers that they are ethically barred from bringing false claims on behalf of any client.
“Don’t risk your law license by joining an effort to subvert democracy,” one of the ads says. “We — and the public — are watching.”

The ads, which are initially set to appear in both print and online in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, will be coming out just as Republicans and Democrats alike are gearing up for what could be an exceptionally bitter legal fight over the election.
 
There absolutely are. I'd wager enough to cause her to lose the election if she pisses them off enough. Largely older, more centrist Democrats and "limousine liberal" types who aren't engaged with the nuance of the situation and just figure support for Israel at all costs is the right thing to do.
No question. Jews have the highest turnout rate of any ethnic group in the US, and overwhelmingly vote D (68% for Biden vs. 28% for Trump)
Also, an outsized % of the donations to the D Partly (in 2016, it was 50%, despite Jews only being 2-2.5% of the population).
Angering Jews could very well cost Harris the election.
 

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No question. Jews have the highest turnout rate of any ethnic group in the US, and overwhelmingly vote D (68% for Biden vs. 28% for Trump)
Also, an outsized % of the donations to the D Partly (in 2016, it was 50%, despite Jews only being 2-2.5% of the population).
Angering Jews could very well cost Harris the election.

I should probably specify that the folks I was referring to weren't specifically Jewish people, or even possibly a majority of Jewish Democratic voters. Plenty of non-Jews simply see support for Israel as a moral imperative, and assume those who don't support Israel's actions are doing so for antisemitic reasons. Because why wouldn't you want to support Israel! Haven't these people historically suffered enough, and they are constantly under attack from all sides!

It's another failure to separate Jewish people as a whole from the actions of the IDF/Netanyahu, or the Palestinan people from Hamas. And it's not like you're going to get people to understand this distinction in time for the election no matter how hard you try.
 
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Interesting economic and environmental news...

NBC - Led by the South, clean energy sector added more than 150,000 jobs last year

The report, released Tuesday by the nonpartisan business group E2, found an uptick in employment in the clean energy industry in 2023, fueled by the Inflation Reduction Act. The sweeping 2022 law included hundreds of billions of dollars to spur emissions cuts and help the U.S. economy transition away from fossil fuels to fight climate change.

Clean energy and clean vehicle companies added nearly 150,000 new jobs in 2023, the first full year of the Inflation Reduction Act, the report found. Of that total, the South added more than 54,000 clean energy jobs, accounting for 36% of all new jobs in the region.
The findings suggest that Southern states, where Republicans traditionally have a political stronghold, are benefitting from the IRA, even though Republicans in the House and Senate unanimously opposed the bill.

The report found that Alabama, Kentucky and Oklahoma were among the states with the fastest growth in clean energy jobs, based on percentage increases.

Not that this is going to change the opinions of those critical of Biden's handling of the economy, or green energy jobs, or government...
 

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Three minute youtube just dropped with Walz, Scout, Scout, and a light tax cuts discussion.


Absolutely speaks to the middle of the road midwest and southern voter that can maybe, just maybe, begin to relate to someone more in line with their own lives than a silver-spoon self-professed billionaire.
 

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So, you're asking questions about the validity of past elections? What are you insinuating exactly?

No.

I'm continuing to call the presidential election rigged until the EC is abolished and 1 adult 1 vote is implemented.
 

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Three minute youtube just dropped with Walz, Scout, Scout, and a light tax cuts discussion.


I gotta say, it really does my heart good to see Democrats putting salt of the earth politicians on their ticket. This is absolute gold and it’s long overdue.
 

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Does that means Senate is winnable now, or it is still a tall order?
It's currently, including Dem Voting Independents, 51-49. WV is a -1 for Dems with Manchin retiring. If everything else holds party, it's a 50-50 tie. That's a really tough line with close races in Montana and Ohio.

A Real surprise would Allred beating Ted Cruz in Texas or Debbie Mucarsel-Powell beating Tim Scott in Florida.

