I'd love to get CF Express cards for my A7R V. The benefit in burst speed for shooting wildlife is amazing. Lossless Compressed Raw can hit over 1000 shots before hitting a write buffer, whereas on a UHS-II card it tops out at 66 shots. It sounds excessive, but when you see something like an Osprey or a Kingfisher doing a dive, that actually does matter.That's pretty close to what "CFexpress" is(though not specifically designed as an adapter for 2230s); and it is a standard; but relatively weakly adopted. Some mid to high end cameras; along with ingest interfaces sold to users of those cameras(along with the Xbox series X and S using a proprietary slight variant of the spec); but not super popular.
So it was about duplicating data in mupltiple locations to reduce seeking. So really about spinning media vs solid state, access time not necessarily throughput. Not nearly as applicable to comparing throughput of a bunch of solid state options, as in SD vs SDEx vs NVMe. Access time differences between each is going to be virtually negligible, and having a known minimum throughput becomes the best way to ensure a good experience.This is known. For both optical media and hard drives (spinning rust) some developers tried to optimize the physical layout of assets on disk, frequently by duplication.
The seeking latency reduction did help some games, at the cost of greater sizes.
Sorry, can’t look for the video where this was discussed right now, but around the launch of the ps5 there was some chatter about it.
The infertace is certainly backwards compatible since SDEx uses the same extra pins as UHS-II and leaves the old SD pins alone, but a cursory look didn't find anything specifying that SDEx-capable slots and controllers are required to actually support the old interface. I'd be willing to bet it is because SD is usually very strong on backwards compatibility. Hopefully Nintendo doesn't block use of UHS-I or slower cards completely, and instead just refuses to put Switch 2 Enhanced games on a slow non-SDEx card.Considering the Steam Deck works well with a standard microSD, I bought a new, non-express card in anticipation of the Switch 2. Hopefully it'll be backward compatible with the older standard, even if it's a bit slower.
It's a shame we can't add more storage via 2230 m.2 drive. I'd even be happy if the dock had an m.2 port! Can you add more storage to the Switch through usb like other consoles? That's a lower cost option, if supported.
Not to pitch for any brand. You're absolutely right that fakes are everywhere. But at least Samsung has a utility to check a card after you bought it.It's a good opportunity to remind folks that counterfeit SD cards of all kinds are rampant.
If buying on Amazon, I'd definitely do a capacity/performance check upon receipt of the card. There are products and websites that can help you verify that your card is genuine and as-advertised.
Double check yourself as I am going off memory, but I am pretty sure the reveal yesterday said the MicroSD Express card is required. So don't count on your older card being compatible.Considering the Steam Deck works well with a standard microSD, I bought a new, non-express card in anticipation of the Switch 2. Hopefully it'll be backward compatible with the older standard, even if it's a bit slower.
It's a shame we can't add more storage via 2230 m.2 drive. I'd even be happy if the dock had an m.2 port! Can you add more storage to the Switch through usb like other consoles? That's a lower cost option, if supported.
Yes, relative to my 16GB iPhone from a long time ago, also relatively generous. Low standards.The word before "generous" was "relatively". Compared to the original Switch, which had 32GB of internal storage, 256GB is "relatively generous".
Yes, if used broadly, lots of things are relatively X compared to comparator Y. If you don’t use it meaningfully with a comparator, it doesn’t have much meaning.
Yes, if used broadly, lots of things are relatively X compared to comparator Y. If you don’t use it meaningfully with a comparator, it doesn’t have much meaning.
Compared to the first Switch, you're paying between $100 and $150 more for the console itself, $10 more for each pair of Joy-Cons or Pro Controllers you buy, $50 for a replacement dock, and between $10 and $20 more for first-party games.
The Switch 2's relatively generous 256GB of internal storage should help you avoid the need for an SD card, and it could be all you ever need if you manage your storage space carefully. But the extra cost of microSD Express on top of everything else does rankle, even if the technical reasons behind the move are totally justifiable.
Fair enough compared to the prior paragraph. Mea culpaI thought the article was quite clear on what was being compared.
