OpenAI’s new AI image generator is potent and bound to provoke

wildsman

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It’s real easy to be philosophical about new frontiers when it’s not your livelihood on the line.
And it's real easy to be 'snarky' on the internet than come up with actual solutions.
Or maybe just move past the trite middle school examples and consider the last 40 years of offshoring; do you think anything good happened to all the areas that used to have a middle-class blue-collar economy and now have Dollar General, OxyContin, and Trump?
https://www.amazon.com/Factfulness-Reasons-World-Things-Better/dp/1250107814

Yeah this is a bit of a myth. The world has been getting better. This nostalgia based "I hate this timeline" nonsense is completely divorced from facts on the ground.

Now, does this mean that we won't ever have difficult times again? Of course not, Trump may indeed bring fascism and get us into WWIII but Pax Americana was never going to be eternal.
Have you really thought through the social and economic consequences of ever widening the sphere of people who have no prospects and no hope for the sole benefit of a tiny number of assholes like Altman?

You think it's just openai now? Look at deepseek: even if we somehow manage to stop Google, Meta, and OpenAI, we can't stop China and the rest of the world.

The genie is out and all the snark in the world can't put it back into the bottle: either we adapt or we die.

I'm confident in our ability to adapt - well, I'm confident until we hit ASI at which point, all bets are off.

Everyone (rich and poor) is likely screwed at that point.
 
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It's a little hard to A/B it because Benj didn't upload both comic screenshots at the same size, but if you look at them it's pretty easy to spot that when he asked for the beard it regenerated the entire image and changed a bunch of random details.

Just play a little spot the difference.

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(Also, apparently like a camera, a beard adds 10 pounds)
I noticed this too, thanks for putting the pics side by side.

Yeah, changing the beard shouldn’t affect the background of the image (unless the beard blocks a bit more of it). But this demonstrates the weakness of AI art, that it’s constantly starting from scratch instead of modifying what’s already there. But that’s because there are no in-between or earlier stages, there’s just a final product.
 
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hasbin

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Still an ignoramus. What I want from generators is to admit they don't have the training to render what you want.

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Truth! A smart machine would ask you to clarify what you mean by “autoharp.” Maybe it’s a thing that exists in the real world, already documented? Maybe it’s a word you completely made up? Why you are wanting it is tells as much as the word itself. Theory of mind. Context awareness. Are you being serious? Or just wanting fun?

(Me, I had to #GoogleIt: “autoharp” is a real thing with a name that’s fantastical. Old joke: “Hurrah, we have achieved AGI!” “How do you know?” “The computer’s just asked for the back of an envelope.”)

But being a confident fool’s not the generators’ fault. It’s the programmers’, who lack imagination to consider their outputs could be wrong. It’s the brittle bright-eyed AI startup execs’, already visualizing their first IPO, their first mega-yacht. It’s the users’, delighted by fresh novelty, unpredictability, the chance their next click of the button might just yield exactly what they want.

All human bugs though. Significantly harder to solve.
 
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wildsman

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Imagine Jim Henson going to a studio in 2025, bringing kermit and rowlf the dog and saying that he had ideas about these puppets and ideas about how they could be used in the world.

The studio would ask why bother with the expensive process of manufacturing muppets and paying people to create operate them in strange, and difficult shooting sets. "we have generative AI, that will make us perfect copies of puppets that we can animate however we want, putting prompts into our AI system, and these puppets look however we tell them to look. The AI has gotten so advanced that you can even have a consistent character we could develop. It looks just like howdy doody, but modern. Why bother spending all that money when you can burn energy and gpu cycles instead.

I strongly believe that muppet Benj wouldn't exist in such a scenario.
Bit of a weird hypothetical.

1. Henson may not have to go to a studio - he can probably work on creating his own thing and maybe a YouTube channel (like those babyshark/Pink fong etc which are insanely popular and profitable among kids).

2. Even if Henson's muppet Benj wouldn't exist in that form. A creative mind like Henson would find someway to use this technology to do something truly creative with it. You're seriously underestimating human intelligence and ingenuity here.
 
