" ... his design, while appearing simplistic, ..."
People, Ms. Belanger, everyone -- "simplistic" does not mean simple, nor does it mean very simple or pleasingly simple, or any such thing. It means too simple for purpose. A simplistic design is a design that fails to include something that's necessary. "Simplistic" does not have a positive or neutral sense.
I've been a part of a few where "blame everyone else, pity me" updates did not sit well with people, and certainly did their own reputational damage.when to some degree there is almost no penalty to over-sharing (I mean considering how many crowdfund creators just take the money and run and face no legal repercussions, I don't see how sharing actual work happening can hurt)
It’s a common typo. I examined a patent for a catheter that claimed it was made out of silicon. I had to point out to the applicant that I didn’t think it was possible to make a bendable tube out of a semiconductor!I think there's a typo there. Pretty sure it should be silicone, as in the polymer
I'm with you on measuring most things by weight. But spoons are a special case - you can stick the spoon into the jar of spices / seasoning / yeast / oil / ... and come out with exactly the right amount. If you tried to do that by weight, first you'd need an accurate scale (need to measure sub gram accuracy for light things like spices) and then you'd need to add them gradually to the scale, and then transfer some back into the jar if you overshot (hoping it wasn't contaminated in the process). A spoon in ml is the optimal tool for the job.While the spoon appears to be a clever invention, the basic problem is that spoons are measuring the wrong thing. They measure volume when what you really want to measure is mass.
I was diagnosed as a type-2 diabetic a few years ago and started using a scale to ensure portion control. I quickly discovered that it is far easier (and more accurate!) to use the scale to measure things than to use measuring spoons/cups. When mixing up something, I just hit the Tare button on the scale before directly adding each ingredient to the mix from its container while watching the display.
For most liquids, you can just treat millilitres as grams. For dry measuring, you have to do a test to get the right conversion, but after that I just revise the menus to replace (tea|table)spoons with grams.
Of course, this is easier to implement if your recipes are already in metric instead of bizarre ancient measurements.![]()
It depends on what the "plastic" is made from, and if my guess is correct, it could account for why they're having issues filling order.Of course I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt and he seems to have put a lot of thought into the design, but have you ever tried to clean any dried protein gunk from a scratched plastic spatula? Anything with any protein in it (milk powder, whatever) and some moisture (steam from cooking) will absolutely turn into a very hard to clean gunk after drying out. And I don't think a metal mesh sponge would help there either, apart from scratching it up even more.
Sure, it might not be that big of an issue in practice (I use slightly dirty plastic spatulas all the time), I was just pointing out his dubious marketing claim that it's inherently more easy to clean than a stainless scoop. Any dubious claim like that is always a red flag for me.
You can clearly see very thin grooves on the front as well. And please kindly tell us how do you actually scoop up anything without the backside of the spoon touching the scooped up stuff inside the container? That's literally impossible, in both senses of the word "literal"...
An IOT catheter maybe.It’s a common typo. I examined a patent for a catheter that claimed it was made out of silicon. I had to point out to the applicant that I didn’t think it was possible to make a bendable tube out of a semiconductor!
This was a tough read. I also ran a Kickstarter years ago that failed. It blew up more than I expected and I just got in over my head.
I think I fulfilled about half of them and then gave up and just gave 110% refunds, but to this day I still feel incredible shame over it.
There is no point it's just the hubris of being pretentiousNot to mention, I don't want to mix the spoons for say, nutmeg and vanilla extract, nor do I want to be rinsing it in between ingredients. Neat idea and I guess it could have applications beyond my imagination, but I don't really see the point of this product.
https://makerworld.com/en/models/1195950-origami-foldable-measuring-spoon-tbsp-mlJust release the 3d printer files. Someone will make something useful.
Solved problem:
https://us.josephjoseph.com/products/measure-up-adjustable-measuring-spoon-blue
Eight bucks. Sanitary, elegant, metric and imperial, use mine all the time. Slide to adjust capacity, center removes for cleaning.
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Crowd funding gadgets seems obsolete in the age of 3D printing. Hey, how about KS funding a business that does just that: takes KS gadget ideas and produces prototypes on demand with guaranteed delivery times.I backed the “coolest cooler” which had a lot of interesting bells and whistles for a cooler - at the time the largest backed kickstarter project. Waited years, but never got what I paid for. The bitterest part was that they were selling units in stores, while not shipping units to those like myself who had already paid for one. (Seems like that should be against the basic rules of Kickstarter, but what do I know.) I’ll tell you what I do know, having lost a couple hundred dollars on that, what I don’t hesitate calling a scam, I’ll never back another kickstarter project ever, since there’s no guarantee you’ll get what you paid for.
