DOGE accesses federal payroll system and punishes employees who objected

On the plus side, if the federal government spends the next four years in chaos, at least it will be a little harder for America to invade Canada or Greenland.
MAGA will likely rent a rowboat to invade Greenland, but not even knowing where Greenland is located, they might end up in Canada. Canadians beware!
 
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[...] put on leave and under investigation.

[...] and under investigation.

Hey y'all, I think something's here.
[...] put on leave and under investigation.

[...] and under investigation.

Hey y'all, I think something's here.
someday Musk will get his day of in court for crimes against the US. . He does not have the Teflon that Trump seems to have.
 
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Hitler was a natural demagogue but unlike Trump he was intelligent and he had an ideology. If he hadn't stuck at corporal in WW1 but made it to the officer class his strategic intelligence would have been much more dangerous, and it was bad enough. He understood economic warfare; Trump's understanding of economics is at the level of "Pull this big red lever."

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More along the lines of Push the Big Red Button
(Monsters v. Aliens)
 
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Ironically, this kind of unfettered access without any oversight is exactly what someone would need to create fake employees, pay them a salary, and collect it.
Years ago I told my client that someone was in his accounts payable system and giving them selves checks. He didn't believe it. So I created two accounts with his address and cut some large amount checks. The account names " Micky Mouse and the other Superman. He got the drift when he received them. Musk and crony's will be cutting checks without any oversight.
 
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"...to eliminate the waste and fraud"

I've come to the conclusion that government waste and fraud is like Big Foot. People claim to have seen it, people claim it's out there. But we're still waiting on the evidence.
(And I've been waiting since the Reagan era)
Waste and fraud are unavoidable in any large system, the trick dealing fraud is to balance the cost of preventing fraud (funding investigations, implementing bureaucratic procedures that increase costs and decrease accessibility), against the cost of fraud.

As for waste, much of that is the investigations and procedures in place to prevent fraud. The rest is to prevent abuse of power, which is part of why fascists target bureaucracy.
 
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"...to eliminate the waste and fraud"

I've come to the conclusion that government waste and fraud is like Big Foot. People claim to have seen it, people claim it's out there. But we're still waiting on the evidence.
(And I've been waiting since the Reagan era)
So far Felon has posted his list of "fraud" within USAID proving the cuts were needed and every single bullet point could at best be described as "programs an asshole would hate". Every single one was either something to do with trans awareness, or perfectly normal sex education stuff for impoverished nations.
 
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Yeah, the Trump regime is already disappearing people. Pretty sure there's a partial list posted/linked in this very thread.
I am wondering why we have not seen a flood of writs of habeus corpus here.

edit: to clarify: I say that knowing people are quite literally being grabbed off the streets by armed, masked, plainclothes people claiming to be law enforcement where passersby are saying "You don't look like police," with authorities not acknowledging they have the individual in custody, not pressing specific charges, and subsequently being found to have moved the individuals taken across state lines and in many case to other countries with zero due process. This is exactly what the Constitution prohibits. Why are these attorneys not in front of a judge filing writs? Trump saying it is an ivasion DOES NOT MAKE IT SO and the one judge I have seen commenting on this has said as much.
 
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I am wondering why we have not seen a flood of writs of habeus corpus here.
I can think of several reasons:
The detained individuals are denied access to lawyers.
The families of the detained individuals fear the consequences of legal resistance.
The detained individuals cannot afford lawyers.
The detained individuals don't speak the language that their captors speak.
The detained individuals don't have family outside.
The families of the detained individuals don't yet know they are missing.
 
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This could be somehow construed as being true IF at least one of the nukes had been dropped on a military target. They were not, so instead those bombings were pure war crimes.

It’s ALL military target. “War crime” is just nebulous post-hoc rationalization the victors make up for themselves to feel less guilty for all of the people they murdered. Sophistry masquerading as morals. Spare me.

I speak “the unspeakable” to be kind, not nice. Plus, personal vanities make me puke.

As for the peoples of Hiroshima and Dresden? Unless they were Sophie Scholl or other active resisters, or under the age of adulthood, they were ALL enabling the abusers in power. Going to their jobs, paying their taxes, playing their role of good citizens, pretend good people. Those humans painted themselves legitimate targets by not doing enough to prevent fascists gaining power when it was easy to do so, then after, when it was “too hard,” nothing at all. Made their own children innocent victims. Made themselves into the worst monsters. Because they had capacity to choose, and chose to lie to themselves.

They were vain too, once; then nothing at all.

Want to feel your sorrow for someone worthy? Feel for those aircrews who flew over those cities, dropped searing abomination on other humans. Young humans who made themselves into monsters because they had to; because if not them—ordinary people—then who?



