iPhone 16e review: The most expensive cheap iPhone yet
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You should keep it. Mine was Gen 2 so I replaced it with a refurbished 13 mini for $300
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People who want to help support X by Apple paying for advertising there, and further payments to Trump's regime through inaugural committee shenanigans, mostly
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Oh so that's cool. Support the products of people who bought the favor of fascists because they figured out the buy in was cheap for their bottom line? That kind of makes it worse
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Cool, just shut down all the Canadian auto parts suppliers, we’ll take them back here in Detroit.
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You‘ll be picketing at the ambassador bridge, right? Keeping all those truck loads of Canadian products from helping American companies??
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I don’t know if you people realise that’s how words lose their meaning over time.
if you think personal insults like this are going to dissuade me from buying more Apple products, you are mistaken. If you want to argue that i am some sort of nazi sympathiser or supporter by doing so, then yeah, go ahead. I don’t care.
Apple sells more than 200 million iPhones every year. Assuming sales hold steady, I challenge you to call each and every one of them out come September.
Here in Asia at least, your words hold zero weight.
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I’m going to type out this soapbox I have been mulling over after reading this derailed iPhone thread.
The US and its foreign policy have always been disasters for the countries affected by it. Buying American goods post-WWII have always been supportive of an insane and unchecked superpower.
An example from contemporary history, it was under Obama’s presidency that Libya was destroyed as a functional sovereign state. It was Biden who continued the flow of arms to Israel for use against civilian populations in Gaza.
What of the post-WWII era? Popular communist movements in Vietnam and Korea being met with the US war machine because the US HAD to contain communism? Was the national sovereignty of these nations or its citizens respected?
We are aware that Cambodia cannot under international law reproach the US for the spread of Agent Orange?
That the Coca Cola company has innumerable human rights abuses in South America? But it was funny orange dictator and Elongated Muskrat that was the straw that broke the camel’s back?
There is no perfect nation, but to expect or even think that the US is and has in any way, shape, or form been a global force for good is ahistorical and delusional. Go read history and swallow the bitter truths of the land you’re living on.
The US was founded by slaveowners; a notable exception John Adams who categorically detested the practice. This nation, like Canada, was built by trampling over the life, history, and practices of First Nations and importing laborers from other lands to do this bitter work.
Are Westerners so daft as to think that a nation built around belligerently expanding coast to coast under the ideals of Manifest Destiny was some beacon of progress?
The US has an absurd amount of military bases around the world; is this the essence of democracy? Just look at the face of it. The US is the largest military power, biggest arms manufacturer and dealer. And we’re supposed to believe this does nothing for or against the moral fiber of a country’s foreign or domestic policy?
The current reaction against Trump/Musk is because they’ve made it obvious that Western dominance is perpetuated by ill minded, poorly educated and informed, and obscenely wealthy peoples so far divorced from the consequences of their policies that it doesn’t matter to them.
That is enough of this soapbox from me, downvote or petition to have this deleted. I do not care, just be aware of the history of the US and act accordingly.
Canadians, your greatest charge as a nation beholden to future generations is to protect the Great Lakes before the US sells it as bottled water.
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The US and its foreign policy have always been disasters for the countries affected by it. Buying American goods post-WWII have always been supportive of an insane and unchecked superpower.
An example from contemporary history, it was under Obama’s presidency that Libya was destroyed as a functional sovereign state. It was Biden who continued the flow of arms to Israel for use against civilian populations in Gaza.
What of the post-WWII era? Popular communist movements in Vietnam and Korea being met with the US war machine because the US HAD to contain communism? Was the national sovereignty of these nations or its citizens respected?
We are aware that Cambodia cannot under international law reproach the US for the spread of Agent Orange?
That the Coca Cola company has innumerable human rights abuses in South America? But it was funny orange dictator and Elongated Muskrat that was the straw that broke the camel’s back?
There is no perfect nation, but to expect or even think that the US is and has in any way, shape, or form been a global force for good is ahistorical and delusional. Go read history and swallow the bitter truths of the land you’re living on.
The US was founded by slaveowners; a notable exception John Adams who categorically detested the practice. This nation, like Canada, was built by trampling over the life, history, and practices of First Nations and importing laborers from other lands to do this bitter work.
Are Westerners so daft as to think that a nation built around belligerently expanding coast to coast under the ideals of Manifest Destiny was some beacon of progress?
The US has an absurd amount of military bases around the world; is this the essence of democracy? Just look at the face of it. The US is the largest military power, biggest arms manufacturer and dealer. And we’re supposed to believe this does nothing for or against the moral fiber of a country’s foreign or domestic policy?
