Just had to share this little anecdotte... <P>Today I needed to read a Mac Zip disk (stupid graphic artists... View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) Thankfully it's not a common occurance - anyway, I went to one of the two macs in my office - a Powermac 9600/300 running OS 8.6<P>Turned it on. Waited for 5 minutes for it to boot up. Finally everything was loaded and ready to go. Inserted my zip disc. The Mac locked up tight. Couldn't do a thing. Did a hard reboot - now it won't boot at all... don't even get to the smiley face. Can't get the zip disk out, because someone in their infinite wisdom decided that the Mac disk drives don't need an eject button. (and no, the "emergency" eject button, or whatever it's called, doesn't work at all).<P>Phooey on Macs...
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you sir r a retard....if you don't know how to get a disk out of a mac, you should not be touching them. Now take your sad trolling ass out of here.<P>And your reference to graphic designers is quite offensive, I doubt you could create(DP) anything of worth even if you tried your hardest. Now GDs use there computer as a tool, they don't get off on the hardware, they use it to make money...a lot more than I can say for the PC gamers/enthusist out there(you know who u r) . <P>By the way, I could help u suss out the issues, but I think I'll let you suss it, after all you seem like a Stupid PC git who doesn't know shit.<BR>
Happy Aardvark said:<P>"Now GDs use there computer as a tool, they don't get off on the hardware, they use it to make money...a lot more than I can say for the PC gamers/enthusist out there(you know who u r) ."<P>Hmm. A few days ago, I got the new edition of the four-color glossy flyer I designed in the mail.<P>I created it on the PC I built myself.<P>I enjoy playing games.<P>What, according to you, am I doing wrong?
Venture, don't get me wrong, I know there r pc user who do that, also there r mac users to. I imagine though, you a one of small group of people, that attend this site. It was laner statement that shitted me. By the same token he was saying that u were stupid...you see my point View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<P>
Do you know how hard it is to actually hit a fly with a 2x4? I tried for like 3 hours once on a mission trip.
well aren't you a little touchy? i think he was just mentioning the mac using graphics artist as a joke. (please note the smiley face afterwards)<P>his main point was...<P>1. a mac takes 5 minutes to boot up.<P>2. a mac crashed because he inserted a disk (and i'm almost positive at one point or another a mac has crashed because we have inserted a disk).<P>3. macs don't have an eject button<P>that's what i extracted from his story.<P>also, the list of people who "should not be touching them" has just gotten longer. now it includes<P>1. people who can't get a disk out of a computer (pc people almost never have this problem)<P>2. people who play games<P>3. people who want a good consumer level 3d card<P>4. people who don't depend on their computer for a livelihood<P>5. people who want to do more than one thing at a time<P>6. people who want to be able to use more than one cpu at a time<P>7. people who are handicapped<P>wow, what a bunch of elitist snobs.<BR>
Well guess what? I'm one of those mac based grapho's... not a techo by any means BUT I do know that lack of smiley face = can't find a disc with a system on it, so it probably has nothing to do with the ZIP disc and everything to do with a dead hard drive. Of course PC drives never fail so it must be the mac's fault.<P><BR>Also macs mostly take a long time to boot if they have hefty amounts of RAM to address (by default mac's will go through and check all the RAM each time you boot up, and a quicker RAM test after a restart. I believe this process can be switched off if desired)... but I would imagine that if the boot disc was feeling sick this may also account for any unusually long start up time.<P>I've used a lot of NT workstations as well as macs, and had far more trouble with them than the Apple machines, however I try not to draw too many conclusions based on anecdotal evidence... this Laney fellow should do the same. Imagine if every negative Windows (wether it was the OS's fault or not) was accompanied by a damning post here? It'd get to be a pretty full forum, eh? And as for taking it all a bit seriously, try making an anti NT or Linux or Be "humorous" comment and see how good natured and jolly the replies are...<BR>
Goofball, try using a sword instead. See if you can nail them with it while they're in the air. I find that this is much more satisfying, because if you miss them, well, you're trying to cut a fly out of the air with a sword... what do you expect? And if you hit them, well, damn, you just cut a fly out of the air with a sword!