ALL war is atrocity. ALL war is a crime against humanity. It’s why you should never start one, only end it: quickly and efficiently, by breaking an enemy utterly, then remaking them so they feel no need to do it again. As the Allies learned the hard way from the Treaty of Versailles, did it right for Potsdam, then forgot on the fall of the Soviet empire. As y’all are learning the hard way again, 160 years later after the South never actually surrendered. That’s what you get for pulling your punches, for virtue signalling. And the longer you fail to break them by peaceful methods, the likelier their violence becomes—and then gods help humanity, because they are way better at that game than you.



And to everyone here, US progressives above all, currently thinking I am deeply ugly: no shit, Sherlock. Empathy ruined by my own doing. I offer it as preview, in hopes you try to understand what all of you can make of yourselves if you choose to. Choose better, and pull your gorram thumbs out.

Thanks to mods for their patience. Peace [or else it’s your fault]. /out
 
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I can think of several reasons:
The detained individuals are denied access to lawyers.
The families of the detained individuals fear the consequences of legal resistance.
The detained individuals cannot afford lawyers.
The detained individuals don't speak the language that their captors speak.
The detained individuals don't have family outside.
The families of the detained individuals don't yet know they are missing.
Also, the detained individuals have been sent to prisons outside of US territory.
 
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You win the Internet for the rest of the year.

So far I’ve collected “Pol Potty,” “Kmart Rouge,” “Year Zero.” Also “Reverse Von Braun” (must be a Joker card). Haven’t found one for RFK Jr yet but will keep looking. (Gotta find them all!) All resemblances intentional. Steal, use, make them yours.

TTFN&GL
 
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Watching from the Canadian side of the border, I really can't figure out why some doxing campaigns have not launched against the various DOGE minions that are causing such chaos: I mean, as a simple educational exercise in providing some experience in FAFO, wouldn't such activities be a patriotic duty?

I mean, its not like Elon's security is protecting the DOGE minions?
Some of them have been doxxed. But they're extremely easy to replace.
 
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The Big Red Lever is a Pratchett reference.
You're probably referring to "Hogfather", although the big lever wasn't red. It was the method used to activate HEX, the ant-powered magical computer:
“Watch this, sir,” said Ponder. “All right, Adrian, initialize the GBL.”
“How do you do that, then?” said Ridcully, behind him.
“It…it means pull the great big lever,” Ponder said, reluctantly.
There was also the large switch in "Thief of Time", but it wasn't red either:
"Some humans would do anything to see if it was possible to do it. If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry."
 
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hey if you don't know something it's okay to just not enter a comment.
Interesting the poster you are replying to never said what position this person is holding at said public university. Based on the content of this individual's posts, operating a floor buffer would be above the individual's competency. So I'm left wondering if there is any conceivable position at any university that UPerCanadianGoose could hold.
 
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These DOGE guys have an extremely important but unimaginably difficult job to do, it's one that is desperately overdue to be done, they have the highest possible executive authorization to do it, and they have the most impeccable credentials imaginable for doing it. It would sure be nice if all the whiners got out of the way and just let them do their job.
You don't have a clue what you are talking about! Under no circumstances do you ever fucking break down the firewalls between departments and levels in any institution handling confidential information unless your objective is mass fuckery, grift blackmail and intimidation. I have worked for years in the finance industry and can tell you as a well paid expert in IT infrastructure that compartmentalization is mandated by regulatory agencies in order to prevent fraud. If I wanted to get illicit access and control of information at every level of an organization for nefarious purposes, I would drop Splunk on every single computer in the organization without setting up any kind of access control that includes locking out the highest execs for some things. Yet dropping Splunk on every computer in the government is just one of the things Musk did.

Since you think what Musk is doing is so great, how about I drop Splunk on every computer you interact with, both at home and at any business you interact with? I'll do it for free. Then I'll spin up a website where anyone can go and search every bit of data Splunk pulls in from those computers. Just let me know when to start.
 
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"...to eliminate the waste and fraud"

I've come to the conclusion that government waste and fraud is like Big Foot. People claim to have seen it, people claim it's out there. But we're still waiting on the evidence.
(And I've been waiting since the Reagan era)
UK's on its 15th DOGE year only there it's called austerity. They were told in 2010 they were just going to cut spending a while until they'd paid off their deficit from the bank bailouts in 2008 then back to normal.

Instead the economy has tanked, working class is broke and can't afford somewhere to live, the middle class is shrinking, tax returns have fallen, the government now is in a spiral of doom selling off assets, the debt has never been higher, and it's all about managing decline only nobody's made it official yet.