Actually where I live, measuring sets are typically a set of 100ml ,50ml, 15ml, 5ml and 1ml spoons. The 15, 5 and 1 are also marked "table spoon", "tea spoon" and "spice" respectively.In metric, A cup is 250ml, a teaspoon is 5ml, a tablespoon is 15ml. Both nomenclatures can work together.
for 9 yearsSo, it's a real product, it's of decent quality, but he couldn't actually deliver them at the cost he Kickstarted them, and now he needs cash flow to produce the orders they all are entitled to so he's prioritizing new orders instead?
It's more that he spent all the Kickstarter money converting the prototype into something that could be mass-produced at a decent level of quality. Now he doesn't have the capital left after 9 years to make a large product order so he need the money from store orders to be able to make the factory orders for the Kickstarter group. It's not great by any means, but given his predicament it's a "practical" solution for a business (unless peopel think he ought to personally go into debt to get a loan to do it)So, it's a real product, it's of decent quality, but he couldn't actually deliver them at the cost he Kickstarted them, and now he needs cash flow to produce the orders they all are entitled to so he's prioritizing new orders instead?
To be clear, it's been 9 years since the Kickstarter was funded, most of that time was through failed prototypes and failed factory runs. I think it's been less than a year since he's started selling the product to non-KS backers to "kickstart" his fulfillment of Backers (and they are slowly getting them). Again obviously KS backers would prefer to be prioritized, but I can understand that why even an honest creator would choose this route over ruining their own personal savings to fulfill the order given that most of the backers would still hate him anyways.for 9 years
When things started spiraling, as Agarwal had to switch manufacturers five times, with each partner crashing into new walls trying to execute the novel product.
I mix my dry ingredients first. I rinse and wipe the spoons and then do the wet ingredients. Granted, exact measurements are really only needed for baking (being a chemical reaction type of cooking); herbs often get estimated in the palm of my hand but perfect accuracy isn't necessary in things like soups anyway.More often than not, my problem is that I need clean duplicates of the same size of measuring utensils, like using a tablespoon for oil and then needing a tablespoon for spices. If anything, this seems like it would just make things even worse.
If you are cooking, you don't usually need to weigh out a teaspoon or even 5ml of something., not even spices. You can easily estimate small amounts which aren't usually critical, or just use a regular teaspoon/tablespoon. I have 4 or 5 different sizes of teaspoon, and I've no idea which of them is the same as those of the person who compiled the recipe I'm using, but it's unlikely to make much difference to the outcome (so long as you don't confuse 1tsp of chilli flakes with 1 tbsp). And don't even get me started on 'Freedom units', 'cups' as a measure of either weight or volume, or 'sticks' of that weird fat that Americans think is butter!I'm with you on measuring most things by weight. But spoons are a special case - you can stick the spoon into the jar of spices / seasoning / yeast / oil / ... and come out with exactly the right amount. If you tried to do that by weight, first you'd need an accurate scale (need to measure sub gram accuracy for light things like spices) and then you'd need to add them gradually to the scale, and then transfer some back into the jar if you overshot (hoping it wasn't contaminated in the process). A spoon in ml is the optimal tool for the job.
Since silicon is a metal with a rigid crystalline atomic structure, it does not respond to bending stresses well, unless your goal is to break it. People often confuse silicon and silicone; some short wavelength scanning fiber lasers even claim to have silicone mirrors doing the scanning.I think there's a typo there. Pretty sure it should be silicone, as in the polymer
Patents by individuals are very costly and require deep pockets to defend. The US Patent office will not pursue patent infringers, it is up to the patent holder to take legal action, and pay the legal bills. Individuals getting patents are largely for bragging rights, and many patents are actually for worthless "inventions". On average, at least 6 perpetual motion machines get patented every year and there are lots of even worse "inventions" (there is an actual patent for the "comb-over").On a simple device, when you don't have a patent or the patent can be easily worked around, first mover advantage accrues to whoever can move fastest.
Same idea, but I don't see how a printed plastic design will hold up long term, vs a molded silicone rubber version. Flex life of the material might be 100X different?Are these origami spoons the same as those which are available for download to 3d print yourself?
https://makerworld.com/en/models/1195950-origami-foldable-measuring-spoon-tbsp-ml#profileId-1208602
And how do you not mix the spoons?Not to mention, I don't want to mix the spoons for say, nutmeg and vanilla extract, nor do I want to be rinsing it in between ingredients. Neat idea and I guess it could have applications beyond my imagination, but I don't really see the point of this product.
