If you can see the Big Dipper, you’ll get to see a star go nova soon

llanitedave

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To the more knowledgeable astronomers here.. am I right that this will be a type Ia supernova, so we have a chance to observe a type of standard candle with our own eyes?

(edit - answered below - unfortunately no)

Ah, I see the article also mentions this though I didn't pick up on it:

"The explosion is a nova, which means it doesn’t kill either the white dwarf or the red giant as a supernova would. “Only about 5 percent of the hydrogen layer fuses into heavier elements like helium, and the rest just gets ejected into space. Then the process starts all over again because the explosion isn’t large enough to disrupt the red giant, the donor of all this hydrogen, so it just keeps doing its thing,” Van Belle told Ars. This is why we can predict this event with such precision."
The article was pretty poorly worded. For one, it confuses the status of the red giant and the white dwarf, in one place seeming to imply that the white dwarf is a giant star. The white dwarf has gone through it's red giant phase, and is now a spent core approximately the size of the Earth, but with a mass still comparable to that of the Sun. (It can be much less than the Sun, but as fencruz stated, cannot be more than 1.44 times the Sun's mass or it will be destroyed as a type 1a supernova.) The companion star is now in its red giant phase, if it completes that phase before the white dwarf has become overweight, then the nova cycle will end quietly.

It also says that the nova explosion blows off all the accumulated hydrogen that doesn't fuse. Thats also not true. Most of the material will be ejected, but enough will remain to gradually increase the mas of the white dwarf. Eventually, if it accumulates enough material from its red giant companion before that star collapses to a white dwarf as well, it can gain enough mass to become a supernova.

A nova explosion brightens to a maximum of about 100,000 times the luminosity of the Sun. A type 1a supernova is typically 5 billion times brighter than the Sun.
 
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Unless I've missed the biggest news since steam power was invented fusion only happens for a handful of seconds in fusion reactors that are not stars.
Fusion reactors are relatively easy to build. Even some high school students have done it for science fair projects. These are Farnsworth fusors. The problem is, they don't produce anywhere near the energy that it takes to run them, though they are genuine fusion reactors. They run deuterium rather than straight hydrogen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
 
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the time aspects of astronomic events always intrigues and amazes me.
T. Coronae Borealis is ~2600 light years away, so the event happened long before we switch to AD calendars and we are simply waiting for the light evidence to arrive. And by the time it arrives, ~32 nova events will have already happened, we are just waiting for the results to come in.
My mind struggles with these enormities of scale.
And we thought election results take too long!
 
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“When the Betelgeuse supergiant in the Orion constellation explodes, you’ll know it because it will be as bright as the full moon and it will be very hard to ignore. I can say with confidence that it will explode sometime between now and 100,000 years from now. That’s your typical astronomical prediction,” Van Belle said.

Naw bro, Imma need you to lock that down better. I got a mani-pedi and facial in the planner for Thursday at 4:30p, with a very exclusive stylist that goes full hissy-mode drama mama if you are even 1 minute late and I wanna be sure my drip is tight for the stargazing party. So stencil me in for something midday Friday for this Big-Badda-Boom, a'ight? Let my assistant know. Her name is Ms. Cheeken Gewd and you can Insta DM her.
 
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ShortOrder

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I think they mean conceptually, not comparing to a reactor that actually exists today.
Oh I knew what they meant. But I enjoy pedantry

Edit - And what type of mythical future fusion reactors are we talking about, tokamaks and stellarators, or inertial confinement fusion like the NIF? You know, the one where discreet fuel pellets are injected and ignited in discreet events. Kind of like this star.
https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/TE-1713-CD/talks/posters/Perin-poster-paper.pdf
 
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Naw bro, Imma need you to lock that down better. I got a mani-pedi and facial in the planner for Thursday at 4:30p, with a very exclusive stylist that goes full hissy-mode drama mama if you are even 1 minute late and I wanna be sure my drip is tight for the stargazing party. So stencil me in for something midday Friday for this Big-Badda-Boom, a'ight? Let my assistant know. Her name is Ms. Cheeken Gewd and you can Insta DM her.
Wut?
 
