My DJI Mavic Mini that I got a few weeks ago at Costco weighs 249 grams which is just a hair under the limit.
Under these new rules, if I were to apply a new paint job which pushes me over the 0.25 kg limit, would I suddenly have to attach this module?
And is the weight limit with or without the battery inserted?
Well obviously with the bettery otherwise you can't fly it and it can't be considered a hazard, unless you are using catapults to fly it. Which is funny as the batt us usually half a pound to begin with.
I'm going to assume they assume whatever is factory default on the device. There is no mention of post purchase modifications which could be a gray area if you upgrade its motor, etc.
My DJI Mavic Mini that I got a few weeks ago at Costco weighs 249 grams which is just a hair under the limit.
Under these new rules, if I were to apply a new paint job which pushes me over the 0.25 kg limit, would I suddenly have to attach this module?
And is the weight limit with or without the battery inserted?
Well obviously with the bettery otherwise you can't fly it and it can't be considered a hazard, unless you are using catapults to fly it. Which is funny as the batt us usually half a pound to begin with.
I'm going to assume they assume whatever is factory default on the device. There is no mention of post purchase modifications which could be a gray area if you upgrade its motor, etc.
That’s not a gray area with the FCC at all. As a pilot, I have to consider the weight of the freaking engine oil in my aircraft. Paint, decals, etc are part of the aircraft. The total weight, as flown, at the time the engine is started, is what matters.
The FARs are not ambiguous about pretty much anything, because the stakes are just too high. It’s one portion of the United States Code that is actually pretty easy to read and understand.
Yeah. I'm pretty sure the code for proper human carrying aircraft is going to be way different then this. The PDF says
Category 1 eligible small unmanned aircraft must weigh less than 0.55, including everything on
board or otherwise attached, and contain no exposed rotating parts that would lacerate human
skin. No FAA-accepted Means of Compliance (MOC) or Declaration of Compliance (DOC)
required.
It does not say at time of flight or at time of purchase. Or that may be implied that its at time of flight.. But its doesn't say see FARs for further details or anything of the like.
The question I have is, what is: . Requires FAA-accepted means of compliance and FAA-accepted declaration of
compliance As cat 2 requires this. To google!
You’d be surprised at how far away you can see a fairly low-powered LED.3 miles of viability for nighttime flying on a drone that weighs a half pound seem excessive to me. That's just a gut reaction, hopefully someone can speak to that, but I'm just thinking about how bright any old flashlight I have is compared to how much it and its lithium battery weigh. It seems this could exclude a certain size drone from being able to fly at night at all.
Weight and balance calculations are done very carefully for commercial aviation, but there are still a couple gray areas that the FAA would rather not get into despite some evidence they should. By far the best example is passenger weights. Under FAA rules, an adult male passenger weighs 200 pounds including carry-on baggage and clothing. The loadsheet uses ballpark average passenger weights, not actual weights.My DJI Mavic Mini that I got a few weeks ago at Costco weighs 249 grams which is just a hair under the limit.
Under these new rules, if I were to apply a new paint job which pushes me over the 0.25 kg limit, would I suddenly have to attach this module?
And is the weight limit with or without the battery inserted?
Well obviously with the bettery otherwise you can't fly it and it can't be considered a hazard, unless you are using catapults to fly it. Which is funny as the batt us usually half a pound to begin with.
I'm going to assume they assume whatever is factory default on the device. There is no mention of post purchase modifications which could be a gray area if you upgrade its motor, etc.
That’s not a gray area with the FCC at all. As a pilot, I have to consider the weight of the freaking engine oil in my aircraft. Paint, decals, etc are part of the aircraft. The total weight, as flown, at the time the engine is started, is what matters.
The FARs are not ambiguous about pretty much anything, because the stakes are just too high. It’s one portion of the United States Code that is actually pretty easy to read and understand.
This has become an issue in the past, particularly with small aircraft, like the overloaded Beechcraft that crashed on takeoff from Charlotte (Air Midwest 5481), but also with charter flights like Arrow Air 1285, which stalled on final approach in part because it was loaded with troops from the 101st Airborne Division and their gear, which weighs a lot more than 200 pounds per man. A charter flight for the NY Giants might be another example where the flight crew should really question the FAA average passenger weight.
Would have been nice if the FAA just forced low powered ADS-B on drones. Then airplanes could pick it up on already established tech and not possibly need yet another expensive radio. Admittedly, in most cases we probably aren't going to pick up RemoteID before slamming into the drone (assuming it's being flown irresponsibly) but it'd be nice for when we're practicing slow flight at lower altitudes or in airport traffic pattern and someone is ignoring the law.
If you prefer gas-powered, it’s still takeoff weight that matters. So you’d need to only fill it up to just under the limit. Filling it to over the limit would be a violation.My DJI Mavic Mini that I got a few weeks ago at Costco weighs 249 grams which is just a hair under the limit.
Under these new rules, if I were to apply a new paint job which pushes me over the 0.25 kg limit, would I suddenly have to attach this module?
And is the weight limit with or without the battery inserted?
Ok the paint question is valid, but the battery question is stupid.
Obviously, the weight limit applies to a device as it weighs in-flight, or it’s not relevant. If you can fly it without a battery, then I guess it doesn’t apply.
Now the weight reference for planes refers to without fuel, so if you prefer a gas-powered drone...