Yeah MicroSD Express is required, as per Nintendo's press release "Nintendo Switch 2 only uses microSD Express cards"Double check yourself as I am going off memory, but I am pretty sure the reveal yesterday said the MicroSD Express card is required. So don't count on your older card being compatible.
I've had fake products through Best Buy as well. But at least (like with Amazon) they're pretty good about accepting returns. Never had an issue with Memory Express.I'm cutting Amazon out of my life as much as humanly possible, but even before that point, electronics and storage media are things I would never, under any circumstances, buy from them.
Memory Express (Canada) and Best Buy only.
That's correct. But for some reason the article has been updated to read "there is a small but measurable increase in launch and loading speeds when loading games from the original Switch's microSD card instead of from internal storage". Based on the comments (including the one you replied to), it looks like the article used to say "increase in loading times", which would've been correct, but now says "increase in loading speeds", which for the microSD card I would not expect to be correct.No, that would mean it takes longer to load from internal. You want Launching and loading times to be low (i.e. quick), not high (i.e. slow).
$80. Not $90. That's with EU VAT added.Who cares about storage capacity when the games are going to cost $90.
I'm never going to fill the 256gb internal drive because there's zero chance I ever buy the console.
The new media standard is more expensive than the old one because data transfer rates are higher. The Switch's $300 price in 2017, adjusted for inflation, is now $394. The Switch 2 has a larger display and a number of performance upgrades relative to the Switch 1. The $449 price may well be an attempt by Nintendo to get ahead of Trump's tariffs by picking a price tag they wouldn't have to change immediately if the US imposed new restrictions rather than a price tag that would leave them losing money per unit sold.This doesn’t feel good this feels like another stick-it-to-the-end-user cost cutting where a reasonable company would have just made the thing better and charged a fair price.
We don’t care. Plonk.Who cares about storage capacity when the games are going to cost $90.
I'm never going to fill the 256gb internal drive because there's zero chance I ever buy the console.
I wonder if the slot is hardware-capable of reading non-SD-Express. Most SD Express slots already supports non-SD-Express too.I'm a bit salty about the requirement.
I was planning to run all of my existing Switch 1 games off of my existing 512GB microSD card. They are Switch 1 games.
Recording pictures and video is the most demanding thing most SD cards are called upon to do—give or take a Raspberry Pi-based computer—and you don't need to overspend to get extra speed you're not going to use.
They say it's fast, but conveniently don't say exactly how fast.I appreciate the new tech and understand why Nintendo is using it, but... can we not add yet another icon to the glut of icons that MicroSD cards already have on them?
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Just look at this picture. MicroSD XC I, UHS-3, A1, now EX. Five icons that basically say "this card is fast" in five different ways. STAHP!
Why have newer and faster versions of the standard—UHS-II, UHS-III, and SD Express—failed to achieve critical mass?
This is why microSD express is perfect. There’s only one manufacturer of UHS-II microSD cards I can find (Delkin) and the cards are relatively low capacity compared to the huge UHS-I cards. I’ve also only seen one device that supports such UHS-II microSD cards, the Rog Ally. Since devices largely skipped UHS-II in microSD and SD express is only backcompat with UHS-I, going microSD express makes perfect sense and you lose nothing except money and max capacity (although 1TB isn’t bad).SD Express devices and cards were supposed to be backwards compatible with SD UHS I. They can't utilize UHS II because the extra pins for UHS II are used for the PCIe lane.
There’s no “UHS-3” logo on that card. What’s shown is UHS-I and U3. The latter means it has a guaranteed minimum write speed of 30MB/sec in UHS-I mode.I appreciate the new tech and understand why Nintendo is using it, but... can we not add yet another icon to the glut of icons that MicroSD cards already have on them?
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Just look at this picture. MicroSD XC I, UHS-3, A1, now EX. Five icons that basically say "this card is fast" in five different ways. STAHP!
Potential for neat stuff, not just attacks.
Micro SD express isn't just PCIe by another name, you have to do some SD protocol stuff to flip the pins into PCIe mode, but it's not that hard - assuming there's a way to do that without too much cooperation with the OS then you could hook an eGPU to it, eg by breaking it out to Oculink connectors. Of course you'd need drivers for that, but if PCs start supporting the cards then that becomes possible.
