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    3070 to 5070ti is a 95% perf uplift so yes, I imagine those people would be just fine with that upgrade. I would be. Of course the 70ti is a completely different tier-- the 5070 is the same tier, and it sucks at 51%.

    Even the 9070XT is a 79% uplift which is nothing wonderful, but not terrible. It's closer tier alignment also.

    The problem with blackwell isn't that it offers no upgrades, it's that you really need to jump up a tier to make upgrading remotely worthwhile when compared to what we used to get after two generations. I have a 3080 and the 5090 would be a very worthwhile upgrade for me, based on performance. It's also close to three times the price, and that's at MSRP.
     
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    STR3T said:
    I do keep saying it because it's true. You're likely pushing 4k if not multi-monitors? Majority are still 1080p and then 2k...still light % user base is 4k(+).
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    4k output, but output resolution is increasingly less of a factor in how much performance you get in new games. The difference between DLSS Performance and DLSS Quality on my setup in AC Shadows is less than 20fps, despite going from slightly higher than 1080p to almost 4k render resolution.

    That said, after more research AC Shadows just seems pretty broken graphically. I had to use SpecialK to unlock the cutscenes framerate from 30 fps, and that led to learning that by default Reflex is apparently completely broken (the SpecialK dev says they code is just missing from the game), the in-game framerate cap doesn't work properly (they ignored the Nvidia Streamline documentation), and there are issues where sometimes DLSS and maybe other settings just decide to stop working after playing a while and performance drops to sub 30fps. With SpecialK it can run smoothly with framegen at 120, until it just decides not to. A reload ifxes it, so it's not a specific area of the game. It's strange and disappointing, since when it's working it's one of the best framegen implimentations I have tried, I can't tell it's framegen at all.

    I'm also still pretty shocked at how average it looks even with RT GI and Anvil's version of Nanite LoD tech. There's certainly a lot of geometry thrown on screen, and you can tell the lighting is much better in A/B comparisons with no RT, but it just ends up looking pretty average and "generic 2015s game) most of the time. The faces and character animations are also very 2010. It's been 3 years since Horizon FW released, having terrible models talking stiffly back and forth is unacceptable in a AAA game.
     
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    Xavin said:
    4k output, but output resolution is increasingly less of a factor in how much performance you get in new games. The difference between DLSS Performance and DLSS Quality on my setup in AC Shadows is less than 20fps, despite going from slightly higher than 1080p to almost 4k render resolution.

    That said, after more research AC Shadows just seems pretty broken graphically. I had to use SpecialK to unlock the cutscenes framerate from 30 fps, and that led to learning that by default Reflex is apparently completely broken (the SpecialK dev says they code is just missing from the game), the in-game framerate cap doesn't work properly (they ignored the Nvidia Streamline documentation), and there are issues where sometimes DLSS and maybe other settings just decide to stop working after playing a while and performance drops to sub 30fps. With SpecialK it can run smoothly with framegen at 120, until it just decides not to. A reload ifxes it, so it's not a specific area of the game. It's strange and disappointing, since when it's working it's one of the best framegen implimentations I have tried, I can't tell it's framegen at all.

    I'm also still pretty shocked at how average it looks even with RT GI and Anvil's version of Nanite LoD tech. There's certainly a lot of geometry thrown on screen, and you can tell the lighting is much better in A/B comparisons with no RT, but it just ends up looking pretty average and "generic 2015s game) most of the time. The faces and character animations are also very 2010. It's been 3 years since Horizon FW released, having terrible models talking stiffly back and forth is unacceptable in a AAA game.
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    I feel like Ubisoft is sort of checking boxes at this point with no artistic direction or passion. All of the tech in the world doesn't help if you're shining dull light on a dull world.

    As an open-world alternative on game pass, I find Avowed to be vibrant and gorgeous with its utilization of Nanite and Lumen at a very solid frame rate. I remember when I first saw lumen on Fortnite and wondered how the tech could ever run in real time on a more complex game. But now I'm getting triple-digit FPS in a detailed world. It's a rollicking good time, though you'll see more of that character stiffness that you mention and that we experienced in Outer Worlds.