I really hope they could find some time to get Tim Walz to a Tester Rally in Montana. I think he could do well there with the "Mind your own damn business" campaign.
 
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We can stop giving Barron Trump the benefit of the doubt on whether he's following in his father's footsteps or not. Barron is the head of Trump's latest NFT/cryptocurrency scam.
Barron has reportedly been largely responsible for his dad's social media campaigning. The reason Trump went on a right-wing podcast grifter tour to be interviewed by the likes of Adin Ross and Logan Paul is that Barron is a fan of theirs. And that's really all you need to know about him.
 

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Barron has reportedly been largely responsible for his dad's social media campaigning. The reason Trump went on a right-wing podcast grifter tour to be interviewed by the likes of Adin Ross and Logan Paul is that Barron is a fan of theirs. And that's really all you need to know about him.
That right there says what’s essential about Trump’s decision making. It’s now a tight election—and would need people who know what they’re doing in critical positions. Like with Laura Loomer, he’s go no one but himself to blame for this.
 
Well, the Georgia Election Board is wasting no time tipping their hand. All ballots in the state must be counted by hand, all inconsistencies (such as between tabulators and hand-counts) must be resolved, and counties with large populations that can't complete this process by the certification deadline... this space left intentionally blank.

What that would mean in practical terms is that only counties with smaller populations have any chance of certification. Counties with larger populations will not be able to certify their vote totals. Hand counts, while not necessarily biased, are generally less accurate than machine tabulation, so the more ballots you count by hand, the more inconsistencies you're going to create.

This is pretty clearly unconstitutional, and Georgia's Attorney General advised them as much. However, there's a nonzero chance the Georgia Supreme Court could allow this, if only by waiting until after the election to declare it unconstitutional.

Yet another reason Harris needs to run the table. Winning by a single state may not be enough.
 

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Barron has reportedly been largely responsible for his dad's social media campaigning. The reason Trump went on a right-wing podcast grifter tour to be interviewed by the likes of Adin Ross and Logan Paul is that Barron is a fan of theirs. And that's really all you need to know about him.

He’s a kid whose dad is Donald Trump, his two uncles are Donald Jr and Eric Trump, and his aunt’s husband is Jared Kushner. I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin was his proxy godfather. The kid had no chance without a good male role model in his life. I have no idea who Adin Ross is but if the worst Barron Trump can do is Logan Paul he might have a chance to get away from the toxicity of his family.
 

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Uncovered forum posts by Tim Walz could shake up race
A forensic analysis of comments on HotOrNotDish.net.
CNN and ProPublica found that Democratic vice-presidential nominee Tim Walz is the owner of an active account on the website HotOrNotDish.net, where he posts under the anonymous username DarthTater, according to an investigative analysis of comments on the forum. The user DarthTater has for more than a decade offered compliments (sometimes accompanied by a flame emoji) under every single photo uploaded to the site for hot dish appreciators.

The account also mentioned the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. in one post, in which it wished other HotOrNotDish.net users a “happy MLK weekend!” and hoped they would get to “spend it with family, eating hot dish.”
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Update: The website HotOrNotDish.net did not actually exist at the time of publication but has since been set up by an anonymous hot-dish fan to redirect users to Vice President Kamala Harris’s campaign website after first showering them with Tater Tots. The Post is not responsible for the website — not even, alas, the tots.

(Alexandra Petri column at WaPo.)
 

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He’s a kid whose dad is Donald Trump, his two uncles are Donald Jr and Eric Trump, and his aunt’s husband is Jared Kushner. I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin was his proxy godfather. The kid had no chance without a good male role model in his life. I have no idea who Adin Ross is but if the worst Barron Trump can do is Logan Paul he might have a chance to get away from the toxicity of his family.

Was Adin Ross the chair sniffer or am I thinking of someone else?
 

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This is where AI art tools come in handy especially because “Darth Tater” is such a good pun.
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Done with Bing and DALL-E 3. Which unintentionally does give a Tim Walz vibe but in all the good ways.

