Tesla’s Superchargers open up to GM EVs today—adapters needed
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But what did Ford do?
“ Unlike Ford, which made the adapter free to customers who registered before late June, the adapters will cost $225, GM says, and will be available through the EV's smartphone app. (We should note that Ford made the adapter available free of charge to customers who registered before June.)”
“ Unlike Ford, which made the adapter free to customers who registered before late June, the adapters will cost $225, GM says, and will be available through the EV's smartphone app. (We should note that Ford made the adapter available free of charge to customers who registered before June.)”
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Will all bolts (2019 in this case) with CCS be supported?
And, 50kw max charge rate will block a charging bay for a while…
And, 50kw max charge rate will block a charging bay for a while…
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It’s nice to see some movement on opening the superchargers again as this has been a long delay after Ford. Not likely to happen, but a calendar of some form for the next few manufacturers would be great. Volvo announced Q2 2024 last fall, but has since downgraded it to “soon.”
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You should probably forget about that. Since it depends on the burning garbage fire we call Tesla, its a miracle anyone at any of the car companies can get someone on the phone to deal with setting up car access.
The NYT ran this recently, which is a good read: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/27/business/energy-environment/tesla-electric-vehicle-charging.html
I am planning on bugging a bunch of OEMs in November to see what their collective excuses will be as they try and explain why their drivers still don't have access or adapters yet.
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Maybe I misunderstand but shouldn't this be the other way around? "NACS (originally Tesla J3400)"
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My back-of-napkin math puts it around 170k (excluding Volt).
And yeah, a good number of those are Bolts that don't have the DCFC option.
That said, I have been seeing the Equinox EV around me more often (my anecdata). And per reports, GM sold over 38k EV's in Q1/Q2 2024. And that's still despite the Blazer EV stop-sale.
So I expect those numbers to increase a fair bit once Equinox EV production really ramps up.
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Obviously, if Elon is slow-walking opening up the charging network to other OEM's, it will be hard to tell if it's a legit issue or just an excuse.
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I believe NACS is the name Tesla called it when promoting it to be the new standard, before it became a formal standard. SAE J3400 is the name for the formalized standard.
It's like FireWire vs IEEE-1394. Both refer to the same communications protocol. Side note: I just realized how old I am by remembering that.
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It took me 4 months but I did get a free $200 adapter rom Ford having purchased a new EV from them in 2023. Its the official one made by Tesla.
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EA and EVGo have been working very well for me over the last year and half. I have no intention or reason to give Musk any support.
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Tesla the company, separated from Elon, is actually pretty competent, and the Supercharging network is robust. Considering past legacy auto performance in the Adopting New Technology department, I'm more inclined to blame them.
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I foresee future pain with needing a proprietary app unique to the vehicle to be able to charge.
"Sales sucked so we turned off the servers. Sorry about bricking your car."
There needs to be legislation and regulation to prevent this. Drivers should be able to fall back to paying at the charger.
"Sales sucked so we turned off the servers. Sorry about bricking your car."
There needs to be legislation and regulation to prevent this. Drivers should be able to fall back to paying at the charger.
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A few weeks ago I downloaded the Tesla app and set my vehicle as a Chevy Bolt, and it didn't show any chargers near my location. I just checked again and it's showing several, so I believe that means the Tesla app can be used as well.
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Will this work with my 2017 Bolt? No adapters in the useless “MyChevrolet” app.
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No, J3400 is the SAE name for the actual standard. NACS is the Tesla name for it.
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From another article I read that Bolts will need a software update at the dealer. I haven't called a dealer to confirm and don't know if they will charge for the update. Seems like they might since they're charging for the adapter.
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Thanks for the clarification! J3400 just rolls off the tongue, right? I'm pretty sure NACS will become the common name and hopefully at some point the plug becomes universal enough that the name entirely disappears.
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I think to attribute a purposeful intent here is giving him too much credit.
He's acting/reacting with no real direction at all, to the detriment of his own company (see: firing the very successful head [and many of her subordinates] of the division in charge of this very topic, superchargers).
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I’m really excited. When we drive to the cabin in the winter, we’re right at the edge of the range of our Bolt EUV. There are only two CCS fast chargers on the route to our cabin and at least 24 Tesla chargers.
When it’s -30 just 10 minutes of additional charging can be the difference between getting home or not. Hell is waiting for one of the two fast chargers when it’s -30. Now there are dozens!
When it’s -30 just 10 minutes of additional charging can be the difference between getting home or not. Hell is waiting for one of the two fast chargers when it’s -30. Now there are dozens!
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I think that depends on the other brands and much as Tesla. It seems like Chevy dragged this out forever so they could make it work through their app, even though it works through the Tesla app just fine.
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If you could ask them about Hyundai, maybe prod them with a needle or three, and then respond personally to me, I would consider it a great favor.
Alternately, good luck to you!
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The connector we use for AC charging is called J1772. The world didn't end because it didn't have a snazzy name. It doesn't need a name. People will call it "the charger" or "the plug" and that'll be the end of it. I'm sure there's an SAE standard for gasoline and diesel pump nozzles as well, but how often do you hear anyone referring to them by that name? Never.
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HPIB vs. IEEE-488. I see your old and raise you 10 years, back before HP was a printer manufacturer. RPN FTW
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That can be true - and Elon also could react to some perceived slight somewhere and gum up the rollout for another company. (See Elon telling advertisers to "GFY"...)
It's the fact that Elon doesn't have true underlying business principles that concerns me. Sure, he successfully identified charging as a pain point for EV's, but who does that AND fires the group responsible for expanding the charging network?
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I'd like to think that the risk of regulatory intervention might be enough to keep that from happening, but I know there's going to be a point where there just aren't enough of the unpopular cars left on the road to create enough consumer outrage to matter.
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$225 for something that has to be capable of carrying hundreds of Amps at hundreds of Volts is perfectly reasonable. This is not something you buy off of AliExpress for 90% off.
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Same thing happens with Tesla, even outside the app.
As I recall, Rich Rebuilds even had his DCFC capability turned off for his rebuilt salvage Model S, and had to rely on just Level 2 charging.
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Re: Naming
Can someone tell me what the name J3400 actually represents? Does the J mean something? Do the the numbers? Wasn't able to find this with a quick web search.
Can someone tell me what the name J3400 actually represents? Does the J mean something? Do the the numbers? Wasn't able to find this with a quick web search.
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SAE "J" standards are their motor vehicles standards. I'm unsure if the "3400" represents something or is just the standard number they are up to.
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Nothing. It's just the number of the SAE standard that defines it. It's like a catalog number.
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Tesla does have a first mover advantage. Their Supercharger network has been the vanguard of the EV transition, and the fact that it's opening to other makers via the new standard is huge.
And perhaps if Elon didn't fire everyone in charge of that in a fit of pique, the company wouldn't be such a burning garbage fire.
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The pain of using GM's app more or less completely offsets the convenience of having the supercharger network...
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