OnePlus 12 gets $800 US release along with the interesting $500 OnePlus 12R
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Similarly, I've got multiple full-frame Canon bodies, bags full of fast primes and L zooms, but these almost never come out anymore unless I'm being paid to shoot something. But I still carry around a Sony RX100 iii, which is, quite frankly, an amazing camera that does fit in a pocket and is worlds better as a versatile photographic tool than even the best smartphone cameras I've used (my daily right now is most often a Samsung S23U, which is generally considered to be top-tier when it comes to its cameras).
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same exact thing here. It'll focus, and then decide, nah, that bunny over there is definitely suppose to look blurry.
I have a manual adjustment button on my default camera app. I tap it and it lets me manually change focus and other settings. For some reason I can't take a screenshot of my camera app.
yea, but like, the image quality doesn't matter all that much on personal photos. Its more about either quickly showing someone something (I'm at the store, which one of these do you want?) or to save a memory, like photos at a vacation spot.
There is a point where image quality fulfills those needs perfectly fine, and higher resolution just doesn't really matter.
Here is are photos I took in 2016 with a $60 phone
They look fine! Yes, low light photos were much worse back then, but in half decent lighting, the photos looked perfectly fine.
The question I have is; at what point does improved quality no longer have meaningful impact for you? In my view, unless you have a photography hobby or job, then I see no real improvement in usefulness in a $60 phone camera vs a $800+ phone camera.
meh. I hate some of the face smoothing and such. It makes people look weird. I do somewhat agree though, but in some ways its good, but in some ways its bad. I feel kinda 50/50 about it.
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Our family has been in the photo business for 3 generations. I learned pretty quickly that taking pictures on vacation when you want both the subject (kids, significant others) and the background in focus works a lot better with a phone camera than a full frame DSLR. The smaller phone camera sensors have much larger depth of field. Often times I'll have the camera on my shoulder and will still pull out the phone to take the picture.
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The A54 is weak compared to just buying an A53, if you can still find one on sale. The hardware is basically the same (same GPU, moved two smaller cores to bigger ones) and all you lose is one OS upgrade.
The difference in hardware is truly staggering though when you compare to something like the 12R. I recently went looking for a phone to do some emulation and gaming on, first thought was a midrange phone. But the difference in raw GPU power is something like 5-10 times between a flagship and a midrange, sometimes more. We're talking more than the difference between a 4060 and a 4090.
I ended up with a $US200 Snapdragon 888+ based phone with an OLED screen. The lack of OS upgrades sucks but it's for playing games at home so I'm not too fussed.
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Agree! I've been shooting pictures since the late 70's. Film, then switched to d-slr. Yeah, the best camera is the one you have with you when you want to take a photo, but, if I'm going out to PURPOSELY take photos, I'm sure not going to count on a super tiny smartphone camera sensor. I'll take my backpack with my camera, lenses etc.
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Yeah, but the SoC in the OnePlus really does beat up on the Exynos in the A54, and the Qualcomm modem is vastly superior to the Samsung.
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Sony makes phones, though. If they could build a cutting-edge "quick results" stack they absolutely would. All you need to do to see that they can't keep up is look at a comparison between Sony phone cameras and iPhones or especially Pixels. The pixels usually use Sony-manufactured sensors--worse ones than the Sony flagship phones, even--but the pictures are visibly better because Sony doesn't have that kind of in-house expertise.
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lmao .
sony does have the in house expert.
but it used else where that makes far more money for them.
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? My GFX 100S can easily exposure bracket and stack. My OM-1 has computational features that phones don’t (LiveND64, LiveComposite, in camera macro focus stacking, HHHR, pre-burst, etc). If your camera can’t do things your phone can, you bought the wrong camera. Post processing is trivial with modern software. DxO has great presets for most use cases.
Where the phone wins is workflow. It’s so much easier to shoot and directly upload to your platform of choice with a phone.