One thing though, NVMe tends to be a bit power hungry, to the extent of needing its own heatsink. If you compress that into a microSD form factor I expect fairly aggressive thermal throttling.
On the attack front, I would not be surprised if the slot in the Switch is fairly walled off from other parts of the system, since it doesn't need to support arbitrary PCIe devices. Apple uses NVMe in the iPhone and, while there have been a few software attacks on their DART IOMMU, it's not a popular attack vector. Of course an external slot is a bit different to a soldered NVMe chip. Although if they're using off the shelf Nvidia Tegra silicon without further tweaks maybe it's not as walled off as Apple's.
If you want to go there...Yes, relative to my 16GB iPhone from a long time ago, also relatively generous. Low standards.
Pet peeve of mine, but it does not come with 256GB of memory (altho that would be wicked!). It does come with 256GB of storage though.Why?
The machine comes with 256GB of internal memory. At the very least, that's a cost you could put off for some months after buying the Switch 2.
I'll grant that it still costs ~$700 + tax in total, but I don't see a reason why you can't buy a Switch 2 initially, then add additional storage later after you've gotten some initial use out of the console. You may also get lower prices because, as Ars says, wider popularity and availability of the relevant standard may encourage prices to drop.
Yeah, but how often are you doing massive transfers? It's a trade-off between size (both of the card and the space used by the slot inside the device) and speed. Downloading a big ol' game is going to be limited the internet pipe and that usually can't saturate even a bad drive.Manufacturers need to list sustained R/W speeds in addition to peak like many do with CF Express type B cards.
I would expect that microSD Express cards would overheat quite quickly doing full speed transfers since my microSD Type I cards get pretty toasty sauntering at their relatively slow transfer rates when doing large transfers.
A) there are already 1TB SDEx cards. There will be more in the near future.So... I currently have an almost-full 1TB card in my Switch.
I didn't realise until this moment that this means that it won't be possible at all for me to just migrate across to a Switch 2. There doesn't seem to be any MicroSD EX cards larger than 256GB out there at all. This sucks.
The Switch 2 spec sheet has the following:*microSD memory cards that are not compatible with microSD Express can only be used to copy screenshots and videos from Nintendo Switch.I wonder if the slot is hardware-capable of reading non-SD-Express. Most SD Express slots already supports non-SD-Express too.
In other words, just a software-enforced limitation.
Perhaps a Nintendo firmware upgrade will be hastily rushed out when people like you complain -- so many Switch 1 owners being mad that they can't easily transfer card-hosted games between Switch 1 and Switch 2 rapidly, especially when you're away from fast Internet.
Let's hope -- I think it's a good requirement for Switch 2 compatible games but I think the requirement should be deleted for non-upgraded Switch 1 games. Or simply it already supports it, just not revealed in the announcement (For obvious "focus on the Switch 2 squirrel" Marketing reasons)
You do point out a good point.
All of that said, there is a small but measurable increase in launch and loading speeds when loading games from the original Switch's microSD card instead of from internal storage.
All of that said, on the original Switch there is a small but measurable increase in launch and loading times when loading games from the microSD card instead of from internal storage.
https://americas.lexar.com/news/lex...-express-card-for-use-with-nintendo-switch-2/So... I currently have an almost-full 1TB card in my Switch.
I didn't realise until this moment that this means that it won't be possible at all for me to just migrate across to a Switch 2. There doesn't seem to be any MicroSD EX cards larger than 256GB out there at all. This sucks.
Counter pet peeve of mine: Storage is a type of memory. And solid-state storage -- flash memory -- is explicitly defined as NVRAM.Pet peeve of mine, but it does not come with 256GB of memory (altho that would be wicked!). It does come with 256GB of storage though.
No you cannot. The Wii U is the only Nintendo console to support that. And while we don't know the specs of the 2 USB-C ports on the Switch 2 (I'm assuming some flavor of USB3.) we do know the dock has 2 USB2 USB-A ports. The USB-C port on the dock is most likely power in only.Can you add more storage to the Switch through usb like other consoles? That's a lower cost option, if supported.