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I have shot a dragonfly with a BB gun. I am not joking here. Yes, the dragonfly was flying, too. I was rather proud of myself... View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
9600s had 12 DIMM slots -- if that thing was maxed out, and ones in Graphic design often are, the Ram check alone could take a few minutes.<P>Of course, there was probably something wrong with the Hard drive or the System install. (And of course that never happens to Windows, does it?)<P>You have to admit, though that the 9600 was a sweet machine for it's time. Up to 350 MHz 604e (or dual in some configurations, or maybe that was just with a 3rd party card -- don't remember) 6 PCI slots, all the usual onboard stuff (ethernet, scsi, etc) -- definitely a powerhouse workstation for graphics design.<P>The G3s were almost a downgrade from there. Nay, for some people they definitely were a downgrade -- the people who needed 6 PCI slots, serious FPU crunching, or Lotsa RAM.
9600/9600MP were the best desktops that Apple made in the last five or so years relative to what was available at the time IMO. Too bad they were so pricey and still are for used ones. And performance wise, it took them over a year to get G3's that got real world benchmarks as good as the 9600s, and without some of the other features. <P>Just think of a PowerMac with an evolved 9600 style motherboard with an enlarged G4 case, 12 PC133 slots, 133Mhz system bus, 4x APG, 6 64bit/66Mhz PCI slots, U2W SCSI, 800Mhz G4, OS X, with Apple Cinema Display at a reasonable price mmmm I must be dreaming.....
I once shot a really big spider in my basement with a pellet gun. Not as impressive as nailing a dragon fly in the air I spose but it did splatter pretty cool and I hate spiders. Anyway, I was going to say something relevant to the thread, but I forgot what it was. Must not have been very important or earth shattering...
I should explain myself, the dude laner, said shit that was not cool. As one can see the 9600, could have up to a 1.5Gb of ram three years ago. Maybe if laner checked how much ram was in it, he might understand why it took so long to boot. Anyway, I don't get into busting out shite on GDs, why, because everything u guy/girls look is designed by a GD or Id(industrial designer). The fact is laner(lamer), does not know shite about macs, I don't bust out trolling ass remarks like that and neither should he/she. If he spent a bit of time he might learn a little, I myself am trying to learn NT....getting there....but he just spurts shit. He is offensive trolling Mother fucker and I have no time for him....and to those GDs, burn him cause he is offending u.....STUPID GRAPHIC DESIGNERS!!!!, WTF is that shite. He(lamer) is a person who thinks they r the shit and should be praised upon. I'm sorry but even in humor this is not cool, if anyone is stupid, it is the lamer(yes u laner) who does not explore what went wrong...i.e the drive that is 4/5 years old died...statistically one can expect that this might happen. <BR>Oh, with regards to people who shouldn't use macs(i.e ref detnap), research your shit dude:<BR>1. how much ram was in the machine?? was it 700 odd Mb...u don't know...well don't be busting out that shite.<BR>2. And a PC HD won't randomly crash???????? Now go and check your shit out View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<BR>3. no they don't, you press apple e, or hold down the mouse button on start up...but then again you didn't now that now did u View image: /infopop/emoticons\icon_wink.gif<BR>4. Neither do mac people, only pc people who don't know a damn thing about macs View image: /infopop/emoticons\icon_wink.gif<BR>5. never said that, just PC people who say shit and don't know anything about macs(lamer) . I imagine alot of people here r not GD, but game players or system admins. If you r a SA, you should know multiple OSes.<BR>6. Voodoo is supported under macs, and with time I expect more card to become available...I know that the mac doesn"t have all the cards of the PC market but we r getting there...<BR>7. "people who want to do more than one thing at a time".....u have never used a mac, if u have it was sytem 7.x...try something recent.<BR>8. Again you don't know shit, try 4/5 years ago when mac's were busting out MP, you were using dos or win 3.1 and we had MP, the rumor now is that we should be expecting MP G4 next year....key this with mac os 10(note that it is not available, the assumption is that next year it will be released...current Vapour ware(on developer release)<BR>9. mac have had this function well before PC and still do, learn your shit.<P>10...detnap, what an ignoramis(please forgive me for my spelling)<P>I know macs r not perfect, I don't pretend that they r. But when shit is said, with out any backing, it really does offend me. Personally I have found NT more stable but a hell of a lot harder to work with.<P>have a good day all View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<BR>
<P>his main point was...<P> 1. a mac takes 5 minutes to boot up.<BR>---------<BR>That was his point, but is *should* have been that *that* mac takes 5 minutes to boot. First of all, is it at all possible that he may have overetimated, just a bit?? And there may have been decent reasons for it taking so long, it is obviously pretty old, it may have a ton of extensions that need to be loaded, maybe they should clean some out, and of course the RAM issue. Maybe I can try booting up a Pentium 233 with a to of add ons runing Win98 and see how long it takes, and then generalize it to include all PC's<P> 2. a mac crashed because he inserted a disk (and i'm almost positive at one point or another a mac has crashed because we have inserted a disk).<BR>---------<BR>*when* he inserted a disk, I doubt it was because he inserted a disk. As evidenced by the fact that it still wont boot up. Gee Gates had one crash because he plugged in a scanner, well sometimes weird sh t happens.<P><BR> 3. macs don't have an eject button<BR>--------<BR>There are muliple ways of getting a disk out, AFAIK the 'pinhole' technique relys on physically pushing it out, and should always work. If not, holding down the mouse button is a good one.<P><BR>As far as the rest of Detnaps's BS; it wasn't even very good trolling material...<P><BR>
I once shot a Grey Squirrel with my Barrett M99. I was going for a target 500 meters away and the little bugger ran right into a .50 round. Poor little thing. I mean really what are the chances? The little thing was vapourized! I found bits of blood, fur and bone, but not much else...<P>I honestly was not aiming for it either, as I do not hunt.