    But man oh man does it not scale down well. My 3060 laptop GPU and it's CPU scream for more power.
     
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    redleader said:
    ... It'd be a lot cheaper to just fix the plastic connectors so they don't melt. ...
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    This.

    It's really unfortunate that the attempt to update the power 8 pin power connectors, made it worse, not better.

    One of the recent video's I've seen on this ( I think it was Buildzoid) pointed out that the actual standard dictates that the 6 power wires are immediately ganged together on the board, making any kind of per pin monitoring or limiting impossible.

    The Asus Astral actually violates the standard to give per pin monitoring.
     
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    io-waiter said:
    Isn’t the key issue that the GPUs need to use insane amounts of power to deliver the desired performance targets?
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    The older PCI-e power connector standard in 8-pin (2x-4pin) configuration supported up to 300W, and two of them were often used on a single GPU, giving up to 600W.... which is the same as one 12v-2x6. So I think the goal is less space on the PCB...
     
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    continuum said:
    The older PCI-e power connector standard in 8-pin (2x-4pin) configuration supported up to 300W, and two of them were often used on a single GPU, giving up to 600W.... which is the same as one 12v-2x6. So I think the goal is less space on the PCB...
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    On the GPU side, it's only 150W/8pin connector, so you need 4 of them for 600W, which makes the space saving argument even more likely.
     
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    Newegg Shuffle today!

    Selection window is 8am to 10am PDT
    Notification window is 12pm PDT
    Buying window is 12pm to 2pm PDT

    MSRP offerings:

    MSI 5070 Shadow - $549
    Asus Prime 5070 Ti - $749


    Everything else:

    nVidia :

    MSI 5070 Ti Ventus - $829
    Gigabyte Aorus 5070 Ti - $999

    MSI 5080 Ventus White - $1379

    MSI 5090 Gaming Trio - $2699
    Asus ROG Astral 5090 - $3359


    AMD :

    PowerColor 9070 Reaper - $599
    Sapphre Pulse 9070 - $669
    Gigabyte Gaming 9070 - $669

    ASRock Steel Legend 9070 XT - $669
    PowerColor 9070 XT Reaper - $699
    Gigabyte Gaming 9070 XT - $729 (x3 8-pin)
    PowerColor Hellhound 9070 XT - $759
    XFX Mercury 9070 XT - $799 (x3 8-pin)


    A weird set of prices for AMD, with the ASRock Steel Legend 9070 XT being the same price as two 9070 cards. I'd say this is what their new pricing is post-MSRP announcement, but the Steel Legend 9070 (still out of stock) is listed at $639. It would have to be $619 to match the +$70 for larger cooler and RGB stuff of the XT version.

    Note that if you're going for a 9070 XT and want to overclock, you'll most likely want a x3 8-pin if you want to go beyond ~340W. You'll need 3rd party tools to do so as the driver is limited to +10% power limit.
     
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    It looks like some 5070 Ti cards in stock at Memory Express in Canada, including the Gigabyte Windforce card which is $1230 CAD, or one can pay $50 more for the Gigabyte Eagle version which has a slightly better cooler? Maybe?

    With the 9070 XT from the same manufacturer listing for $960 CAD at the same retailer and occasionally popping in stock, or a Sapphire card that's just below $1100, the 9070 XT does seem to be a pretty solid value compared to the 5070 Ti assuming that one doesn't need CUDA or primarily play games that the 9070 XT is weak at (Black Myth: Wukong comes to mind). But, holy shit, I spent $1,000 taxes in on a motherboard/CPU/RAM combo in January, and these cards are this expensive BEFORE GST and PST are added.
     