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Do people really find carrying a camera such a chore? I have a 7 L Wotancraft that goes with me everywhere (when not at work). My GFX 100S, 35-70 and EF 35 f2 IS on an adapter are almost always in the bag. The bag also has my Kobo Clara, sunglasses, wallet, keys, facial tissue, tide 2 go, reusable shopping bag, and other miscellaneous things.
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Yeah, it’s absurd to assert that the largest photographic semiconductor company with a camera that has a global shutter and the most advanced autofocus on the planet doesn’t have the in-house expertise. Sony doesn’t spend money on their Xperia software because, they quite frankly, don’t care.
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Pulling out a mirrorless camera will mark you out as a tourist whereas a phone snapper could be a visitor or a local who's just admiring the light. I've got mirrorless bodies and DSLRs in a dry box - I bring them out once a year for special occasions but almost all my pictures are taken on smartphones now.
I consider my Nokia 808 to have the best smartphone camera still. The optics, massive sensor and image processing gave it phenomenal detail but the lack of dynamic range is a big letdown. For me, the latest iPhone Pro models or Samsung S23 Ultra beats the 808 but it's taken twelve years to get this far.
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...or...your'e just a photographer. I've carried a camera with me since 2007. I enjoy photography and it's something that is always on me. Sometimes it's tiny like the Panasonic GM5 or GR IIIx. Sometimes it's bigger like the GFX 100S or Pixii. However, I always have one with me and likely will until I die.
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Wait, hold the phone — how much ram? 12 GB to start, a 16 GB upgrade, and 24 GB for the top of the line model? This is not a phone spec I've paid attention to lately, and these amounts sound absurd. Surely running Genshin Impact inside of WeChat isn't this costly? I know it's stupid that a Macbook Air still starts with 8 GB ram, and I regret my choice every day. But I still expect this laptop will run lots of fairly inefficient programs at the same time for many years to come. A Samsung S24 Ultra has "only" 12 GB ram and it can run Dex, a PS5 has 16 GB.
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Android phones have been creeping the RAM up for years. Even an LG G8 from 2019 with a Snapdragon 855 had 6 GB/128 GB as a standard configuration. Almost all Android with Snapdragon 865 came with 8 GB standard (so 2020 flagships). Apple has been and continues to be the only company who skimps on RAM for $1k+ devices.
Edit: Add: So iPhone 14 Pro has same quantity of RAM as 2019 Android SD 855 and iPhone 15 Pro has same quantity as 2020 SD865 based phones. Obviously the iPhones have newer faster LPDDR5x compared to the LPDDR4 from back then. But the capacity is the same.
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Small warning there, don't use soapy water. I learned that the hard way. There are ingress points even in an ip68 phone to allow air pressure to equalize. That's fine with water's high surface tension, but cut that with soap and it can get in. Learned that the hard way when I noticed some moisture on my camera lens and ended up taking the phone apart to dry it.
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I'm not complaining, I'm just shocked! DRAM prices have been going up lately. Teslas have 8–20 GB, and that's so you can have the car sort of drive itself while you play Genshin Impact on the infotainment! I want to know what you can do on a phone that could use 24 GB of ram! (Exclamation points are cheap, and it's still possible to have too many of them!)
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During launch the galaxy phones are really cheap, i got my s24 256gb for $500 cad. There was an $135 educational discount that anyone can sign up for, $100 voucher from Samsung if you signed up a month before launch and a $450 trade in bonus is you traded in a galaxy s6 and up phone in any condition. I had an old s8 with a ballooned battery i traded in.
You just can't beat these Samsung deals. Even Apple has nothing like this let alone oneplus.
You just can't beat these Samsung deals. Even Apple has nothing like this let alone oneplus.
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That phone had enough RAM to run a lightly quantized large language model with 13 or 20 billion parameters.
Are RAM modules on mainboards still a thing on flagship phones or is RAM built into the chip package like with Apple's M chips?
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I bought my wife a similar camera. $1200 point and shoot Sony (can't remember which model, it was 5 years ago) with optical zoom. It's either in her purse or clipped to her pant loop, so she has it pretty much all the time. It's great and has been used a lot over the years.