Damn Aardvark, who pissed in your corn flakes? Sure, my message was a little troll-like... this *is* the Battlefront. But it's completely true.<P>>>>if you don't know how to get a disk out of a mac, you should not be touching them.<<<<P>So, how exactly should you get a disk out if the manual eject thing doesn't work and the Mac won't boot? Probably by the way our IT department got it out... by taking the damn thing apart.<P>>>>And your reference to graphic designers is quite offensive, I doubt you could create(DP) anything of worth even if you tried your hardest. <<<<P>It was a joke - smiley face? But graphic designers by and large *are* Mac snobs.... I work on a very large website, and often get Mac-only disks (even though the designers *know* we do web development exclusively on PCs). And I do my fair share of graphic design as well - took a year's worth of classes in college... on Macs (LCII's? I don't remember) that locked up fairly regularly whenever you launched Photoshop.<P>>>>after all you seem like a Stupid PC git who doesn't know shit.<<<<P>Well, you'd be wrong. But at least I don't have to resort to name calling and cursing to get my point across.<P>Bottom line - it was merely a playful jab at the Mac advocates who claim that their computers are so superior and never have a problem. One of the few times I have had to boot up a Mac in the past year, and it fails utterly, in a particular way that is impossible on a PC. I just found it humorous, that's all.<P>Lighten up, it's Christmas!<BR>
Resteves<P>>>>That was his point, but is *should* have been that *that* mac takes 5 minutes to boot. First of all, is it at all possible that he may have overetimated, just a bit?? And there may have been decent reasons for it taking so long, it is obviously pretty old, it may have a ton of extensions that need to be loaded, maybe they should clean some out, and of course the RAM issue. Maybe I can try booting up a Pentium 233 with a to of add ons runing Win98 and see how long it takes, and then generalize it to include all PC's<<<<P>I may have been overestimating a bit, but it *did* take much longer than any PC I have booted up in quite a while (including my P2/350 at work which is running the monstrously large Win2K). And I was not making a blanket statement about Macs - just my experience in particular.<P>>>>when* he inserted a disk, I doubt it was because he inserted a disk. As evidenced by the fact that it still wont boot up. Gee Gates had one crash because he plugged in a scanner, well sometimes weird sh t happens.<<<<P>Well, I don't know what else it could have been. It was working fine until I inserted the disk. And what does a scanner have to do with removeable media?<P>>>>There are muliple ways of getting a disk out, AFAIK the 'pinhole' technique relys on physically pushing it out, and should always work. If not, holding down the mouse button is a good one.<<<<P>Pinhole didn't work... trust me, I tried. But I will remember the mouse button for future reference.<BR>
Any wasp deaths count, for they are the total bastards of the insect world.<P>Creatively, rather than skillfully, I once knocked a wasp out of the air by dousing it in some freeze spray stuff that was kicking around the electronics lab at the time. I was quite chuffed with the way the wasp suddenly fell out of the air.