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It was a mild parody of the radio DJ from Fifth Element, as they might talk during their backstage dressing room down time with a few updated and modernized colloquialisms, complaining about that 100,000 year gap in the prediction. I thought about doing it more akin to his on-air personality though too, and throwing in a few of his trademark bzzz bzzz buzz off mannerisms :)
 
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It was a mild parody of the radio DJ from Fifth Element, as they might talk during their backstage dressing room down time with a few updated and modernized colloquialisms, complaining about that 100,000 year gap in the prediction. I thought about doing it more akin to his on-air personality though too, and throwing in a few of his trademark bzzz bzzz buzz off mannerisms :)
OK. I thought it was clever. 5th Element great movie.
 
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lurknomore

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the time aspects of astronomic events always intrigues and amazes me.
T. Coronae Borealis is ~2600 light years away, so the event happened long before we switch to AD calendars and we are simply waiting for the light evidence to arrive. And by the time it arrives, ~32 nova events will have already happened, we are just waiting for the results to come in.
My mind struggles with these enormities of scale.
Much closer to us, I explained to a bunch of people learning about optical fibers just how much information that reel on the desk could contain.
People do not think about the FIFO equivalent of a boring 20km fiber spool fed by a pedestrian 100Gb/s x16 lambdas system (nowhere near state of the art). There's a lot of information flying around at all times waiting for some receptor to sample it.
 
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john12453

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It will dim over the course of about a week. It isn't like turning a light bulb on and off; it is more like lighting a campfire and watching it burn out.
I was guessing it would be very slow but if it dimmed from visible by eye to not over the course of a night maybe that's as close as you'd get other than finding all of the names of god.
 
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JohnDeL

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Corona Borealis!? At this time of year, at this time of day, visible from this part of the country?
It should be visible most of the night for the Northern hemisphere.

You can find out the specifics for your location using this interactive sky chart. You want the region between Arcturus and Vega.
 
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Faceless Man

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I take it this won't be visible in the Southern Hemisphere?
T. Coronae Borealis is at about declination 26 degrees north (26 degrees north of the celestial equator). So, not counting a bit of refraction at the horizon, it would just clear the northern horizon from 64 degrees south latitude at it's highest, with a degree higher for every degree further north in latitude. So should be visible from most of the Southern Hemisphere. I know I can clearly see objects at declination 26 degrees south from my location at 30 degrees north latitude.
That's handy to know. It wasn't clear from the article. I'm at 35 deg South, so was wondering if I'd be able to see it.

That's of course provided it doesn't rain that whole week, like it did when they could see the Aurora Australis everywhere else in the country.
 
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That's handy to know. It wasn't clear from the article. I'm at 35 deg South, so was wondering if I'd be able to see it.

That's of course provided it doesn't rain that whole week, like it did when they could see the Aurora Australis everywhere else in the country.
Same thing happened to me with the Borealis.
 
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the time aspects of astronomic events always intrigues and amazes me.
T. Coronae Borealis is ~2600 light years away, so the event happened long before we switch to AD calendars and we are simply waiting for the light evidence to arrive. And by the time it arrives, ~32 nova events will have already happened, we are just waiting for the results to come in.
My mind struggles with these enormities of scale.
...and 2600 is very very close in cosmic scales. The Milky Way alone is 100,000 light years across. You think it's a long way down the road to the chemists...
 
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r0kk3rz

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That's handy to know. It wasn't clear from the article. I'm at 35 deg South, so was wondering if I'd be able to see it.

That's of course provided it doesn't rain that whole week, like it did when they could see the Aurora Australis everywhere else in the country.

According to the Mythology section on the wiki page for the contellation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_Borealis#Mythology).

Both the Australian Aboriginals and Maori People have names for this constellation, so I guess we should be able to see it from the south.
 
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paulfdietz

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By definition, the term is "thermonuclear fusion." However, white dwarves are past their fusion period, so, no, not all stars are always going thermonuclear.

There's actually another kind in astrophysics, called pycnonuclear fusion. It occurs at extreme density, such as in the crusts of neutron stars.
 
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A small star map would have been a great addition to the article.

Here is how I start with the context of that overall larger part of the sky. (Starting from the article)
you can follow the arm of the Big Dipper as it arcs around toward the bright star called Arcturus

Following the "arc" of the big dipper arm to Arcturus (the first bright star), then continuing along the same approximate arc to Spica (the second bright star), then to the keystone-shaped constellation Corvus is a nice thing to become familiar with. All of those are very visually prominent, even in light polluted areas. It's one of the first things I do when I'm figuring out what's where in that part of the sky.
 
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