More than 376,000 Tesla Model Y, Model 3s have faulty steering
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Don't worry, the half of the population who'll think badly of you won't actually do anything, while the people who are prone to abuse and violence will cheer you on.
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Tesla owner here...the car really is a P.O.S. It's noisy inside, cheaply made. Mine's had over a dozen service appointments in 5 years (all under warrany). The only thing I like about it is that - so far -- it's been a cheap-to-operate commuter appliance, since I charge at home. Otherwise, I'd dump it.
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With a population of 170, I doubt that Moscow, Texas has any sufficiently tall buildings. They'd have to make do... in 1652 the Mughal Empire general Adham Khan was defenestrated, but the window wasn't high enough (his legs were broken). They had to carry him back up to the top and do it again.
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I think the article should be updated to remove the incorrect assertion at the top " caused 570 crashes ".
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Not to mention that modern cars are 2x-3x heavier than old cars without power steering. My first car didn't have power steering and it was totally fine while driving, but required a bit of effort maneuvering at parking lot speeds. I've never experienced a power steering failure but I imagine the effort would be a lot higher than those old cars.
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What if the reporting is wrong and there were actually 0 crashes.
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EVs are heavier, but (at least in the U.S.) ICEs are often pretty similar in weight to their pre-power-steering predecessors.
My mom and I had this discussion once and looked up the weight of the Buick she learned to drive in, which was a mid-tier family car at the time that seated five, and then looked up the weight of a contemporary mid-tier Buick SUV that seats five. They were within about 10% of being the same weight, with the older one a little heavier.
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That might be a bit of an American thing... my first car weighed 1,017kg. You can't get a shopping cart that light anymore.
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Exactly. The power steering in my car went out recently, and while it meets a definition of "driveable", it by no means is safe to drive at any speed. The steering effort is extremely heavy, and every turn ends up being wider than you think it was, requiring last-second He-Man effort to further turn the wheel and avoid hitting things. Fortunately I have access to another car so I wasn't forced to drive mine until I get it into the dealership.
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No, from discussing with someone who has it, the engine restarts if you jog the wheel too hard to resume (potentially feather-light) power steering function. Of course, since it immediately restarts on detection, then you should be good since you're not moving without also triggering an engine restart. Hybrids presumably have enough power that the engine is immaterial to power steering.
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Right - that's why I was waiting and then once I had a clear gap I tried to crank the wheel then accelerate. Except it wouldn't turn because the start-stop shut off the engine. Then suddenly went super easy as I was putting all my strength into "shit gotta deal with this and get safely out of the road" when it restarted.
I've only driven 1 vehicle that had any kind of start-stop and I hated that thing. Glad it was a rental. Also had mad lag when putting your foot down from a stop to pull out in heavy traffic.
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Most cars I've driven with start/stop would start the engine if you so much as thought about coming off the brake. You can pre-emptively start the engine by just applying slightly less pressure on the brake pedal.
I think Toyotas have felt a little sluggish in getting restarted, but then Toyotas generally feel pretty sluggish all the time so maybe it had nothing to do with the start/stop.
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Also if you've driven many junkers you kinda freak every time it stops
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According to Elon, the problem is that we think there’s a problem. Can’t argue with logic that air-tight.
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How is that guy doing these days anyway? He dead or insane yet?
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used to drive a couple propane converted ford 250s pickups (definitely junkers)Also if you've driven many junkers you kinda freak every time it stops
- these were true ‘farm trucks’ conversions (one was a using agricultural pcb irrigation pipe that I had to refill at night as stations would ban me if they saw it)
- there generally isn’t a tank meter that works for any length of time so you had to always carry a cup of hot water or coffee out with you partly to pour down side of tank (so condensation would tell you its level) and partly to pour on and warm up the heat exchanger - basically a double spiral that used engine exhaust to preheat the incoming propane
- anyway the point is this was unreliable and as you were driving this truck because you were broke you often ran tank near empty
I literally got out to see if I had damaged the road under the engine the first couple times it happened
in an busy intersection during traffic - its terrifying
generally the shockwave would loosen up some of the frozen gas from the tank and you’ll be able to move again in a minute or two - but now face the issue of how do you refill your tank miles from the nearest propane dispenser as no mobile roadside service/tow truck would touch your very questionable vehicle
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Ah. Since I unfortunately see reckless Tesla drivers trying to hurt others on a near daily basis I didn’t realize it was a joke. These things would definitely be safer if they failed more.
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they abandoned him after the probe stopped working
they can’t do operation again so they just move on to next test subject
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The range on a real-world cybertruck load is about its EPA range because real world cybertruck loads are an office worker maybe with groceries or a kid going to soccer.
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Being pasteurized in a sous-vide would be an absolutely brutal way to go
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Didn't know that, thx. I used a propane flame weeder and freaked everyone out by melting the ice off the tank.
As long as you stop before it explodes it's safe.
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For a new purchase, definitely, but if he already owns a Tesla he probably is doing more good for the world by costing them money under warranty claims than helping the Musk administration’s economic figures with a new car sale.
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To add to this, the driver's first response would likely be panic, thinking their car is broken, or that they've done something wrong.
It's one thing to suddenly have no power steering. It's another thing to not be expecting it, or have any idea what's going on.
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I've not, but I could see that happening.Also if you've driven many junkers you kinda freak every time it stops
I also have a few coworkers who've had business rental where the car dies not restarting in the middle of gridlock heavy traffic on them...and now those people are really anxious about cars with start-stop.
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I dunno, it still says at the top of the article " So far, it has resulted in more than 3,000 warranty claims and caused 570 crashes, according to Tesla and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration."
But really it's 570 "field reports" and 0 crashes according to the primary source doc from NHTSA.
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The steering box and gearing in modern cars with power steering are completely different than the 60's muscle cars with manual steering.
For reference, a 1966 Chevelle SS was about 3370# and the current gen Camaro SS is 3900#. Not much weight difference, but the steering ratio for a manual Chevelle was about 4:1 lock to lock and a power steering unit was about 2.3:1 lock to lock in a modern Camaro.
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