<BR>Mac users do not say there are no problems with Macs (hardware or software) We just find the problems to be LESS of a problem than with a PC. Yes things can go wrong, and they do. Weird things can happen on either platform. In my personal experience, and that of those in my district, the PC is more liable to have inexplicable problems, and more likely to need to reinstall the OS, than the Mac. That does not mean there are never problems that crop up on a Mac.<P>I have never heard of a Mac crashing due to putting in a disk, it probably triggered some check of the HD that finally trashed the HD, and that is why it would not reboot.<P> Also, was a CD tried? That should have easily gotten the computer to work, and you could then pop out the disk without having to take it apart. (This is one way that the Mac has an advantage over the PC.)<P>Also, if the pinhole didn't work, I would complain to the manufacturer, it is not apples fault that they did not make the emergency eject work properly.<P>
>>>Mac users do not say there are no problems with Macs (hardware or software)<<<<P>Well, you're one of the few who admits it View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<P>>>>We just find the problems to be LESS of a problem than with a PC. <<<<P>And my experience has been just the opposite... The amount of time I spend on Macs is very small compared to PCs. But based on the amount of time spent on each platform, I have had problems with Macs far more frequently.<P>>>>Yes things can go wrong, and they do. Weird things can happen on either platform.<<<<P>And that was my overall point View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<P>>>>In my personal experience, and that of those in my district, the PC is more liable to have inexplicable problems, and more likely to need to reinstall the OS, than the Mac. That does not mean there are never problems that crop up on a Mac.<<<<P>And as I said, my experience has been exactly the opposite. I am not a newbie by any means. Yes, I have limited Mac experience... a few graphic design & MIDI composition classes here and there in college, and the occasional use of one at work. But all computers work on the same basic principles, and knowledge of one platform is not that hard to apply to another. But I have had far more "WTF?!?" moments with Macs than PCs on average. The original point of my post was, you'll never have a PC crash on you simply for inserting a disk, nor will you have a problem booting the machine because the disk won't eject (barring a physical problem with the drive). It just struck me as funny, that's all<P>How about we reserve judgement on any platform *as a whole* unless we have significant experience with it? Deal? View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Now we all should know that the proper way to kill insects is with a can of WD-40 and a Bic lighter; much more dramatic. Just don't cross the streams....<P>Evil_M--Now THAT's some bad karma, running into a bullet, a 50 cal no less! Tells me that squirrel was bound to die in some glorious manner anyway. It was either you or spontanious squirrel combustion one day.
>>But I have had far more "WTF?!?" moments with Macs than PCs on average.<P>That's probably because you know a lot more about PCs than Macs. You probably know what to expect, some of the most common errors and weird problems on a PC. I'm not saying that you know nothing, just that by your own admission your experience with Macs is very limited. You say you used Photoshop on some LCII's in college, well, those machines are almost a decade old. Can you honestly tell me that a 386 running Windows 2.0 would have made a better graphics-design platform? <P>Jonah
Hurly,<P><BR>You better belive it. What are the chances? A million to one? I have never seen living things disintergrate before I saw that. It was just a large puff of blood, and then nothing...<P><BR>
resteves:<P>do you just run around and call everyone a troll?<P>"I am resteves and I run around the battlefront calling everyone trolls"<P>if you don't like to hear about the faults of the mac, then why do you keep reading this section?<P>oh hey, try plugging in a scanner into a 9600 and tell me if it freezes or not. when gates plugged in the scanner, he was trying to demonstrate new technology. zip disks are not.<P>sure, we can say how pentium 233s boot up slow, but why don't we use the information we know (300 mhz) computer and compare it that way? even if there was a hell of a lot of ram on the pc machine, there's still a good chance that you can set it to boot up quite fast <P>I am sorry that I my material isn't "trolling"<P>Mr. Aardvark<P><BR>1. hey, if the pc has 700 or so macs, I assure you that if you have a good motherboard, you don't need to wait 5 minutes for it to boot.<P>2. last time I checked, I never crashed my pc by inserting a floppy<P>3. I knew about apple e (which doesn't work all the time) didn't know about the mouse button. What a have to say about this is if the mac is so "intuitive", why is it so much easier for my grandma to eject a disk on a pc?