Framework “temporarily pausing” some laptop sales because of new tariffs
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Ah! Ordered one on Friday for my spouse. Order was confirmed, hopefully they follow through. I'm in Canada, but I think they ship from the US, so we probably will be affected too. Very confusing times...
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That's assuming the tariff for Taiwan stays at 10%. China just got hit with an extra 50% so anything could happen.
You can't run a business facing this kind of volatility.
You can't run a business facing this kind of volatility.
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We are really in some dark times. The entire modern American economy is built off imports, and corporate CEO’s really backed this…
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The tweet only mentions the US site and it looks like the rest of the world wont be affected. Maybe the article could make that distinction a bit clearer.
I hope this wont affect the Laptop 12 pre-order start in a couple of days.
I hope this wont affect the Laptop 12 pre-order start in a couple of days.
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Just to state the obvious, these tariffs are in no sense "reciprocal". I only mention this because I'm not sure that continuing to repeat it, even in scare quotes, is sensible.
Countries not buying American cars does not mean they now owe America money. I can't believe I'm in a world where a major world lead is not only that stupid, but there's apparently nobody in his country able to hold his stupidity in check.
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Are you saying you're already tired of all this winning?
And who is talking about cars? If you're a small island with a few thousand people on it that sells a million or two worth of seafood to the US, but don't buy anything from the US because you can't fucking afford to, welp, Trump's Grok-derived formula now slaps a 50% tariff on your seafood because their totally-not-idiotic formula has concluded that you are imposing 99% tariffs on the US. I am sure that after the island's economy craters completely, hell, it might be completely abandoned because of this, that the remaining birds will happily import millions and millions of US goods to address this super-unfair imbalance.
It is totally worth it to destroy an entire community over the absolute affront of us importing 6 cents of mussels a head a year, of course.
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With an exception for semiconductors.
I guess we're not all going to take our "medicine".
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I ordered a new laptop from them a couple of months ago in expectation of tarriffs. I didn't desperately need it, but I figured it would just be more expensive to wait.
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I bought a year ago, maybe slightly more. They shipped from Taiwan.
IIRC, they were establishing warehouses and I did have a subsequent part ship from one of those - I can't remember if that was in the US, or Canada. I would think warehouses would only have typical builds (if that) - most would be parts in order to allow Taiwan to focus on the custom build work.
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A way to look at this positively:
We were hosed the moment he won and there's just no getting around that. But this kind of acute and intense economic pain might be one of the least-bad routes to him losing his political power base.
As awful as this is, it's probably vastly preferable to other scenarios where the fascist power-consolidation proceeds unchecked because too many people just don't give a shit until they personally feel pain.
We were hosed the moment he won and there's just no getting around that. But this kind of acute and intense economic pain might be one of the least-bad routes to him losing his political power base.
As awful as this is, it's probably vastly preferable to other scenarios where the fascist power-consolidation proceeds unchecked because too many people just don't give a shit until they personally feel pain.
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What are the chances that the economy will be as repairable as a Framework laptop in four years time?
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Well sheeeeaaaayt.
And China also just got hit with an extra 50%.
All this tariff insanity could crater the tech hardware industry. Lenovo, Dell, HP and Apple have manufacturing facilities and component suppliers across China, Taiwan and Southeast Asia. Lenovo ships direct from China for custom builds - your order could be hit by 50%, 80%, 1000% tariffs by the time it reaches customs, and you're the one paying that bill.
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I hope every retailer adds a "Trump Tariff Fee" line item to every ad and order page. Let consumers know who is screwing them over. Apple should make one of their famously well produced videos explaining why they are jacking up prices for American consumers across the board. And they need to let the public know that Congress could step in and stop this any time they care to do so.
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Well I bought the self-build option, I'd have to turn in my nerd card otherwise. I took some pretty basic stuff (it'll replace my old ThinkPad T510 from like 2010 she was still using, we're not talking about crazy requirements hahaha). But maybe they redirect the shipping from Taiwan now even if it would have come from the US before? I'm sure happy I don't work in procurement logistics!
