Overblown quantum dot conspiracy theories make important points about QLED TVs

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The name QLED itself seems to me like an attempt to piggyback on the popularity of OLED. It's easy for people to get two so similar looking acronyms confused. Again an example of dishonest marketing practices.
I identified this very early in the marketing.. the use of fonts to make the Q look more like an O on many of the boxes on the shelves of big box stores. It was clear that they were targeting less savvy buyers.
 
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lefizzle

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Did it ever occur to you that some people are reading an article about TV marketing and technical specs because they need a break from the existential dread? Please take that elsewhere!
Fair enough, it just reading the news everyday, worrying about the colour spectrum a TV can produce and the way it should be allowed to be marketed seems so far away from the things we should be concerned about as to be a bit ridiculous. I take your valid point however
 
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The name QLED itself seems to me like an attempt to piggyback on the popularity of OLED. It's easy for people to get two so similar looking acronyms confused. Again an example of dishonest marketing practices.
And then you realize the LED TVs name came from trying to piggyback on the popularity of the very high-end full-array local dimming LCD televisions and the (then in the near future promise of) pixel-level dimming. It's not LCD, it's LED. Then the differentiation between edge LED and direct LED (neither of which actually had any local dimming features). OLED could somehow retain the name only because it could still be distinguished from "LED" while benefiting from some of that *LED marketing. Because it was a "better" LED... But in the end, the actual inorganic pixel-level LED concept, when it finally appeared, had to be marketed as micro-LED. And nowadays what are basically high zone count local dimming LCD televisions are marketed as mini-LED.

It's marketing practices all the way down, and usually Samsung's marketing department has had a hand in it. So it is actually a bit amusing to me that the "honesty" of some QLED television manufacturers is called into question.

Edit: sorry, I confused some of the acronyms and what they actually were... and didn't even mention Panasonic's dual layer LCD concept, because I can't remember what its marketing name was going to be.
 
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Basically they slapped a Boomer-recognizable logo to hardware made wherever it was cheapest - think GE, Westinghouse, Zenith, and store brands like Kenmore.
Multiple decades ago, I was involved in color CRT research. We built a specialized research color CRT that only had a single electron gun instead of the usual 3. The standard 3 gun CRTs waste a lot of beam current since the majority gets intercepted by the shadow mask. Hence, the single gun CRT operates at much lower power due to the greatly reduced load on the HV power supply. This caught the interest of one large US TV manufacturer, and they sent a rep out to talk to us. Besides his u _l _t_r_a_s_l_o_w manner of speaking (exceedingly painful to listen to, you could slowly write out his words in elaborate Old English cursive far faster than he could speak), he said one thing that convinced me to never buy that brand. He estimated the power supply cost reduction at about $2 to $3 per set, and claimed that their engineers would kill their own grandmothers for that much cost reduction. So insanity is not constrained to marketing in the consumer goods industry. They pinch every penny, which is why so much crap gets created.

PS: Thus type of CRT lacks a shadow mask and the beam has to be asymmetric and not rotate in the corners. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beam-index_tube
 
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The name QLED itself seems to me like an attempt to piggyback on the popularity of OLED. It's easy for people to get two so similar looking acronyms confused. Again an example of dishonest marketing practices.
Marketing guys are clever. Between the O/Q similarities and how every TV in a bright store looks fantastic they found a loophole for the average joe to not realize how stupidly better "O" is at home. The times I've had to explain this to relatives.

I pushed back the purchase of my next TV for years until I could pay a reasonable amount of money for a reasonably mature OLED TV and that's the best decision in electronics I've done in years.

The OLED TV for my normally dim setting is absolutely unbelievable. The upgrade was unreal. I hope the enshittification of "Smartness" in TVs doesn't prevent me to run this bad boy until 2040 or so. I literally see no possible significant improvement in picture quality over this. Not one my eyes can see anyway (Which is probably why TV makers are so desperate about adding some sort of obsolescence to these machines)
 
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rumplestiltskin

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My 2-year old 43" TCL (non-QD) UHD TV has a great display (by my eyes) and audio quality -way- better than the Vizio I first tried and returned. All the other Vizio's in the store had miserable audio - you couldn't understand speech, regardless of settings. (The store associate told me that this was Vizio's plan to upsell suckers to sound bars.) IIRC, the TCL was under $200 and still works perfectly today. Why on earth would I want to spend $800 or more on a TV when the content available can't possibly take advantage of what my current TV can already provide?
 