<P>4. Okay, fine. "People who don't have all day to spend on the message boards trying to find out how to eject their disks"<P>The pc disk eject button. It works. You should try it.<P>5. Oh, by the way, I worked in the graphics department with 30 or so odd macs as tech support. Every time we got a new mac, we'd do a clean install, install just what we needed to use (quark, Photoshop, illustrator) connected to a quad processor Unix server. So I've dealt with macs before, and boy, those things didn't have anywhere near the reliability of NT machines (the macs were always hanging, and after a while, sometimes they'd start hanging all they time)<P>6. Yeah, voodoo 3 with beta drivers. Swell. One of the largest games to hit the shelves this year, quake 3, doesn't work well with voodoo 3 due to driver issues. And let's take a look at the disclaimer, shall we?<P>"These drivers will only work on Apple Macintosh systems. They are primarily intended for use by programmers wishing to develop applications utilizing the Glide API on the Macintosh platform. 3dfx will not offer end-user support nor warrant any hardware used in association with these drivers."<P>Yeah, that's something that I want to put on my machine. If you think that's "good", then some people just have lower standards than others I guess.<P>7. So you're happy with the multitasking in 7.x??? Hmm, low expectations. It really is. I was talking about mac os x style multitasking (or do you mean that you don't need that and think that the mac os 9 out there is perfect in every way, shape, and form). Again, low standards.<P>8. NT 3.1. Came out in 1993. The form of Macintosh multiprocessing isn't good as of yet. geez, why do you think they're developing the macosx not from the regular macos<x core? Because of its faults.<P>9. the mac shouldn't turn away people who don't know every nuance of their systems (mac users call them "retards") the macintosh should try to include them and teach them and fix their problems. Hopefully, by april...<P><BR>
For the Mac user the number of "Inexplicable" problems is inversely proportional to their Windows experience. As a long-time Mac user their remain very few "inexplicable" problems on my Mac. That is not to say they do not occur, just that I can recover more quickly.<P>My Windows experience grows daily, but I have problems there as well. From time to time I get "exception errors" while using web browsers, but usually I encounter few problems that can't be accounted for. <P>Most problems on the windows side seem to surround the introduction or installation of 3d party hardware. This is problematic as the main reason for purchasing Windows based computer is to acquire hardware that has no no mac counterpart or is cheaper. I tend to encounter many conflicts here, but with a bit of study most can be solved in an afternoon.<P>With the Mac most problems surround the aging system software and the troublesome system extensions. These extensions add functionality but third party extensions sometimes refuse to play nicely and freeze the system.<P>This will be addressed by OSX, but legacy systems will always have this problem. I look forward to a whole different set of issues with OSX. I am also eager to get a look at Win2K, a Win98 look and feel with the stability of NT could be quite useful. I hope that it will improve with regard to third party plug and play. MS incremental improvements to their OS have led to a very polished and convenient system with Win98, I hope Win2K is an improvement.<P>By the way, even a 9600 with new system software can read PC-formatted zips. You might try buying only PC formatted media for them to use. I've encountered zero problems using PC media on my Macs. Assuming the file exchange extensions are up to date you should have no problems.<P>You might also consider purchasing the PC program Conversions Plus 4.5 by DataViz. It mounts Mac media on PC's and you wouldn't have to soil your fingers by touching and breaking and elderly Mac.
Damn merlin that's quite a rifle you're using for target practice. I don't know much about guns aside from the .22 I occasionly use to plink cans in the Poconos. But, I have a .50 cal shell left over from somewhere and that sucker is downright scary looking.
>>>That's probably because you know a lot more about PCs than Macs. You probably know what to expect, some of the most common errors and weird problems on a PC. <<<<P>But this was not a common error, not even for a seasoned Mac user (the IT who helped me out). <BR> <BR>>>> not saying that you know nothing, just that by your own admission your experience with Macs is very limited. You say you used Photoshop on some LCII's in college, well, those machines are almost a decade old. <<<<P>Actually the timeframe was 95/96... I don't remember exactly what model it was (LCII just rings a bell somehow) - besides, which model I was using wasn't the issue... I was refuting Aardvark's assesment that I couldn't "create anything of worth" by stating that yes, in fact I did have some graphic design background, on a Mac no less. But they did lock up tight more often than not. Certainly more often than my Windows PCs do.<P>[This message has been edited by Laner (edited December 17, 1999).]
