Tesla urges overhaul of Trump tariffs hurting EV industry

stormcrash

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Musk is learning that when you get in bed with Satan, no matter how many other riches you may get, you're still going to lose your soul in the end.
The rub is that both of them think they're buying the others soul, when neither of them has a soul to sell in the first place, the devil owns them both
 
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On the one hand, you aren't wrong. On the other hand, what, exactly, does Musk have to offer Trump if the money has to start flowing in the other direction? I don't see Trump stepping up to bat for much of anybody, ever, and I don't see him making an exception for the Muskrat--who I suspect he already would LOVE to get rid of, if he didn't need the asshole's money.
Money flowing in the 'other' direction? Not quite, and not a problem. Money flows from Musk to Trump. The counter-flow would be from taxpayers to Musk. It's not a loop.

As for Musk's shelf-life under Trump... that will last for as long as Musk is a personal piggy-bank. And of course Trump despises him - not being Donald Trump (and even then, you've got to be the right Donald Trump) makes him a disposable tool who'll be thrown away as soon as he stops being of use.
 
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Shoot first, ask questions later isn't just how American military strategists treat civilians, it's how American economic policymakers treat the economy. After watching a year and a half of American politicians on both the left and right fund, arm, and cheer on for the most brutal, violent, and sadistic genocide of my lifetime, watching American media (and presidents) constantly cover it up, and uncritically repeat atrocity propaganda from the those who are perpetrating the genocide, and then listening to average everyday Americans all across the internet engage in constant genocide denial, I can't say this loudly enough:

YOU FUCKING DESERVE THIS.

Donald Trump might not be the president you voted for, but he is the president you deserve. Good fucking riddance to the USA. The civilized world cannot put you in the rearview mirror fast enough.
And yet, here you are, hanging out on our website.

Your righteous sanctimonious attitude stops where it might inconvenience you? :think-rotate:
 
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Aurich

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You've never slowed down when you've seen a gigantic flaming wreck on the highway? Your country burning down is a low carbon source of heat to make my popcorn with. I'm just here to see which scapegoats Americans will blame first. South African immigrants? Muslim voters? Bernie Sanders supporters? The choices are endless, and all entirely incorrect.
Got it. Well enjoy I guess, you're a shining example of the kind of moral high ground us lowly Americans can only aspire to.
 
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On the one hand, you aren't wrong. On the other hand, what, exactly, does Musk have to offer Trump if the money has to start flowing in the other direction? I don't see Trump stepping up to bat for much of anybody, ever, and I don't see him making an exception for the Muskrat--who I suspect he already would LOVE to get rid of, if he didn't need the asshole's money.
Bear in mind it isn't Trump's money he's using to buy favor anymore...
 
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llama-lime

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I'm just using some mean words. The USA uses 2000 lb bombs on infants and pregnant women. Fuck off if you think America and Americans have the moral high ground on anything.
Do the victims of the 2000 lb bombs, the victims of genocide in Gaza, or the victims of genocide occupied Ukraine deserve Trump?

Enjoy your delicious self-righteousness, but your joy involves far more suffering for the people you are pretending to care about. Seems that you only care about your own narcissistic purity.
 
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Musk has contradictory ideas.
1. From the article; "Tesla (Musk) supports a robust and thorough process" when it is about trade which helps Musk’s first goal which is to be the richest person in the world.

2. But who is going to implement this “robust and thorough process”? Federal employees.
** Musk has not been "robust and thorough" when firing/laying off or trying to fire/layoff federal employees.