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No ChatGPT is needed to call out the cynics in the room. But if one were to ask where I draw my writing style from, I’d suggest trying to reverse-engineer the 'prompt' behind this image.
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I think you must have linked the wrong image, I refuse to believe the original prompt was anything other than Jared Leto ‘Damaged’ Joker.
 
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islane

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Visual design is quickly dying as a profession. Quite sad.
As someone who, several career changes ago, went to college for visual design - it is deeply saddening.

Design, at least in the semi-analog way I was taught it, emphasized critical thinking and visual problem solving that I don't see taught outside of graphic design courses and similar. I cannot stress enough how some of the foundational design courses I took years ago still influence my work for the better. This has held true between actual design roles, working in marketing, becoming a developer, and moving into IT.

It fucking sucks that soulless image generation will eventually snuff out human design roles, then the education pipeline for those roles, and finally the courses which teach design fundamentals.
 
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hel1kx

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\>create image generator
\>show it off by generating something in Ghibli style
\>get mad that you’re trying to “cure cancer” when every product you’ve released is a bullshit generator and people use it to generate bullshit
\>whine about it in a green-text post on X
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EDIT: ugh can't figure out how to do the > without it quoting 😔
 
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wildsman

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The robot is still not capable of understanding and depicting even the most basic kinds of visual communication. All it sees is "draw a picture of two women and a man standing in roughly these positions."
Do you not actually see the expressions on their faces? It has created its own interpretation where the boyfriend has a clear expression at being caught by his girlfriend.

Now, when I prompted it to give me a version of the meme, it gave me one where the boyfriend does look distracted.

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Again, it has actually got a bloody perspective on the whole thing and that is actually impressive.

If you remember, in the original meme, the boyfriend is confidently staring at the other girl, here the boyfriend is coyly sneaking a peek - which is actually closer to real life.

And you think all it does is "picture of two women and man standing in roughly these positions"
 
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wildsman

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Except that in those cases you still needed machine operators (albeit a lower number of them) or taxi drivers and stage actors could still find work in film.
And how do you know how these future jobs are going to be affected and how the workers will react? Do you have some oracle of doom that the rest of us don't have access to?
 
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MachinistMark

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Do you not actually see the expressions on their faces? It has created its own interpretation where the boyfriend has a clear expression at being caught by his girlfriend.

Now, when I prompted it to give me a version of the meme, it gave me one where the boyfriend does look distracted.

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Again, it has its own take on how the boyfriend looks - (in the meme, the boyfriend is confidently staring at the girl, here the boyfriend is coyly sneaking a peek).

Again, it has actually got a bloody perspective on the whole thing. And you think all it does is "picture of two women and man standing in roughly these positions"
No, it doesn’t. Computer programs don’t have a perspective on anything.
 
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I'm not sure why you think it stifles creativity. Certainly , these tools may fundamentally change the conditions under which artists can monetize their creativity, but that's a very different thing. To give you a long determined analogue, I could not compete as a furniture maker in the marketplace with factory-produced high quality furniture. In many ways, though, that frees me to build furniture for the creative joy it brings me, and leaves the people for whom I make things free to appreciate what I create for it's hand-made quality, for the careful material sourcing, and for the idiosyncrasies of their wishes I can put into it. I get all the joy of being creative, developing my own ouvre, and doing the work. I just can't make a living at it.
If you're independently wealthy, or doing art while you hold down another job, that may work. However, most great art that I'm aware of was created by artists who worked at it full time for their entire lives, supported by selling their output (or having wealthy patrons). That model is on its way out. If you can't support yourself as a professional artist, there will be a lot less incentive to pursue the arts, a lot fewer artists, and ultimately a hollowed-out culture controlled by the people who create the AI. There will be no more art for art's sake; the "best" art will be only what's the most popular, and makes the most profit, and AI will be the most effective at creating it..
 
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Anti Jimmy

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The handwriting, to me, seems like a step backward. Overall, it's less natural, as if it was selected off the fonts menu in a word processor. It look like the text was handed off to another piece of software that rendered it in an appropriate typeface, then handed back to the image generator and pasted in.
 