resteves - my my... trolling again?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also, was a CD tried? That should have easily gotten the computer to work, and you could then pop out the disk without having to take it apart. <I>(This is one way that the Mac has an advantage over the PC.)</I><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Uh, what?!? How is this an advantage? The only removeable media peripheral on the PC side that doesn't have an eject button would be the slotless CD-ROM drives, which aren't around very much anymore. And if you want to eject something when the system doesn't boot, just turn on the system and hit the eject button (of course external devices and floppies are excempt from this, since floppies are ejected without power and all you have to do with external devices is turn them on and eject; the main system has nothing to do with it) <P>And why was Mr. Bill's "plug-in-a-USB-scanner-on-<B>BETA2</B>-Win98-and-see-it-crash" even mentioned? <P>Happy_Aardvark- Dude, get a life and learn how to spell. Bashing on Mac's doesn't mean the end of the world, nor does it look good when all you ever do is curse and scream at people who actually work with them for a living. Now, if the tables were turned and you are the one who works with NT machines and bash on them, I (and many others) could care less, and would try to help you out (we know NT sucks compared to *nix-based systems and we still like it and work with it). Kinda interesting if you compare the two communities (Mac and NT/9x). In the NT/9x commuinity, we help each other out, especially new-comers (proven in Ars' other forums). Now, judging from your statements and with resteves', being friendly to new-comers isn't really there. <P>Maybe that's why the Mac community doesn't do very well... View image: /infopop/emoticons\icon_wink.gif
The pinhole thing didn't work, eh? It ALWAYS works for floppies, but Zip drives may have differences. For example, the pinhole in the first bezels on the B&W G3s was in the wrong place for an inserted paperclip to hit the eject button. If the Zip drive was physically damaged it could have caused problems, although I've never seen one crash a Mac. Iomega's zip drivers for Mac are notoriously buggy. Its generally better just to use the built-in support in the Mac OS.<P>In that situation, I would begin by trying to start up with extensions off (analogous to Windows "safe mode") and if it crashed then, either the OS needed to be reinstalled or there was a hardware problem.<P>Like learning the PC, learning the Mac is mostly a process of trial and error. It's a trial and you make errors. View image: /infopop/emoticons\icon_wink.gif
<P>>>But I have had far more "WTF?!?" moments with Macs than PCs on average.<BR>----------<BR>As stated by you, you have little experience on a Mac, and they don't work as you would expect a PC to do. Anyone would have a ton of WTF moments switching OS's if they were not used to it. My experience of talking with people that are familiar with both, is they have more WTF situations on a PC. (At least Win9x, obviously NT is much better.) The same scenario seems to develop when I talk to people that only use one platform, the Win9x users seem to have more WTF troubles and conficts, and need to reinstall stuff more often. We have several died in the wool PC users/supporters in the district. Now that they have had to deal with both PC and Mac, they all wish we only had Mac's. Keep in mind, I still know more about the Macs than they do, yet they find them to be less of a hassle.<P>
<P>do you just run around and call everyone a troll?<BR>---------<BR>No, just people that fabricat BS lists that have little basis in reality.<P><BR> sure, we can say how pentium 233s boot up slow, but why don't we use the information we know (300 mhz) computer and compare it that way? even<BR> if there was a hell of a lot of ram on the pc machine, there's still a good chance that you can set it to boot up quite fast <BR>---------<BR>And "there's still a good chance that you can set" the 9600 "to boot up quite fast." So what is the point? <P> 1. hey, if the pc has 700 or so macs, I assure you that if you have a good motherboard, you don't need to wait 5 minutes for it to boot.<BR>--------<BR>IF you had a good mobo?? <BR>That is because (AFAIK-ICBW) the PC doesn't automatically check the RAM on start-up. the mac does. You can set it to not do so. There are other ways to speed up the Mac. And other questions, was a start up volume chosen, were there apps that auto start etc.<P> 2. last time I checked, I never crashed my pc by inserting a floppy<BR>-----<BR>That is because the PC is incapable of autodetecting a floppy. (or a ZIP?) I know it can do a CD, sometimes. But the point is, the problem was not with the Zip, that just made the problem show itself.<P><BR> 3. I knew about apple e (which doesn't work all the time) didn't know about the mouse button. What a have to say about this is if the mac is so<BR> "intuitive", why is it so much easier for my grandma to eject a disk on a pc?