For what it's worth, base 7640U appears to be still available from the website when set to CAD, but not in USD, so it appears Canadians are safe for now (well until the invasion at least)
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Peter Navarro has said Lenovo can escape the tariff if they put the anti-woke nipple pointer back on the lappies.
/s (but makes as much sense as the rest of this nonsense)
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Still available in Australia. AI300 A$1579 and the 1740 at A$1279
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I got so sick of Apple and Microsoft after their kowtowing to the neo-Fascist regime (on top of all their usual wrongs) that I was looking at a Framework laptop as one option for a new Linux lifestyle.
Looks like I waited just a little too long!
Regrets, I have. But a little hope I have, that this destruction is becoming self-destruction, and the orange flame will burn itself out relatively soon.
Looks like I waited just a little too long!
Regrets, I have. But a little hope I have, that this destruction is becoming self-destruction, and the orange flame will burn itself out relatively soon.
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Yeah, but the Aussie dollar is tanking. Sigh. Still, some say it will rise again in a year or so once the US$ falls.
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SubWoofer2
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Or you could buy from Russia, Byelorussia, Cuba, and North Korea. Y'know, the countries which didn't get tariffs imposed.
The argument that they already have tariffs against them doesn't wash. Iran got 10% tariffs imposed. The argument that there is no trade with Russia doesn't wash, it was $3.5 billion last year. If the $3.5 billion is all fictitious, we turn to other places with no trade with the USA, such as Penguin Island, and Norfolk Island (29% tariff imposed).
Anyway, it's not easy being a friend to the USA, when your enemies get treated better.
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Apple will just fill the tip jar to get their products exempted and stand all solemn-faced beside him in the Capitol rotunda
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Autocrats tend to be most dangerous when they're reasonably popular. So . . . silver lining?
I'm really happy with my FW13 7640U, fwiw.
I'm really happy with my FW13 7640U, fwiw.
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It's not that the economy is built off of imports, is that several economic sectors are so large and advanced that they can't be contained within a single country - not even China. They aren't national efforts but species efforts. The semiconductor industry is inherently dependent on the US, Taiwan, and Netherlands, with loads of lesser dependencies in Japan, other parts of the US, South Korea, and China.
The idea you could squeeze this trillion dollar industry into a single country is absurd. Automobiles aren't much different now that their complexity has grown. This demand can only be realized through technological devolution, which seems you know, to defeat the point.
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I rarely chime in about how this not-so-little old lady (me) has been running Linux on a desktop since the early oughts because nobody wants to hear this. (To be honest, I was working on Unix systems at work, and my home desktop didn't have to do much besides run a browser. I also got to try a system at an Internet Lounge that was rebuilt machines running Linux and talked to the guy running the lounge and decided "I can do this." )
You might try to play around with Linux as a dual boot on an existing machine. I stopped running dual boots around five years after I first started running Linux at home since I realized that I was never using the Windows the computer came with. The first time you tell the installer to blow away Windows is somewhat terrifying.
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arsacinhcet
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The table of tariffs looks almost like a sequence of random numbers. The first mistake is that the trade "imbalance" doesn't take into account services exported by the US. But that's not the real kicker. Even if the so-called tariffs formula (based only on imports/exports of goods) is assumed to be right, the numbers being plugged into the formula are plainly wrong:
https://www.aei.org/economics/presi...no-economic-sense-its-also-based-on-an-error/
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Yep. You can bet the mafia in charge is shorting on declines and buying low...it's easy to manipulate the market and anticipate what it'll do when you've bought the most influential communications platform in the history of mankind.
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I am legitimately curious what those perpetually online young men who went to Trump think about all their hobbies getting more expensive or disappearing outright.
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So… unraveling this from Frameworks perspective.
They are going to eat thetax tariff on the products were they can, at least for the moment. The base models don’t have the margins to do so.
