Elon Musk recommends that the International Space Station be deorbited ASAP
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Dude, you're the one that started this by arguing there wasn't space in the article to mention the Twitter spat with the ISS Commander that preceded Musk's declaration that ISS should be deorbited ASAP.
You absolutely have not proven anything "objectively" wrong. Maybe you should go run to your journalist partner to get a primer on what that word means, because you're using it incorrectly.
That doesn't mean you're not simping for Musk now.
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Dude, this is sad. You asked an LLM, and quoted its answer like it's remotely credible. Didn't your journalist partner warn you against using an LLM as a source?
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The problem is less that any exposure is good exposure, and more that journalist are not putting exposure in the right context. And to their credit, this can be deceptively difficult because the people they're trying to cover are actively trying to game this coverage.
You know why Trump did so much heinous shit day one? Because the time journalists and the public can spend on each issue is a limited resource, those 70 something EOs were an outright attempt to overwhelm the news and the population with bullshit. Just going over the list of what bad stuff has happened just makes the people who already understand feel defeated, and those who don't understand don't gain anything.
There are two good approaches to countering this tactic that I've seen: Unmitigated deep dives into singular issues that can actually improve people's understanding of just one issue, (a really big reason why I love Last Week Tonight is that they use this approach).
And focusing on the effects that these actions have on real people. Most humans, even those who still vote republican, still have functioning senses of empathy; showing them real, good people who are getting hurt by these policies may not explain to them the fundamental flaws with these policies, but it will show them that something is going very, very wrong.
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Oh, absolutely. (Hint: It never was.) The normalization of Trump's gobblygook by the legacy media is how he's been elected both times.
'Mainstream media' is run by corporate goons who lean 'conservative'. This time, they supported the hangman of any kind of actual facts being presented to the public. They joined the propaganda to only reach the "My GOD what have we done!!! phase of fascism.
Ooops.
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I honestly wonder how Berger sees himself wrt. the Nazi Elon Musk.
Does he think Musk gives any shits about him at all? That all this prostration has any purchase whatsoever in Musk’s mind?
I get the sense Berger thinks he’s putting on a show for Elon, but he’s actually just wearing a jester outfit and kneeling in front of an Elon Musk cardboard cutout on a stage while the audience makes fun of him.
Does he think Musk gives any shits about him at all? That all this prostration has any purchase whatsoever in Musk’s mind?
I get the sense Berger thinks he’s putting on a show for Elon, but he’s actually just wearing a jester outfit and kneeling in front of an Elon Musk cardboard cutout on a stage while the audience makes fun of him.
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There are so many good arguments for decommissioning the space station, but by default anything a nazi roots for needs to be forcefully condemned.
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He could just be trying to compartmentalize and ignore all this out of subject mess. It's an unfortunate time right now with how our country might be collapsing.
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Can we put him on it and then "deorbit" it away from Earth, maybe on a trajectory to fall into Jupiter?
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But they've sent payloads to Europa, the Trojan Asteroids, and to the moon.
So why are we saying they couldn't reach Mars? They have done interplanetary, even further out than Mars.
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We’re not saying they can’t reach Mars, we’re saying they haven’t, and haven’t even tried.
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Dear God those two dipshits are cut from the same cloth.
He's saying that he didn't bring them down himself b/c of the president, while Trump is sitting right there. And he still isn't bringing them down. I'm sure it's a conspiracy somehow, somewhere.
I love that they just let the sheep figure out the conspiracies for them now. It's the ad-libs of crazy town.
On a different note, I'm seriously ashamed that just less than a decade ago I said a couple semi-positive things about Musk.
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What money has been conned from us? Falcon 9 is the leader in the industry. Dragon has sent more people to space than anything not the Space Shuttle or R-7.
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Is there some reason you constantly deflect from any criticism and pivot to some non sequitur?
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Cat_Herder
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Yes, let's send Musk to Mars NOW. Since he's such a big proponent of this venture, he can have the honor of proving its viability.
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The ISS program in the form under which it was launched under the Clinton Administration was designed with one goal in mind: to give ex-Soviet rocket and missile workers something to do so that they would not head off to work for Iran and North Korea. In that, like much of the US-based attempted to help Russia recover from the last Soviet period, it succeeded somewhat for a while and then just petered out for lack of purpose and consistent drive. Now it continues to exist due to government program momentum in the US and motives which are hard to figure out in Putinist Russia.
So not nothing, but not what was hoped either.
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Who is going to tell Phony Stark that no one elected him and he should put a Starship-sized sock in it?
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Seems I touched a nerve. I'm going to take that as confirmation that your "research" was asking an LLM a question, and quoting the answer.
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It allows him to ask Musk a question and get an answer. Whether that is worth anything at this point, let alone having to walk a very gross tightrope saying things like "some people call him controversial" is another thing, of course. It was and is gross enough for me to no longer subscribe.
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If they keep PLONKing people they’re not going to be seeing any posts in about an hour.
Still - never mind, eh?
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I can only imagine which apocryphal (or completely fabricated) Voltaire quote we're alluding too now, but it's funny either way, because he was a raging bigot and anti-Semite regardless.
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But he’ll have solved the echo chamber problem, by creating his own echo chamber! See, echo chambers are only bad if you disagree with them. If you agree with them, it’s proof that you’re right and everyone should do as you say.
In any case, I’ve plonked people more creatively than this twit.
(And I also agree that maybe the tweets leading up to Musk declaring we should ditch the ISS are important context!)