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MachinistMark

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Yeah, and flesh and bones can't either - oh wait...
If I laid out flesh and bones into something shaped somewhat like a person I wouldn’t be making a real human, just like if someone makes a computer program that looks somewhat like it’s conscious, they’re not making a conscious computer program.
 
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Still an ignoramus. What I want from generators is to admit they don't have the training to render what you want.

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That image is from DALL-E, their old image generator. The free version of ChatGPT doesn't use the new generator yet. Here's what native GPT-4o makes:
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Still a little janky, but much, much closer.
 
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hasbin

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It was not a boon to weavers. They used to work at home, on their own schedules

Hooh-boy, ’cos if you thought that not-far-above-subsistence-living was some sort of panacea then Marx and Trotsky have a lifestyle to sell you. Pre-industrial revolution, that idyllic “own schedule” generally consisted of “all your life” with diptheria and “died in childbirth” as a fun bonus.

(Talking of which, there’s a significant body of art romanticizing this happier gentler past—no AI slop on these hands! As a genre it’s even coming back in fashion now. Et tu, Art?)

The one thing we really ought to all agree on is that Life Itself is Unfair and that making life better [for everybody] is a genuine Hard Problem. For anything else, we have Etsy now.
 
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wildsman

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If you're independently wealthy, or doing art while you hold down another job, that may work. However, most great art that I'm aware of was created by artists who worked at it full time for their entire lives, supported by selling their output (or having wealthy patrons).
Wait you just said 'or having wealthy patrons' - why can't they have wealthy patrons now?

Art was never really sustainable for a majority of artists throughout history. Even now, only certain arts can sustain you (film/television mainly).

There is a reason for the stereotype of the penniless artist - let's not pretend like art was ever really sustainable as a profession.
 
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Do you not actually see the expressions on their faces? It has created its own interpretation where the boyfriend has a clear expression at being caught by his girlfriend.

Now, when I prompted it to give me a version of the meme, it gave me one where the boyfriend does look distracted.

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Again, it has actually got a bloody perspective on the whole thing and that is actually impressive.

If you remember, in the original meme, the boyfriend is confidently staring at the other girl, here the boyfriend is coyly sneaking a peek - which is actually closer to real life.

And you think all it does is "picture of two women and man standing in roughly these positions"
Hoever, in the example image in the article (which the OP is referring to), the boyfriend is not even looking remotely closely at the other girl.
 
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"As we talk about in our model spec, we think putting this intellectual freedom and control in the hands of users is the right thing to do, but we will observe how it goes and listen to society," Altman wrote on X.

They have stolen intellectual property at a scale never seen before and now play the role of creative savior. Bunch of hypocrites, really. The tech is impressive, but only if you forget where they get their data from.
Saying that Altman/OpenAI is playing the role of creative savior is excessively charitable--they're playing God. Altman observed how it went and listened to society and then ignored everyone and stole the internet's content. Even had the temerity to suggest it was necessary for them to do so. What a farce.

It's not being made more accessible, it's only introducing more perverse incentives.
I think this is exactly right. 100% agree.
 
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wildsman

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Hoever, in the example image in the article (which the OP is referring to), the boyfriend is not even looking remotely closely at the other girl.
Two things:

1. In the example image in the article, it looks like the boyfriend is actually looking back nervously at his girlfriend (having been caught).

2. As my image shows, the model is perfectly capable of producing the right expressions - it isn't an inherent limitation.
 
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If anything, what AI will do is raise the bar for entry for all professions. Artists/programmers/every other profession will still exist, they will just have to be exceptional, like they used to be in the past...

What that will mean for those below the bar.... not sure yet.... but probably nothing good until [...]
I still have very mixed feelings on the future of AI in creative and professional endeavors, but from this point on "raising the bar" I have to ask: How do people people get the practice and experience to become "exceptional" if all the demand for entry-level effort has been consumed by a "good enough" AI?