The current reaction against Trump/Musk is because they’ve made it obvious that Western dominance is perpetuated by ill minded, poorly educated and informed, and obscenely wealthy peoples so far divorced from the consequences of their policies that it doesn’t matter to them.
That is enough of this soapbox from me, downvote or petition to have this deleted. I do not care, just be aware of the history of the US and act accordingly.
Canadians, your greatest charge as a nation beholden to future generations is to protect the Great Lakes before the US sells it as bottled water.
Edit, Grammar.
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I am boycotting as many as practically feasible, with a focus on those that are either owned or run by fascist, or have their HQ in red states.
I am not boycotting everything US. For example, I am not boycotting Wikipedia, where I am a donor, because I don't see Wikimedia supporting the current administration, the GOP or the fascist oligarchs.
I am not boycotting Tidal at this point, because there is no viable EU alternative. I moved to Tidal away from Spotify because they - in spite of being Swedish - threw literally hundreds of millions at assholes like Joe Rogan. So Spotify supports right-wing fascism more than Tidal. If the situation doesn't improve we might boycott all US streaming services, but we haven't reached that point just yet.
I am not boycotting Valve, because PC gaming is the primary means of entertainment in our household. We don't travel on commercial planes, and we don't engage in activities that consumes large amounts of fossil fuel. The tradeoff is accepting gaming as one of our primary pastime activities (along with board games - Cryptid is hot this month). This is a conscious decision we made to decrease our overall carbon footprint, and I will prioritize our environmental choices above boycotting US goods and services - at least for the time being.
I am boycotting all directly paid Google and Apple services, so I have stopped our YT Premium and Google ONE subscriptions. The kids hate me for it but they'll have to simply use it less to avoid the endless commercials. I have not boycotted using Android because the only true way to own a smartphone is to accept either Android or iOS.
Likewise we have cancelled our extra iCloud storage.
In short: I am being selective about who and what we are boycotting. We try to be realistic about it, without being fanatical. I am not sure there is any other way to go about this. But we absolutely ARE taking a lot of active choices and putting our wallet where our mouth is. I encourage everyone to do the same.
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It is always a personal choice what companies you give your money. That's true for everything in life, and always has been.
You can continue supporting the US economy, and thereby the current administration (as well as the voters who enabled it). Or you can buy a South Korean smartphone.
What you CAN'T do is pretend this doesn't have any consequences at all. At it's ultimate conclusion, it's no different than buying Russian or North Korean products.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”
Make your personal choices. But stop pretending they don't have any impact at all.
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I just picked up mine today.
$250 off retail with trade in and a no interest lock in for 24 months. My old phone can be found at $100, so at least a $150 discount. End result is that I paid less for the 16E than a used 13Pro (Walmart ad). As shown above, the 16E is appreciably faster than the 13Pro.
Charges wirelessly in my car and Magsafe cases are advertised on Amazon for $10ish. Does not charge by simply placing the Magsafe charger next to the phone. Presumably case magnets activate Magsafe.
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I have mine in my hands and it's barely larger than the SE2. The screen is much larger because the bezels are gone.
FaceID appears to be seamless.
Carrier discount made it $349.
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Qi charging and Magsafe cases available.
$349 with my trade in, can be as low as $299.
If you nothing to trade, buy a used SE2 for $100 and trade that. It's worth $250.
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The 16E is physically very similar to the SEs. Fat bezels are gone and it's a tad wider and two or three tads longer. Weighs about the same. Relatively huge, beautiful screen.
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Battery life is excellent, which is why I opted for a 16e over a 16 or older coming from Android. Good battery life and USB-C.
Still bummed I have to go find a DAC. It physically having less cameras makes the phone feel inexplicably calmer to use?
Still bummed I have to go find a DAC. It physically having less cameras makes the phone feel inexplicably calmer to use?
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First of all... there are literally MILLIONS of us americans who HATE dTrump/Musk GOP coup.. and as other countries have fought off facist regimes and coups, we will too. Nearly everything they are doing is failing, one way or another. Predictions are that they are trying to weaken our govt and infastructure so they can mandate national emergency so they can dictate everything. We will see how that works out for them. But having said all that, countries completely turning their backs on the US of A will not be seen lightly in the future. They need to focus on the real problem, which is dTrump/Musk GOP as the problem, NOT us Americans. Perhaps be careful on your wording of the revolt, unless you really mean it. But I truly believe your numbers are low. MOST americans hate all this. MOST americans support Ukraine and its people! MOST americans KNOW that russia, n.korea and jihadists are the enemy of the republic democracies.