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Marketing guys are clever. Between the O/Q similarities and how every TV in a bright store looks fantastic they found a loophole for the average joe to not realize how stupidly better "O" is at home. The times I've had to explain this to relatives.

I pushed back the purchase of my next TV for years until I could pay a reasonable amount of money for a reasonably mature OLED TV and that's the best decision in electronics I've done in years.

The OLED TV for my normally dim setting is absolutely unbelievable. The upgrade was unreal. I hope the enshittification of "Smartness" in TVs doesn't prevent me to run this bad boy until 2040 or so. I literally see no possible significant improvement in picture quality over this. Not one my eyes can see anyway (Which is probably why TV makers are so desperate about adding some sort of obsolescence to these machines)
OLEDs still have some long-term issues related to light color management; whether you'll see them by 2040 will depend on how you use the panel.

With that said, I completely understand where you are coming from. I got a really good deal on an LG CX in 2020 and have been absolutely thrilled with it. I upgraded from a 42" midrange LCD I'd picked up in 2010 and was nothing but happy with the end result.

As for TVs getting much better... 8K will remain limited in consumer displays. It'll be useful in professional contexts (filming in 8K means a punch-in can still be in 4K or 1080p), but not for end users. HDR support will continue to improve. High refresh rates for gaming are a thing. I'd expect color fidelity and gamut coverage to keep improving, albeit slowly.

The risk of saying a thing like this is that I could end up looking very stupid six months from now when Samsung announces all-new GROLEDS (or what have you) that duplicate the experience of human vision perfectly. But I think you are right that things have gotten about as good as they are going to get from the perspective of my aging Mark I eyeball.
 
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Remember that time when one automaker lied about the efficiency of their diesel engines and then the US government said 'whoa, if you can make diesel engines that efficient, we should change the standard so they're all that efficient' and then every other auto maker had to figure out how to lie about their diesel efficiency. And then they all got sued/fined for billions of dollars for lying.

That was fun.
 
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I am firmly of the opinion that while you may see a difference in the store with two TVs side-by-side in picture quality, once you get the thing home and mounted on the wall unless you are an eagle-eye'd videophile it really makes no difference at all.
You say that, but I put a new wooden knob on my stereo with this special lacquer on it and combined with some gold plated USB cables and everything is way more danceable now.
 
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I'm hoping my laptop's OLED monitor can go for five years without any sign of burn-in. I also stick to a warmer color temp, use a 1 minute timer to turn off the screen, and I hide the Windows taskbar (I use a Rainmeter widget that randomly moves around as a replacement).

Are there laptop-specific optimizations at the panel level that aren't available on larger TVs or monitors?
Not that I am aware of, other than the ones you mention.

FWIW, I had the Windows taskbar up on my V1 for 1000s of hours without any hint of burn-in.

I don't think I can ever go back to an LCD or QLED or whatever screen at any size after using an OLED screen. Deep contrast and excellent color gamut are great for photos; HDR videos are the future. QLED might offer good coverage but in terms of local contrast and HDR rendering, they still can't beat a good OLED screen.
If you can be in a dim environment, nothing beats a good OLED today. MicroLED certainly can, but isn't price practical yet.

But if you want to watch bright content in a somewhat bright environment, a good QLED does great. I love my Q900B 85" for gaming and watching HDR content. Actual blooming and contrast issues are quite rare, and it's something I'm quite prone to notice. Bright white serif text on a black background, or stars in The Expanse are the places I sometimes notice, but they don't take me out of the experience.
 
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OLED visibility has supposedly improved a fair bit in recent years. I've got an LG CX from 2020 and a Samsung S90D I'm going to set up this coming weekend. The S90D is rated as substantially brighter than the CX according to RTings, for all types of content -- and it's not the brightest OLED available.
Yeah, OLED gets brighter year on year. The blue diode passthrough with red/green QD offers a nice boost.
 
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I just want a TV in which you can see what happens in"The Long Night" episode of GoT Season 8. My TV at the time failed that task. That the episode was streamed in the old HBO streaming service probably also contributed to the bad image.

Nope, it was just the idiots Benioff and Weiss, mailing in the final season because they were tired of it and wanted to go jump on the Star Wars hype train (which also failed). #ExpectationsSubverted #FuckSeason8
 
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