<BR>---------<BR>Because the auto detect feature is more advanced, as is the software put away. <P> <BR> 5. Oh, by the way, I worked in the graphics department with 30 or so odd macs as tech support. Every time we got a new mac, we'd do a clean<BR> install, install just what we needed to use (quark, Photoshop, illustrator) connected to a quad processor Unix server. So I?ve dealt with macs before,<BR> and boy, those things didn't have anywhere near the reliability of NT machines (the macs were always hanging, and after a while, sometimes they'd<BR> start hanging all they time)<BR>--------<BR>Any time frames for the Macs and NT machines you were using??<P><BR> 6. Yeah, voodoo 3 with beta drivers. Swell. One of the largest games to hit the shelves this year, quake 3, doesn't work well with voodoo 3 due to<BR> driver issues. Yeah, that's something that I want to put on my machine. If you think that's "good", then some people just have lower standards than others I guess.<BR>-------<BR>So you are not using Win2k?? That is also Beta. The drivers are beta as a technicality, so they aren't held financially responsible for them. They have been very responsive to glitches and or bug fixes, and they work quite well. I would rather they were fully supported, but they work and that is what really counts. And Anantech doesn't seem to show a problem with the voodoo drivers on Q3:A... but what do they know...<P> 7. So you're happy with the multitasking in 7.x??? Hmm, low expectations. It really is. I was talking about mac os x style multitasking<BR>---------<BR>Here is where you need to read a bit more carefully. YOU said that macs can only do one thing at a time. HA said you must not be familiar with Macs, and if you are you are only familiar with 7.x. See, we can do lots of things at the same time on the Macs, and we do. The MT is not as good as NT, and I wish it was, but your statement was still ludicrous. (This is the kind of stuff I was refering to as trolling.)<P><BR> 8. NT 3.1. Came out in 1993. The form of Macintosh multiprocessing isn't good as of yet. geez, why do you think they're developing the macosx not<BR> from the regular macos9. .<BR>--------<BR>I think you may be confusing multi-tasking with multi-processing. The Macs have do MP before, long before.(And I think before Windows was ICBW) They can't do it now, but that is hopefully changing. Of course, Win9x can't do it either...<P>
resteves said:<P>"My experience of talking with people that are familiar with both, is they have more WTF situations on a PC."<P>Here's one that thinks different to that.<P>I say that because finally, after seven weeks here, this Win 9X box went into some sort of a loop trying to open a file from the network. It had to be rebooted. A first. <P>I guess people get so many weird crashes with Macs that their WTF threshold is never crossed. I was getting that way toward the end.<P>I've noticed that the WTF situations increased on the Mac around 1993. Before that they were pretty much the same on both platforms, but now it's hard to find a stable Mac wherever I go.
<BR>Total, I know you like to find small bits that I say and pick at them, but at least read all the posts first.<BR>The advantage that I refer to, is that it is inherent for macs to be able to boot from a CD. If you had bothered to read the earlier posts, the problem was that they could not get the computer to boot up at all because the HD had gone bad. My guess is that putting in a CD would have allowed it to boot up, and easily get the zip out, and do some diagnostics on the HD. Windows machines, especially ones as old as that one, do not always do so well trying to boot off of a CD.<P>What people keep forgetting is that the problem was really with the zip manufacturer. There WAS a physical eject button, it just didn't work.)<P><BR> And why was Mr. Bill's "plug-in-a-USB-scanner-on-BETA2-Win98-and-see-it-crash" even mentioned? <BR>--------<BR>It was mentioned to show that weird stuff can happen, to any system, and anyone. I was not dissing BG and the demo, that stuff happens.<P>
Um, so let's get this straight. In order to eject a Mac floppy or Mac ZIP (or any removeable devices on a Mac), you need to boot the O/S? Ick. <P>The whole reason I picked out your little comment about the CD was very simple. Why did you even mention it? On a PC, it's not O/S dependant to eject media. All you need is power, and an eject button. The PC world has been booting off of CD-ROM's since the days of SCSI. Back in Sept. of 1996, IDE CD-ROM drives were able to boot. Now, anything on either the IDE or SCSI chain can be booted off of (with the exception of tape/DDS/DLT drives). That includes Jaz drives, ZIP drives, LS120 Drives, etc.<P>So please be so kind as to why your post sounded exactly like a troll post (making Mac's look better than PC's).
It was mentioned that "[on a PC...] <I>All you need is power, and an eject button.</I>".<P>This is sorta true on a Mac too - you just need to hit the eject buton before the OS takes control of the device, i.e. apply power to the machine, then hit the eject button - out pops the CD (or whatever).
<BR>let a master stick it to ya.<P>read all of the <A HREF="http://www.mackido.com"> Mackido for all of the proof why macs are better, but not perfect.
kokalo - "let a master stick it to ya....read all of the Mackido for all of the proof why macs are better."<P>another lost soul
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