No government will tax wealth or billionaires, least of all the current one. The alternative proposed is expel illegal immigrants and make government more efficient (cuts) in an attempt to stop the electorate switching to Reform, a far right party where they want to expel immigrants and cut the welfare state which is already cut to the bone.

Sound familiar? In some respects the UK is ahead of the US, but I think the US is speed running it and it has less of a safety net anyway. I'm pretty sure the US will have overtaken the UK in four years.
 
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Hitler was a natural demagogue but unlike Trump he was intelligent and he had an ideology. If he hadn't stuck at corporal in WW1 but made it to the officer class his strategic intelligence would have been much more dangerous, and it was bad enough. He understood economic warfare; Trump's understanding of economics is at the level of "Pull this big red lever."

No, Hitler was not an expert strategist. I could write a very long off-topic post but trust me he just wasn't. His invasion of the USSR was a meme for strategic incompetence before memes were a thing. Most importantly, the Japanese had (correctly) suggested invading the British Middle-East and linking up in British India instead of invading the USSR.

This is actually important: literally the only thing the Nazis were good at was propaganda, but they were very good at it. That was what made them dangerous.
 
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I say, has anyone noticed the fine cut of this person's jib?
Has anyone noticed how hilarious it is watching a flock of geese chase screaming suburban yoga butts?

Next I think I'll head up to the lightrail station, feed birds until I get a nice flock, then toss the bread into a train so all the birds fly in and I cheerfully wave as the automated door closes.

"It's performance art in homage to Hitchcock's 'The Birds'!" is what I'll try to tell the cops, but it'll probably come out more like "Ow my face!! I'm not resisting! GragggreaeggreeahurgahruAAAA!" as I pee myself from the taser.
 
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I can think of several reasons:
The detained individuals are denied access to lawyers.
The families of the detained individuals fear the consequences of legal resistance.
The detained individuals cannot afford lawyers.
The detained individuals don't speak the language that their captors speak.
The detained individuals don't have family outside.
The families of the detained individuals don't yet know they are missing.
You know, fascism.
 
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When Elon sent that email to all federal employees asking for 5 bullet points on what they'd done, I'm surprised no-one gave the address to non-employees to play with. That could cause some havoc. Still could with these DOGE morons.
You aren't on Bluesky, are you?
Someone DID give out the actual email for the replies from anyone who wanted to do it.


View: https://bsky.app/profile/srednieel.bsky.social/post/3liv5utzo3c2b


The result was the mailbox was overfull within hours if not minutes. It was a valid email, and everyone had their own 5 bullet points to suggest. There was much merriment with this. I'm pretty sure that's why the whole thing was abandoned within a week-not a month as stated.

That's a classic form of resistance-"Flood the zone".

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tech-issues-hit-doges-5-things-email-requirement/story?id=120189752
 
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I have to believe they thing they are doing the right thing, but even so it’s myopic and foolish to think anyone should have such unchecked power, regardless of what it is used for.
When one of the staffers is named “bigballs” and knowingly helped a cybercrime ring, I’m not going to give them any benefit of the doubt. They are gleefully tearing the federal government to shreds so that they will be rewarded with a senior management position when Musk starts up his totalitarian network state in Texas.
 
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State lines don't define political leanings. It is urban vs rural. States that happen to have a higher percentage of urban population lean Democratic. The highest D-voting areas are Washington, D.C. and Manhattan, both large urban centers. The reddist US state, Wyoming, is also the one with the lowest population.
There has been fairly strong self selection going on for decades. The small town in a very red state that I grew up in is still the same population as it was when I was in high school four decades ago. Nobody I know that I went to college with is still living in that state. It was made known to me, even as a cis, hetero, white male, that I should look to moving someplace else because questioning the establishment was frowned upon. I have at times posited that the good 'ol boy oligarchs that control the state make it a repressive mis-managed hell hole just for the purpose of identifying and chasing out anybody that might disrupt their control. A statement I made in jest but that those people I went to college with agreed is probably the case. Of course, I moved to a large city where there were economic opportunities and the benefits of civilization. Meanwhile, the people who stayed still have the idea of NYC in the 70's as it was in movies and TV as what cities are like.
 
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No, Hitler was not an expert strategist. I could write a very long off-topic post but trust me he just wasn't. His invasion of the USSR was a meme for strategic incompetence before memes were a thing. Most importantly, the Japanese had (correctly) suggested invading the British Middle-East and linking up in British India instead of invading the USSR.
You don't need to write a long and off topic post, you just need to read what I actually wrote instead of what you decided I wrote, and realise what you are disagreeing with is not my position.
 
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