To be clear...To be clear, it's been 9 years since the Kickstarter was funded, most of that time was through failed prototypes and failed factory runs. I think it's been less than a year since he's started selling the product to non-KS backers to "kickstart" his fulfillment of Backers (and they are slowly getting them). Again obviously KS backers would prefer to be prioritized, but I can understand that why even an honest creator would choose this route over ruining their own personal savings to fulfill the order given that most of the backers would still hate him anyways.
TLDR: "Never attribute to malevolence what is merely due to incompetence" - Arthur C. Clarke, variation of Hanlon's RazorTo be clear...
Yes, delays happen, but the campaign was estimating delivery of product in 2017...please do not try and argue that a delay of over 8 years is normal by any means...6 months? 12 months? Hell, even 18 months? Sure. Not 8 years.
Sorry, I misread the article saying switching five manufacturers and thought that was during the production phase and not the prototyping hpase. That being said you agree that it took 3.5-4 of the 8 years from the start of the 2016 Kickstarter campaign until they had a pre-production prototype that was ready to be mass produced - so do you agree that nearly half the time was spend on that?"most of that time was through failed prototypes and failed factory runs" is not true.
I don't have access to the January 25, 2020 Update as I'm not a backer, but can you share that update... but I do note that some was happening in China around late-January, early-2020 2020 as the article mentions.In an update to backers dated January 25, 2020, the final version of the product was finished and began shipping in early January of 2020.
Then I was wrong, I just was interpreting from what the article said about starting to go to tradeshows in 2024. I caveated in my post I said "I think it's been less than a year since he's started selling the product"Polygons has been on sale to the public since March of 2022. Certainly not "less than a year".
How are you reasoning that out. In my limited experience the turnaround is a lot more than a few months. Like an order to factory takes 3-6 months to be fulfilled. Then you start selling and shipping those new product (unlike Kickstarter pledges most regular sales only charge once the product is shipping) and then you make another order with that money which takes another 3-6 months to get fulfilledAgain, I can see the merit in giving a little grace to a startup to give them a few months, maybe 6 to get their cash flow in order to get the deliveries out,
It took basically 2+ years for most of the auto industry to stop having electronic chip component shortages and they had the money, it's just the factory production was extremely limited and there were a lot of buyers in the queue - which also pushed out smaller orders.but it's been 3 years and still almost half the backers have yet to get their product.
I take it you are one of those bitter backers? YMMV, but the narrative that the article presents that it was more inexperience/incompetence than fraudulence seems reasonable to me. I don't know what specific lies and excuses you are talking about, but I agree thst it sounds like Polygon did a terrible job at honest communication- I previously post here that I agree backers would be more tolerant of technical/logistical failure so long as there was consistent, honest communicationPeople are mad because it's all just lies and excuses. It's less about their failure and more about how they handled it that is upsetting the KS backers.
Yes. This is the thing. I've designed multiple projects for manufacture, & it's genuinely hard to do - especially for people starting from zero manufacturing experience who have no idea what the hurdles are, & how many iterations are required to get a usable & reliable product. A lot of honest (non-scammy) Kickstarter projects are doomed to failure because the person has no idea how to estimate the time & money required; much as your typical MBA has no idea how to project-manage a software project.Decades of smooth logistics has made folks forget, manufacturing is HARD
COVID was a reminder. But I think Trumps 'winning' is going to drive home how hard, and fragile manufactureing and logistics really is.
Predictably surprising the people who thought that things magically just appear on shleves
Yeah; I've always looked at Kickstarters as "I want to support this person, and it looks like they may have a viable plan to deliver product."
Essentially, I view it as a way to donate money to people who I already appreciate for something else they've done. If I get the product (and so far I always have!), that's a bonus.
If you're going into it thinking "I want one of those and that's a reasonable price!" Well, there's a reason the price is low; there's no guarantee it'll ever get delivered.
In this particular case though, the product always seemed like a solution in search of a problem. Why? Because if I'm using measures for something, I'm usually measuring out multiple ingredients. Which means if I'm using this one tool, I'll need to clean it and dry it between every single ingredient I need to measure. And it's floppy. And the handle is angled in the wrong direction.
I could see the utility in something that folded flat and could convert between a lifter and a scoop; then you could use it for two separate purposes. But measuring spoons are more the "need multiple for the same purpose" thing than "need one for many" type of thing.
I never could figure out why people got excited about them in the first place.