A. Musk's DOGE tried to fire Air Traffic Controllers but was stopped from making this mistake.
B. DOGE/Musk fired hundreds of federal employees who were tasked with working on the nation’s nuclear weapons programs and then the decision was reversed which admits this was a mistake.
Daryl Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association said, “The DOGE people are coming in with absolutely no knowledge of what these departments are responsible for”.
C. The Agriculture Department rehired several workers who were involved in the government’s response to the bird flu which has devastated egg and poultry farms. Another blunder by DOGE/Musk.
D. Firing researchers working on treatments for veterans due to cancer, opioid addiction, prosthetics and inhaling toxic fumes from the burning of waste near military installations (burn pit exposure).

https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musks-doge-tried-fire-air-traffic-controllers-report-2041505

https://time.com/7225798/doge-fires...ity-administration-energy-rehires-musk-trump/

https://apnews.com/article/doge-fir...workers-musk-d33cdd7872d64d2bdd8fe70c28652654
 
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Ladies and Gentlemen, the Assholes are now fully in charge. Please make your way to the exits calmly and quickly, this operation will now disintegrate in a fireball of greed, corruption and graft, and utter and despicable inhumanity and bigotry. It was a nice country while it lasted. (Pretty much.) Thank you for all the clicks and engagements over the years, that's what it's all about after all, and please enjoy season Two of The Real Assholes of These United States -- and be sure to watch Melania on Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen, streaming on Truth Social tonight!
 
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Being stupid enough to side with the political party that hates electric cars then spending your time shitting on the only people that will buy your cars on the other political side doesn't work out real well it seems. Hopefully JP Morgan's share price target of $120 for Tesla comes true, then halves again.
 
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Jim Salter

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Money flowing in the 'other' direction? Not quite, and not a problem. Money flows from Musk to Trump. The counter-flow would be from taxpayers to Musk. It's not a loop.

As for Musk's shelf-life under Trump... that will last for as long as Musk is a personal piggy-bank. And of course Trump despises him - not being Donald Trump (and even then, you've got to be the right Donald Trump) makes him a disposable tool who'll be thrown away as soon as he stops being of use.
Yeah, I think we just said the same thing. Musk is only useful to Trump as long as he's a source of money. As soon as he's begging for favors because he's going broke, Musk is SO fucking out of there, and Trump will have an enormous smile on his face as he gets rid of him.
 
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He's caused the company to lose about half it's valuation in under three months and they haven't bounced him out the door yet... so probably..
It’s not the first time, so they’re used to the bottom falling out occasionally. They just need to time their stock fire sales…
 
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Any day now, I am expecting the announcement of an internal combustion engine Tesla. It won't help with tariffs, but it will assuage conflicted conservatives.
It will probably have a setting to burn the fuel incompletely, then ignite the exhaust so instead of just rolling coal they can shoot fire at Priuses. After all, if you can't do that do you really live in a free country?
 
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danielravennest

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The man grew up very wealthy living in NYC penthouses. This guy does not drive cars and has never had to. He has likely sat in a front seat only a few times in his life. He is also rich enough that he has no concept of the price relevant to any consumer. I cannot think of a more worthless opinion on whether a car is good or not.
Technical correction: Donald grew up in his father's house in Queens. They were getting rich laundering money for the mob through their apartment buildings, but the mob kept a low profile to avoid attention from law enforcement. His ostentatious lifestyle started with partying at nightclubs with mob lawyer Roy Cohn, and converting the former Commodore Hotel next to Grand Central Terminal to the Grand Hyatt Hotel in 1978, when he was 32. Private suites at the hotel were conducive to more partying. Trump Tower was completed in 1983, but I'm not sure when he moved in.
 
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danielravennest

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Yes, I have caught myself, if not rooting for then at least relishing the thought of, a recession caused by his policies. And while I think one is inevitable, I shouldn't be out here thinking positively about something that will cause mass suffering.
That's the thing. Tanking the economy and messing with things like Social Security and Medicare are going to make a lot of people angry. So the Republican Party as a whole is setting itself up for massive losses in the mid-terms. If we get any special elections before then, that will be an indicator of what is coming. I will point to Marjorie Taylor Green as an example. Her district regularly voted 75% Repub in the past, including her first term getting elected. The one last year she only got 66%, because enough people got tired of her antics. A 9% shift nationwide would totally upend the party balance.
 
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