“Vance, I am not your father but you clearly needed one growing up. Give me your hand.. ah ha ha ha… sorry Star Wars call back back… and let’s try to find kindness inside of you. You’re only an ‘e’ and an ‘i’ from being a Jedi!”
 

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If he loses the Jews are at fault. How is that not antisemitic? 10s of millions of other voters will likely vote against Trump, but Trump singles out Jews. What about the portion of whites that don’t support Trump? There’s far more of them than Jews, so why blame Jews?
Because he blames everyone that didn't vote for him. He was talking to a Jewish audience at point. He'd have said that stupid shit to women, to Californians, to anyone who polls underwater for him. His ego is really fucking fragile.

He says racist and bigoted shit all the time that's hard to explain away. I just don't think this is one of those times.
 

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Is Oprah still relevant, I really could care less what a multibillionaire who is far away up in the sky from the real-world thinks. She has no idea what cost of living is or the struggle working class deals with. Jeeves just brings her groceries into her 20K Wolf refrigerator like the Keebler elves. She has no concept of what is going on out there.
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She's probably around as relevant as Taylor Swift, for generally the same reasons, though probably for different demographics.
 
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Maggie Haberman complains about criticisms of media coverage of Trump not from the usual Republican attacks on the "lame stream media" but from "the left."

She denies that the NY Times and other media have normalized Trump's divisive and often racist rhetoric.

HABERMAN: I think that the media does a very good job covering Trump. There are always going to be specific stories that could have been better, should have been better, that are written on deadline, and people are not being as precise as they should be. I think there is an industry, bluntly, Dave, that is dedicated toward attacking the media, especially as it relates to covering Donald Trump and all coverage of Trump. And I think that Trump is a really difficult figure to cover because he challenges news media process every day, has for years. The systems are just fundamentally - they were not built to deal with somebody who says things that are not true as often as he does or speaks as incoherently as he often does. I think the media has actually done a very good job showing people who he is, what he says, what he does. I think most of the information that the public has about Trump is because of reporting by the media. And I guess I don't really understand how this industry that literally exists to attack the press broadly - and the media is not a monolith. It's not a league. But this industry that exists to do that - I don't see how they think they are a solution by undermining faith in what we do. That's been very confusing to me.

DAVIES: Yeah. Well, I mean, part of the attacks are clearly are partisan. I mean, Republicans and Trump supporters are going to attack.

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: I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about...

DAVIES: Yeah, well, who is the industry you're talking about? Yeah.

HABERMAN: I'm talking about criticism on the left. I'm talking about a lot of that Trump has used the language of despots to undermine the press is very well established, and it's very dangerous. And I've talked about that. The publisher of The New York Times has been incredibly clear about that. He published an Op-Ed recently in The Washington Post actually talking about that. So I don't think that anybody is - in - at The New York Times is trying to sanitize Trump's language. Do I think that there are occasional pieces at my paper, at other papers that probably should have been done differently? That's absolutely true. And that's - but that - what happens with this industry on the left that attacks the press is that it gets described as a grand conspiracy to try to help Trump somehow, as opposed to people doing their job on daily deadlines and not always hitting the mark because we are humans. And we are doing our best under a very challenging set of circumstances. But I actually think the media has done a very good job of covering Trump.

I think that what is frustrating to those people making those claims is that there is not the result they want to see, which is Trump melts or Trump no longer has, you know popularity. I mean, you were saying - I think your question was treat him with credibility. He's the Republican nominee. So there's a substantial voting bloc in this country - almost half - that take seriously what he's saying. And it's not because The New York Times wrote a certain story. And so to not understand that, I think, is problematic for folks leveling the charge.

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/g-s1...on-trump-the-media-and-the-turbulent-election
 

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So Olivia Nuzzi, the reporter covering RFK Jr.'s campaign for New York magazine, has been placed on leave after it was discovered that she was in a relationship with him.

And from the "every accusation is a confession department", in 2015 she tweeted:
Why does Hollywood think female reporters sleep with their sources?
Why indeed? :oops:
 
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