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    ethancarterpro said:
    It would be great if the upcoming GPUs included some with slot-powered cards. The RX 6400 and RTX 3050 6GB offer pretty poor value. My RX 6600 stays under 100W most of the time, and honestly, even getting the same performance from an RX 6600 that uses less than 75W would still be fine.
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    Not sure you are going to have much luck. NVIDIA is rumored to be launching a RTX 5050 but it's also rumored to be 125-150w range for power. Maybe some repeat of the 3050 6gb will give a 5050 that runs on bus power but I wouldn't hold my breath.

    On the AMD side I'm pretty sure they'd just rather you use one of there G processors with embedded graphics. Stix halo and similar APUs have very capable graphics and should match or exceed what you can get in a discrete card.

    Low end and especially bus powered cards seems to be a vanishing market that is getting eaten by iGPUs.
     
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    Demento said:
    I was going to say that a used 4060ti is near to a 100% uplift, but damn they've spiked a bit on Ebay. They are not the cheap option any more!
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    The 3060 Ti lacks DLSS3 frame generation support, but it's also about the same performance in most gaming workloads compared to the 4060 Ti. I haven't looked too closely at used prices since I already have one, but it might be a bit more affordable? I see them selling locally for $300-$350 CAD.
     
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    evan_s said:
    Low end and especially bus powered cards seems to be a vanishing market that is getting eaten by iGPUs.
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    I noted this when looking for a single slot low profile card, pickings are low and expensive.

    The iGPUs can run up to 50 watts or so and with technology advances and potential partnerships PC/PC gaming may soon be SoC territory for most people. Only the purists with 8K monitors will need a 6090, and even then, it could be built into the monitor with a datalink to the SoC gaming PC.

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    I was going to say that a used 4060ti is near to a 100% uplift, but damn they've spiked a bit on Ebay. They are not the cheap option any more!
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    Video cards have been the biggest bottleneck since I started the W11 refresh upgrades/builds last fall. Availability of the new generation cards from the major manufacturers at near msrp prices have been nil since at least December. I've been doing almost daily checks since then; the lower tiers of the previous generations are the only cards close to msrp that are generally available.

    My interest may wane on the card front since: "Congrats! You’ve Been Selected In The Newegg Shuffle" for an msrp 5070 Ti. This will finally complete my daily driver build which I started months ago.
     
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    richleader said:
    I'm randomly curious as to how long we've all been saying "uplift" -- everyone acts like it's been forever but for some reason it feels artificial to me.
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    Derived from David Brin's "Uplift" novels of the 80s and 90s?

    Granted, that was in the context of organic sapience (massively simplifying, genetic engineering/selective breeding to bring species like chimps and dolphins to human-level intelligence), but the word would translate over to computers pretty cleanly.
     
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    Bezoar said:
    Availability of the new generation cards from the major manufacturers at near msrp prices have been nil since at least December.
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    We normally have slim pickings between Thanksgiving and Q2 of the following year.

    You were supposed to buy during "Black Friday" - October to mid-November. Cards did not restock after the Black Friday sales period.
     
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    ethancarterpro said:
    It would be great if the upcoming GPUs included some with slot-powered cards. The RX 6400 and RTX 3050 6GB offer pretty poor value. My RX 6600 stays under 100W most of the time, and honestly, even getting the same performance from an RX 6600 that uses less than 75W would still be fine.
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    Cards that can be powered by the bus are pretty much dead at this point since APUs can handle the low to low-medium graphics. Up until very recently the pretty old APU in the SteamDeck could handle basically every new game in some kind of playable fashion. Most of the bottom tier GPUs have pretty much been scams for years anyway, absolutely awful performance for the price. IMO you really need to be going for a XX60 level or above GPU for a discrete card to make any sense.
     
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    ethancarterpro said:
    It would be great if the upcoming GPUs included some with slot-powered cards. The RX 6400 and RTX 3050 6GB offer pretty poor value. My RX 6600 stays under 100W most of the time, and honestly, even getting the same performance from an RX 6600 that uses less than 75W would still be fine.
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    OT.

    I was wondering why this seemed familiar. Then I looked at the second comment in this thread.
     
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