It is, no shit, more complicated than that the longer this goes on. They have orders and contracts for production out some time into the future. Those laptops are going to be made without regard for the current upheaval. Is there a market for all those laptops if selling them in the US becomes untenable? Would the US market hold up if the import tax is passed along to the consumer? There’s lots of ways this could play out, all of which creates headaches and distractions. It’s just bad.
I think I’m less worried about Framework than many other small companies. As I recall (a vague remembrance of something I think I read somewhere, or maybe heard in 31 flavors) Framework isn’t financing the current production with venture capital. Current sales are funding production of the next set of announced products. VC money is funding R&D. Again, based on a vague recollection. But if true they are more resilient to this bullshit than a lot of smaller companies. I sure hope it’s the case.
Trying to be optimistic, I hope some degree of competence comes into play and more thoughtful policies are implemented moving forward. I really hope so. It would suck to have one of the very few tech companies I feel all-in on go under because of this assholery.
They are going to eat the
It is, no shit, more complicated than that the longer this goes on. They have orders and contracts for production out some time into the future. Those laptops are going to be made without regard for the current upheaval. Is there a market for all those laptops if selling them in the US becomes untenable? Would the US market hold up if the import tax is passed along to the consumer? There’s lots of ways this could play out, all of which creates headaches and distractions. It’s just bad.
I think I’m less worried about Framework than many other small companies. As I recall (a vague remembrance of something I think I read somewhere, or maybe heard in 31 flavors) Framework isn’t financing the current production with venture capital. Current sales are funding production of the next set of announced products. VC money is funding R&D. Again, based on a vague recollection. But if true they are more resilient to this bullshit than a lot of smaller companies. I sure hope it’s the case.
Trying to be optimistic, I hope some degree of competence comes into play and more thoughtful policies are implemented moving forward. I really hope so. It would suck to have one of the very few tech companies I feel all-in on go under because of this assholery.
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Republicans need to get on board with impeachment real fuckin quick. Either Congress stops this, or we end up in one of two situations: an economic depression or a depression with bonus shooting war.
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Everything Trump says and does is utter BS solely designed to crash the economy so he can step in and impose martial law because of the inevitable civil discontent that will result. This will be followed shortly by declaring himself dictator for life.
Either that or he's an utter moron deep in the grip of paranoid dementia. I honestly can't decide which it is.
Either that or he's an utter moron deep in the grip of paranoid dementia. I honestly can't decide which it is.
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I'm a bit confused about what the actual tariff will be on Taiwanese made laptops.
The 10% tariff is temporary until another tariff takes it place.
It's either the 34% reciprocal tariff or the 25% automotive parts tariff.
Sure it doesn't seem like a automotive part but there wasn't an tariff code specifically for automotive computers so the Trump administration simply applied it to the tariff code for all Computers/Laptops.
The tariff code is 8471
The 10% tariff is temporary until another tariff takes it place.
It's either the 34% reciprocal tariff or the 25% automotive parts tariff.
Sure it doesn't seem like a automotive part but there wasn't an tariff code specifically for automotive computers so the Trump administration simply applied it to the tariff code for all Computers/Laptops.
The tariff code is 8471
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True, but the lack of emergency hasn't stopped him from using emergency powers.
Apparently we're also under invasion as he's using those powers as well.
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I dislike this statement because it implies they have no choice but to either absorb that cost and take a loss, or stop selling the product - and neither of those make it obvious to consumers what's going on here. No, raise the price, pass the tariff on to consumers, and label it clearly so people know what it would've cost. I feel like that's ultimately what's going to have to happen anyway, barring the entire computing industry following this lead and basically refusing to sell anything.
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The "10%" tariffs aren't random at all -- those are the countries that actually have a trade surplus with the USA.
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Never going to happen. Prices will be going up, blamed (rightfully so, maybe) on tariffs but when the tariffs go away, prices will remain the same.
Kinda similar to 'Covid' price increases in 2020 that never went away, but only added to more corporate profits.
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