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From spaceflightnow.com:

Here is the statement Arianespace chief executive Stephane Israel:

"Ladies and gentlemen, I come to give you some information because we have had an anomaly on this launch. Indeed, we lost contact with the launcher a few seconds after ignition of the upper stage. At that time, we can consider that the upper composite and the satellite as being (inaudible). But as I said, we lost contact. Up to now, our customers do not have contact with the satellite. We need now some time to know if they have been separated, and where they are exactly ,to better analyze the consequences of this anomaly."

"I want to present my deepest excuses to our customers, who have entrusted us one more time. We know that there is no launch with no risk. We know that launch is always difficult, and tonight Ariane 5 has had an anomaly, so lets take time now to better understand the situation of the satellites."

"Arianespace, in full transparency, will come back to you to provide you with some more information as soon as we have them. I apologize on behalf of Arianespace."

Apparently there was supposed to be a Long March launch today too.
 

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My suspicion is that enough people fucked up on this such that no one is really going to have to answer for any of it. The govt should not have underresourced the FAA. The FAA should not have rubber stamped a self-cert by Boeing. Boeing engineers should not have half assed the implementation of MCAS. Boeing customer service should not have neglected training on MCAS, the system deliberately designed to point the aircraft at the ground.

Paid DLC for life critical system redundancy certainly sounds criminal, but you never know.
 

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IDs are not unique to Boeing (as is being reported or implied). Virtually every aeronautical and aerospace company has them. The FAA made a conscious decision to implement them, because the number of companies requiring certification and the number of airframes per company were both exploding. The complexity of modern airframe and avionics designs was increasing to the point the FAA was struggling to keep up. In the early to mid 80s, the FAA was having to maintain a large staff of engineers who worked entirely remotely at a given company. It didn't make a ton of sense to keep doing that, and there were concerns about the government paying employees to essentially work for a private company.

It is not trivial to become an ID. The requirements are substantial, and each individual applicant must be approved by the FAA for each specific sub-category in which they wish to be certified. The ID program has led to the issuance of thousands of certificates, and hundreds of millions of safe flight hours.

I'll leave my soap box now, but it's been bugging me that there's a strong narrative in the reporting and discussion that Boeing is receiving some kind of special privilege here. Any company can sponsor/hire an ID, or purchase contract ID services from someone on the FAA's approved list.

This is understood, at least by people in this thread. That said, the ID arrangement failed to catch this particular design issue, and the FAA needs to do some PR damage control ASAP because without it this looks like a case of the fox guarding the henhouse.
 

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Modern turbofan-airliners are actually like $100 million to $300 million industrial facilities. And pilots are merely operators of these industrial facilities (A point which many commercial pilots are adamant about). There are hundreds of automated systems with varying sophistication. There is for example no "simple autopilot" where all you do is set a bearing and altitude of the airplane. These autopilots will interface with the power system, the automatic trim system and systems that will automatically pump fuel around to optimise COG, trim and even wing bending.

Then there are autopilot landing systems and of course navigation systems. And on top of all of that there is a layer for economic planing and operating of this facility ...

AIUI, though, one of the appeals of the 737 specifically was that the pilot could in fact turn off the automation and hand fly the aircraft with no computation between the stick and the control surfaces. That makes the MAX and its partial fly-by-wire a more significant change.
 

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That incident happened while autopilot was disengaged...

Exactly. MCAS isn't autopilot; it's fly by wire. In an aircraft that to my knowledge had no fly by wire system previously.

I am thinking that it could save everyone a lot of trouble to make a rule that if controls are altered at all depending on a sensor then probability of failure has to be very low as for any other part (what ever their one in many millions figure is) regardless of how much controls are being altered. What ever "rule lawyering" happened at Boeing where they had this Schrodinger system existing in the superposition of doing the important job of averting a stall and being unimportant enough to rely on single sensor with no failure detection, it clearly did not save anyone any money.

It had saved Boeing a great deal of money and time up until planes began falling out of the sky. But basing that system on a single mechanical sensor is the single biggest fuckup out of the entire chain.
 

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Developing a common bus to attach a payload isn't really anything new, but it's a great way to stabilize costs. This is the idea around Boeing's 702 platform for (mostly) GEO satellites, which has been around for almost 20 years.
Yeah.

So far as I'm aware this is a first as a commoditized bus in that size class. There's never been a way for such a small payload to be the primary payload on an inexpensive launch. There's been smaller launchers like Pegasus but those aren't that cheap. This seems like a really good way to stimulate demand.

There's a bunch of really cool possibilities that occur to me.

Me too: handlebars and a spacesuit. :cool:
 

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Spinlaunch appears to be an actual company that really plans to launch small rocket-assisted payloads from a centrifuge. I have many questions, like what is the side loading G rating, and what happens to the launcher after it lets go. But I thought I'd get some opinions from you guys before dismissing the idea as entirely ridiculous.
 

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I had thought RP-1/LOX engines were relatively easy to light, but I guess not.

The book "Ignition!" (PDFs floating around the internet, and I believe it's back in print again) goes into great detail on the challenges of avoiding Rapid Unplanned Disassembly during the startup phase of a rocket motor. There's no shortage of ways to blow up a motor.

"Ignition" gets a re-read every couple of years, just for the sheer enjoyment. /derail

Yes, I just finished reading it a couple of months ago. RP-1 sure seemed like the "easiest" option out of all the concoctions they tried. And I assumed that progress must have been made in the decades since that book was written.
 

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I don’t see it either. A rotationally-catapulted payload would have to withstand incredible sideload forces and then the axial forces imparted by atmospheric drag and the second stage. A linearly accelerated catapulted payload would still have to withstand 1G of (downward) force plus the axial. Whereas stacked vertical launch only has to be built to endure acceleration in one direction.
 

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It looks like the Starliner's problems were fairly extensive. Boeing found issues with 13 valves that failed to open. So far they've restored functionality to 7 of the 13 valves. They are still hoping for an August launch but that seems optimistic if they haven't gotten them all to work yet and determined why they failed to open.

And if they don't make August the launch will be further delayed because there will no longer be any open docking ports at the ISS.
 

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So far they've restored functionality to 7 of the 13 valves.

From the article:

"Boeing has completed physical inspections and chemical sampling on the exterior of a number of the affected valves, which indicated no signs of damage or external corrosion," officials wrote in the statement. "Test teams are now applying mechanical, electrical and thermal techniques to prompt the valves open. Seven of the 13 valves are now operating as designed, with inspection and remediation of the remaining affected valves to be performed in the days ahead."

Please tell me this is not someone spinning "We've been beating on them with a hammer and taking a torch to them to try and get them to open"...

That’s exactly what it sounds like. Thing is, even if they can unstick these valves, how do they know they won’t just stick again? Thirteen seems like the kind of failure rate that would require, like, different valves.
 

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I’m glad it went well. Even if the rocket worked perfectly if 90 year old Shatner kicks the bucket nobody would let them live down killing Kirk.

Damn Shatner barely fits in his coveralls...

I saw Shatner on stage at Cisco Live in 2011. He was kind of overweight but not overly so, but he was already old enough that he couldn't move faster than a shuffle. Sharp as a tack mentally though, hilarious too.
 

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Although Alaska cleared the fault and returned the plane to service with both, the Minimum Equipment List allows for flights with only one working sensor. So far, there is no indication that Alaska was rash or careless.

I'd be interested in seeing current communications between the Alaska Airlines C-suite and that of Boeing...
 
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