Where does the next generation of Senior Programmers and Senior Artists come from if there is no pipeline of Junior Programmers and Junior Artists?
 
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KungFuJoe

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The little black and white pup is missing a white stripe (or is missing a black patch, depending on how you look at it) on it's right side in the generated image.

Anyway, I'm not interested in this tech anymore. We are rapidly losing the fight against all the text and voice scams. The visual scams will just wreck us.

edit: added words

I'm wondering how long it takes before the first person is convicted of a crime by virtue of evidence in the form of fabricated A.I. imagery or video. A.I. audio is it's own issue as well.

It feels like for every upside there are multiple downsides. It's disappointing, to say the least.

I was hoping for more of a Star Trek TNG future, what with the one piece jumpsuits and all, not some dystopian Snow Crash crypto bro fever dream. And yet, here we are.
 
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wildsman

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If I laid out flesh and bones into something shaped somewhat like a person I wouldn’t be making a real human, just like if someone makes a computer program that looks somewhat like it’s conscious, they’re not making a conscious computer program.
Right - and may I know how you can ever tell the difference between a conscious person and a computer program that pretends to be?

Douglas Hofstadter, the godfather of cognitive science, who literally wrote the book on this recently admitted that he was wrong and that LLMs do have some sort of consciousness.

Now, for my part, I don't know (and I don't really care) if they do or they don't but I know that dismissing their output like I presume to understand the essence of consciousness is not the right answer.
 
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Notably absent: Any mention of the artists and graphic designers whose jobs might be affected by this technology. As we covered throughout 2022 and 2023, job impact is still a top concern among critics of AI-generated graphics.
What's also notably absent is how much it costs openAI to A) develop and B) run this model. OpenAI spent $9 billion in 2024 to make $4b, a net loss of $5 billion. There is a good argument that a significant fraction of their costs is not just building the models, but running them also. That implies that they are losing money with each user, even those with paid subscriptions. Increasing the user base does not help that issue, only charging more or reducing costs dramatically would help.

My point is that you could pay armies of illustrators and copy editors for $5 billion a year, and those people certainly provide more original styles and content than any generative AI. There is no way that OpenAI will replace anybody unless they fix this problem.
 
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Caring about this at all, feels like a luxury problem right now. Yet it's still another background phenomenon quietly marching on and undermining some of the stuff that underpins a functioning free democratic society.

Climate change is also marching on...gaining in strenght faster and faster to shark-bite us in the back sooner rather than later.

But just about everything is currently overwhelmed and covered up by the shiny evil Trumpistan clownshow, isn't it?
You can care about this because it makes climate change much worse and enables Trumpism to spread propaganda
 
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I'm not even going to go into the sex-related issues here but it seems wrong that these two aspects are included in just a few sentences instead of being broken out into their own articles. The automated attack on visual designers and artists is just as much an issue with this sort of laissez-faire capitalist environment as the "opt-out" requirement for anyone who doesn't want push-button representations of themselves. They're both exploitative and gross, and neither one is actually necessary to advance AI technology (even just generative AI technology). Yet by making these default, virtually every AI startup and player has already set fire to any discussion of safeguards and consideration. ...
Err, what?

I suggest you re-read the text that you quoted. It says that the safeguards are still in place, not that anybody has set fire to them.
 
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Miyazaki's quote ("I strongly feel that this is an insult to life itself") is exactly right, and underscores just how obscene this whole thing is, especially the Ghibli-style meme generator.
One of the biggest horrors is that it destroys-by-proxy. Rarity is a quality, that gets obliterated once this machine starts putting out "80% facsimiles" by the hundreds of thousands. The originals drown in them, and get diluted out of existence together with the ability to savour the style.

It's all so tragic...
 
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hel1kx

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Yes, humans were bad at perspective too, and they mimicked it the best they could, like AI image generators, until they understood how vanishing points work. Probably some day AI will understand perspective or at least be able to approximate it close enough that we can't tell. But in the meantime, I'm still questioning why we're spending so much money and resources on it. What's the end use?
 
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