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So your argument is essentially mocking the ones who care and boasting your own not giving a shit?
Or rather, do you find purpose in trying to convince everyone that making a stand is pointless?
Was that really worth the ink?
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Why does Dynamic Island add to cost? Apart from a few pixels directly above the sensor holes, isn’t this just software UI to mask the fact of the notch? Or can it actually display across those sensors so no display holes?
I have not yet used an iPhone with it, just assumed it was Apple-spin “not an engineering concession, we DESIGNED it so you always WANT an incongruous black blob near the edge of the picture”
Well we’ll see, I will probably go the extra $300 for a 16 to replace my failing SE3. I don’t want to carry a bigger phone and miss out features.
I have not yet used an iPhone with it, just assumed it was Apple-spin “not an engineering concession, we DESIGNED it so you always WANT an incongruous black blob near the edge of the picture”
Well we’ll see, I will probably go the extra $300 for a 16 to replace my failing SE3. I don’t want to carry a bigger phone and miss out features.
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Sorry if this has been asked but I only got through the first few comments and didn’t feel like reading 140+ 
But is anyone here like me? (Thinking of) Switching from the 2020 iPhone SE to the iphone16E and wondering how annoying the loss of the fingerprint/home button will be?
I got my 2020 SE during COVID to replace an aging iPhone 6S and I would have bought the 2022 SE last month but, and i am not joking, no store nearby sells it. Not a big box store or a small Mom and Pop store even if i try to drive an hour one-way.
So to reiterate: (question 1) Anyone else thinking of switching to this phone but loves the Home Button like I do?
(Question 2) Anyone who loved the home button but switched to a Face ID phone recently? Even if last year, let’s count that as recent
Sorry if my message is confusing. English isn’t my first language
But is anyone here like me? (Thinking of) Switching from the 2020 iPhone SE to the iphone16E and wondering how annoying the loss of the fingerprint/home button will be?
I got my 2020 SE during COVID to replace an aging iPhone 6S and I would have bought the 2022 SE last month but, and i am not joking, no store nearby sells it. Not a big box store or a small Mom and Pop store even if i try to drive an hour one-way.
So to reiterate: (question 1) Anyone else thinking of switching to this phone but loves the Home Button like I do?
(Question 2) Anyone who loved the home button but switched to a Face ID phone recently? Even if last year, let’s count that as recent
Sorry if my message is confusing. English isn’t my first language
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If you do want the features at a similar price to the 16E, a refurbished iPhone 15 Pro on Amazon would give you nearly everything from a 16 Pro including the better screen, extra cameras and Dynamic Island (but not the camera button) for around $650.
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How about an opinion from one who uses devices with both technologies on a daily basis. The iPad Mini I’m typing this on is equipped with TouchID/Home Button. Both of my senior parents still use TouchID SE phones. I’m “using” those regularly.
There are times to prefer one technology over the other but, in general, I find moving between them to be seamless. In practice, the phone is unlocked just as quickly either way. The stories of contortion to unlock a phone on the desk, for example, are exaggerated and contrived in my experience. You don’t think about it. It just happens. The other old chestnut is “what about a face mask in winter?” My response there, as a native and returned Minnestota resident, is that I am certainly donning gloves before a face mask.
I’ll add that my mother has reached an age/condition where TouchID isn’t always reliable and that is a source of frustration for her. I’m looking to move her to a FaceID phone sometime this year.
If there was a genuine adjustment period for me it was brief and painless. I have no recollection of it. IMO, it’s a nothing burger outside of forum debates.
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I'd expect the larger screen made typing easier, but apparently not.
When I heard the SE was cancelled I immediately bought one to replace my old 7. I prefer the smaller size and the touch-id pseudo-button. And I don't care if it makes me look like I belong in the stone age, as another poster alluded to - at least I'm not walking (nor driving or bicycling!) around all day with my eyes glued to my phone looking like a damn fool.
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We've always been SE buyers in this house. It had everything we needed for a good price.
For my last phone I really wanted to ditch Lightning, so I deviated from my normal SE pattern and got the iPhone 15 just for the USB-C port.
If I needed a new phone today, I'm not sure I would get the 16e though...I don't like the compromises. It would be more likely for me to get an older or refurbished iPhone.
Although I usually use the USB-C cable for charging, after using MagSafe a few times I think its absence on the 16e is pretty major. I have used a couple of third party wireless chargers and without MagSafe, it's always a fair bit of fiddling to get the phone aligned with the charger so that it both works and doesn't unnecessarily heat up. With MagSafe it just snaps into alignment. If I only used wireless charging I would rely on MagSafe for instant alignement and would definitely not want the 16e.