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Oh look, it's a "resisting the Nazis makes you the real Nazi" bingo!Side note.
"... you're either part of the problem or part of the resistance."
"... you're either against us or for us."
Where have I hears similar stances before?
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One can "resist" without being an active combatant. For instance, a librarian would resist by removing banned books and storing them elsewhere so they can be retrieved later. Continuing to call the body of water "Gulf of Mexico" is resistance.Side note.
"... you're either part of the problem or part of the resistance."
"... you're either against us or for us."
Where have I hears similar stances before?
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I also have no idea what context means.Side note.
"... you're either part of the problem or part of the resistance."
"... you're either against us or for us."
Where have I hears similar stances before?
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Scary Devil Monastery
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What really gets me is that Musk pushing that hard for Mars Here And Now may very well result in the most tragic of death tolls. I have no problem at all seeing Musk push a few hundred eager souls into an insufficiently shielded and supplied rocket leaving corpses in its wake like an oldtime plague ship en route to Mars.
I consider it likely that whatever he tries to pull will turn space exploration into a political leper for a century or more.
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It’s very striking to me that you seem to be incapable of coming up with original criticisms or complaints. You just seem to parrot back things you heard other say and assume that they will make you sound smart and well informed. I note, for example, that you didn’t actually respond to the point I made, which was that you are clearly and demonstrably wrong both about the role of inference and speculation in journalism and its presence in this article. Instead, you grabbed the observation I had about your behaviour - that you are employing motivated reasoning - and tossed the phrase itself back without doing anything to demonstrate its presence.
I’m quite up front with my positions: Musk is a terrible human being and an idiot, and Eric Berger is a terrible journalist doing a bad job covering the aforementioned evil piece of garbage and the idiocy which he is serially responsible for. But the thing is, I arrived at those conclusions based on my assessments of their actions. Not the other way around. My opinions on both people used to be very different. I adjusted them as I learned more about Musk and saw more of Berger’s work, particularly around Musk specifically (though I have since observed the same faults he most acutely demonstrates in his Musk coverage manifesting in other areas, albeit usually in different ways and to lesser degrees).
You also seem to think that journalism is some unfathomably complex art that you are here to educate us on. Considering it is not even apparent that you have successfully read and understood the article on which you are commenting, I don’t know why you would expect anyone to take you seriously, but again I also already pointed out the absurdity of your notion that journalists should not engage in speculation or draw inferences which betrays your own fundamental lack of understanding around what journalism is.
I’m even less able to grok why you seem so convinced we’re so enamoured of your presence that you threatening to Block us will somehow move us to tears. Do it if you want, what do I care? It’s not got going to stop me from critiquing your drivel when I see it, it will just spare me from having to put up with the tantrums you throw when people point out you’re incorrect about something. Or some of them at least. Because other people, those you haven’t blocked yet, are also going to continue pointing out the nonsense you are talking, because you show no signs of stopping and most people around here aren’t going to fail to notice when someone - for example - praises someone for not doing something while at the same time holding up an example of them doing exactly that.
As for your sudden proclamation that you hate Elon Musk, despite having spent page after page now belligerently insisting that it would be ”unprofessional” to cover him throwing a slur at an ISS Commander over a simple correction of an untruthful remark Musk made shortly before an out of nowhere declaration that the ISS should be de-orbited early in an article about the latter with the sole justification (at least, that doesn’t trip over the fact the article does contain the thing you were originally complaining about, just in a way that is favourable towards Musk instead) offered being that it would -checks notes- make the article slightly longer…
Maybe that’s the case. I don’t know, or, frankly, care. Because I guess I have a question you would need to answer before I would even consider answering your own: Given your behaviour thus far and your staggering lack of credibility, why in the world should I believe you?
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Scary Devil Monastery
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It's not that you can't send a payload to Mars. It's just that it won't be a living one.
There are an enormous bundle of questions we need answered before a mars stay is viable. For context, it would be easier to build a city under the north pole ice cap than it would be to build a single ten man barrack capable of sustaining life on mars.
Humanity right now and with any tech we can predict is capable of neither.
The chalkenges are myriad and at the stage we're at...well, to use an analogy, if we were talking about manned flight we'd be at the point where the best we could do was to glue feathers on our arms with beeswax.
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That was Boeing's doing. All the astronauts on board currently have return capability, as there are never more astronauts on board than there are seats on capsuls in order to allow an abandon ship.
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Exactly, they're not "stranded" there, they have a way home, it's just that their stay was extended to accommodate the existing Dragon schedule after Starliner was deemed not safe enough for a return trip, vs needlessly sending up an extra Dragon sooner solely to relieve them faster.
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Trump is treating the country like a business. Unfortunately maga is a corporate raider and is about to sell off the recently acquired country/business for parts.
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I'm still waiting to hear if our resident expert on professional journalism who says the Twitter spat should be omitted because it leads too easily to speculation thinks the entire final section of the article is acceptable or not.
I never did get that answer.
Okay, to be fair, I also didn't go back through the ~6 pages of shitflinging at and from them since I asked for clarification on that point. So if it was in there, I missed it. I would be interested to know, though, since they were seemingly waiting with great interest for my last response to them, which did include a rephrase of the question. Then nothing to me directly.
I never did get that answer.
Okay, to be fair, I also didn't go back through the ~6 pages of shitflinging at and from them since I asked for clarification on that point. So if it was in there, I missed it. I would be interested to know, though, since they were seemingly waiting with great interest for my last response to them, which did include a rephrase of the question. Then nothing to me directly.
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