While having a phone camera is better than nothing, I have a Pixel 6 and I hate that I can't adjust any settings and frankly almost none of the pictures come out looking like real life. Over saturated (not as bad as iPhone but still..) and the light and colors are all wrong pretty much all the time. It's fine for taking a quick snap of a steak to send to friends but it's not even close to being an accurate representation. It's what Google thinks you want your picture to look like, not what it actually looks like. Makes me miss my Nokia win phone. My OnePlus (until ATT basically bricked it) had a much more realistic camera and I could adjust settings to get things at least somewhat close to what it looked like in real life. MP isn't everything.
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correct. it one of those. are phone sell well in this 1 area. not any where else anymore. their a reason wht their line of phones dont sell well in most countries
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Sony makes phones for the same reason that Microsoft makes Surface devices: they want a technical showcase for other OEMs. Sony doesn't make the Xperia Pro-I to challenge the big boys of the phone world. They make it so they can point at it and say "see that kick ass sensor tech that you could have?" and hope Apple or Samsung put in an order for a couple million sensors.
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Probably not by an appreciable amount. I think it was Crucial who stated that going from 8 GB to 16 GB of RAM was an additional few watts of consumption under load and memory is ~5% of total phone power draw at any point in time. Most of the consumption is going to be from the memory controller anyways. Given how much better iOS is with memory management, I'd happily pay the 1% or whatever battery life penalty for a better user experience.
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the internal hardware looks good, but i hate that camera housing. it's hideous. the rog 8 has the same problem. 
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There are legitimate criticisms of OnePlus phones. Some of the manufacturing defects are pretty eye opening.
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I use my 23 Ultra as my primary camera. It takes excellent photos of my kids etc. I then use those photos to purchase physical prints from the google photos store, all on the same device. I never use instagram.
It's also faster than a mid tier phone with better performance. Which means you can keep it longer.
It has a better display, easier to use in bright lights and easier on the eyes
It supports Wifi 6E (and technically 7 also)
It has Dex. which I use from time to time.
It's worth paying extra for that for my use case.
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Double rec for the comment about wanting more reasonably sized phones. Although my case, I finally broke down and moved to Apple because I wanted premium cameras (including telephoto) in a normal sized phone. My iPhone 14 is the same body size as my prior Pixel 5, which was my best Android phone with good features albeit lacking telephoto and even with Google camera wizardry struggled to match just having better sensors and bigger lenses (although maybe the latest Pixel phones remedy that albeit with only a large body size for the telephoto lens).
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In the past (back old days of OnePlus 6) it was possible to buy a Oneplus in China and use it with International OxygenOS without any restrictions or need to unlock (in contrast to Xiaomi that requires unlocking) . Oneplus 11 introduced regions, effectively preventing you from buying a phone in China and using it abroad. Does anyone know if Oneplus 12 will keep this region lock?
I personally refuse to pay a premium when buying a phone overseas just because they can. If they want to earn more money, they should do it the other way around: offer the 1TB version only overseas and charge a premium for it. But the way they do it, I'll vote with my wallet.
I personally refuse to pay a premium when buying a phone overseas just because they can. If they want to earn more money, they should do it the other way around: offer the 1TB version only overseas and charge a premium for it. But the way they do it, I'll vote with my wallet.
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I owned 2 OnePlus phones in the past and their image processing is simply sub-par. It is servicable for daytime photos that you'd share over social media but definitely not for creating memories. The low light photography is simply abysmal and they are well behind in computational photography. You'd find images being shared that seem to look good, but you find out how poor it is when you take it alongside an iPhone or Pixel.
OnePlus established its base by catering to the spec-obsessed market in Asia, especially China and India. This includes consumers who only purchase the device because it has a SD 8 Gen 3 or xx GB RAM with no consideration of the OS, support, privacy, image processing. It might end up doing better in these markets, especially with Samsung going for Exynos in the Asian markets with the S24.
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