For my last phone I really wanted to ditch Lightning, so I deviated from my normal SE pattern and got the iPhone 15 just for the USB-C port.
If I needed a new phone today, I'm not sure I would get the 16e though...I don't like the compromises. It would be more likely for me to get an older or refurbished iPhone.
Although I usually use the USB-C cable for charging, after using MagSafe a few times I think its absence on the 16e is pretty major. I have used a couple of third party wireless chargers and without MagSafe, it's always a fair bit of fiddling to get the phone aligned with the charger so that it both works and doesn't unnecessarily heat up. With MagSafe it just snaps into alignment. If I only used wireless charging I would rely on MagSafe for instant alignement and would definitely not want the 16e.
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With a taller screen, you see more, but without the width for a larger keypad, typing is effectively the same.
I like the size, using.an iPad Mini for screen size, or a MacBook Air.
I'm getting used to no button.
Changing apps uses a swipe up and if you hold that swipe for a sec, you can scroll through and quit open apps.
I just moved from an iPad Mini2 to a Mini 5 and gained TouchID there, so I'll be back and forth.
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An option would be to get a MagSafe case for the 16e. Thus assuring charging alignment.
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For two decades now, I haven't bought a phone with carrier subsidy. I prefer a clear separation - I pay for my device and will update it when it suits me. My monthly phone bill is €8.99 - that is less than what it increased for you.
The price is extremely important, while carrier subsidies only muddy the water and hide the real cost of the device...
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If you really want to piss off this administration, Canada should fast track its own nuclear weapons program.
Don’t need thousands, a dozen will make the cost calculus of taking on Canada an unaffordable proposition in the minds of any US politician.
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The few American Oligarchs that run the show will erase allies that have been peaceful with Americans for hundreds of years.
Canada, Greenland, Ukraine, Panama, and any other country that Trump targets next didnt start this. He is not doing this to make America Great Again. He cut taxes only to the oligarchs and raised it for the common person, he is dismantling every government agency that would be a check on his power and the oligarchs cheer in joy at it.
American democracy is dead. America is the head of the axis of evil. They are allies to Russia, North Korea and frankly I'm sure Trump loves Jihadists more than he loves Canadians.
But having said all that, countries completely turning their backs on the US of A will not be seen lightly in the future.
Countries are supposed to bow down, kiss the ring and allow Musks America to annihilate us? The world will not see America lightly in the future. The world will take the painful steps to remove the American dollar as the reserve currency. The world will give America's its wish and isolate America and trade with anyone else but the USA.
Most Americans may hate it, but they failed to prevent the rise of Trump and Musk from destabilizing international relations. I saw America as a friend. No More.
Threaten us with annexation and cozy up with Putin. We know whats next. Invasion.
Trump will use a pretext to denazi us just like his best friend Putin did to Ukraine.
Sorry. Dont care about Apples next overpriced iphone. I am too busy wondering if my so called friends down south are going to seize my land and end my people for greed.
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Most Americans might not like all that, but they are incapable of not spending the money on their favorite gadget makers who help finance all those bad things.
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Easy to say when you're talking about people who don't live in the USA, but folks like us who do live there (and dare I suggest make up the bulk of the readership) may not have a choice when it comes to most goods.
And calling people variations of the R-slur has any value? Get serious.
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I have a SE2020, got a 13 mini 128gb for very little. great phone.
My son has a 11pro and it has its weaknesses but I get jealous myself sometimes of its screen and cameras. again cost v little and was like new.
Both run latest iOS and Apple intelligence is not necessary is it. If you pay for iCloud 1+ and maximise value across your family you dont need large local storage?? £5 per user per month is very little for backups of photos and app data etc.
only problem is UK carriers are starting to sneak their data prices up. ill be off from Vodafone soon with my 6 contracts and over 20 years loyalty. only interested in new customers. The industry has gone the same way as car insurance. Tossers.
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Maybe he paid a little over but it's still one of the best small phones around and that's what he wanted. If you have an Apple portable the mini is perfect.
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Stay on your side of the Atlantic. It's time to start enforcing the Monroe Doctrine.
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Don't you worry - very few people want anything to do with the US now. And Europe are about to invest around a thousand billion dollars in its defensive capabilities. The US hegemony seems to be over. Our newspapers even likens Trump with Gorbachev - of course not intellectually, but in the empire dismantling way.
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