Well yeah. Per the FARs, I'm not permitted below 500 feet AGL in a sparse area, anyway, or 2000 feet AGL in most wilderness areas, so we should already be well-separated, out away from an airport.This final rule only requires local broadcast (it could end up being Wi-Fi Direct / 2.4GHz based, looking at some of the proposals submitted during the rulemaking process). It needs to have enough range for nearby law enforcement hunting a drone to pick up the signal on portable equipment, it doesn’t need the range to reach the nearest airport tower, and broadcasting above-ground at such high power could create interference for people on the ground anyway.Would have been nice if the FAA just forced low powered ADS-B on drones. Then airplanes could pick it up on already established tech and not possibly need yet another expensive radio. Admittedly, in most cases we probably aren't going to pick up RemoteID before slamming into the drone (assuming it's being flown irresponsibly) but it'd be nice for when we're practicing slow flight at lower altitudes or in airport traffic pattern and someone is ignoring the law.
I wonder if they’ll combine this information with what’s already being fed through the ADS-B data.
If you’re equipped with ADS-B IN, like on a G1000 or something, that’d make it visible to you, anyway, since the ground station would be relaying that data.
Drones are still expected to maintain spatial separation, drones subject to these rules aren’t going to be in your airspace (and if they violate your airspace, these rules will be used to hunt down the violators). Commercial drones that are equipped with ADS-B OUT will be exempt from having a Remote ID under this rule.
I get ya, for sure. Just wishing.I’m not arguing with that, I get what you want, and it’s not a bad thing to want.Well yeah. Per the FARs, I'm not permitted below 500 feet AGL in a sparse area, anyway, or 2000 feet AGL in most wilderness areas, so we should already be well-separated, out away from an airport.This final rule only requires local broadcast (it could end up being Wi-Fi Direct / 2.4GHz based, looking at some of the proposals submitted during the rulemaking process). It needs to have enough range for nearby law enforcement hunting a drone to pick up the signal on portable equipment, it doesn’t need the range to reach the nearest airport tower, and broadcasting above-ground at such high power could create interference for people on the ground anyway.Would have been nice if the FAA just forced low powered ADS-B on drones. Then airplanes could pick it up on already established tech and not possibly need yet another expensive radio. Admittedly, in most cases we probably aren't going to pick up RemoteID before slamming into the drone (assuming it's being flown irresponsibly) but it'd be nice for when we're practicing slow flight at lower altitudes or in airport traffic pattern and someone is ignoring the law.
I wonder if they’ll combine this information with what’s already being fed through the ADS-B data.
If you’re equipped with ADS-B IN, like on a G1000 or something, that’d make it visible to you, anyway, since the ground station would be relaying that data.
Drones are still expected to maintain spatial separation, drones subject to these rules aren’t going to be in your airspace (and if they violate your airspace, these rules will be used to hunt down the violators). Commercial drones that are equipped with ADS-B OUT will be exempt from having a Remote ID under this rule.
But people fly drones into controlled airspace on a daily basis, and MAN I'd sure appreciate TCAS alerting me to some asshat's drone over the numbers that the tower hasn't spotted (situation I've been in before). Some of these things are small and light-colored, making them hard to spot til they buzz by your left wing.
I’m just saying, the idea here isn’t to make something compatible with ADS-B or TCAS. It’s to make something that helps LEOs quickly identify and locate anyone who strays into the approach and landing area of your airport, and deal with them.
I mean, the broadcast option in the final rule will work there. So I don’t get how it’s “pure nonsense.”The elimination of the network option is actually bad news for (some) existing drones.
That would just mean your cell phone needs to tell the FAA where your drone is when your drone is in the air. As an alternative to broadcast ID. Like I said, this would’ve been a cheap option to retrofit onto existing consumer drones, instead of having to get a “broadcast module” to put on them...
It is hard to imagine that there are areas without cellphone coverage... yet there are plenty, and they're right where drone operation is actually likely - mountainous wilderness and rural areas. So technically both approaches are pure nonsense.
As a theoretical example: so I fly in a wilderness location, and have some device that is mandated, that broadcasts my drones location data. And I am in compliance with all other FAA regulations such as the drone pilots license etc.
But who is the broadcast data meant to be received by? Unless there is some mandated requirement for aircraft to have a receiver that can localize my broadcasts, then it doesn't do any nearby aircraft any good.
It was speculated in a reply to my previous question that the data could be used to localize the operator of a particular drone, if LE was close by. But that is more of an "after the fact" investigation.
So IMHO unless the location data can be fed into the ATC systems then I can't see anything in these proposed regs that are meant to actually increase safety of aircraft with regards to drones, aside from having a nice registry and requiring drone pilots to be licensed.
I'm told some DPEs like to throw situations like this at you on check rides at all levels, even if only as thought exercises. Something like you do your precheck, get in the plane, and he suddenly says "hey, my buddy Frank, who weighs 300lbs, wants to ride along, too. Is that ok?" And then you have to recalculate your whole flight. And then, after you do that, he says "oh yeah, Frank has a 50lb suitcase. We good?"This is a viable strategy in a real airplane, too, when you’re slightly overweight, but don’t need full tanks to reach your destination plus required reserves. You can literally drain fuel from the tanks to remove weight to put you inside the envelope for the particular category you need the plane to fly in.
Been there. I once had a flight where a passenger and flight bag was added by dispatch literally at the last minute.
After I re-ran the numbers, balance was still good but as we sat we were 8 pounds over MTOW. Once I factored in the fuel required for engine start, taxi and run-up, we were scheduled to be right at MTOW as we took the runway, so it was all legal.
Certainly helped that it was a nice (i.e. not hot) day at sea level, with a 10k' runway and flat terrain as far as the eye could see.