The SEC's seeking "$150 million in alleged unjust enrichment plus a penalty", but no mention of how big the latter might be.150 million? Essentially zero dollars as far as Musk is concerned. Why even bother?
I feel like the norm against punitive damages ensures the rich never face consequences. Is there hope this could change?
When Democratic representatives wield power, we call it tyranny. When Republican representatives wield power, we ask why the other side didn’t stop them.Remember, it's only "weaponization of the government" if a Democrat does it. It's totally fine if Republican's use "activist" Judges, remove security details from people they don't like, and use departments and commission's to go after people they don't like or disagree with.
penalties need to start being a % of current stock value or % of gross annual earnings similar to the EU.The SEC's seeking "$150 million in alleged unjust enrichment plus a penalty", but no mention of how big the latter might be.
There is no penalty appreciable enough in the American justice system for Musk to ever care, and that was true even before he bought a president.The SEC's seeking "$150 million in alleged unjust enrichment plus a penalty", but no mention of how big the latter might be.
Unfortunately, that's not quite true.There is no penalty appreciable enough in the America justice system for Musk to ever care, and that was true even before he bought a president.
The thing about accounting crimes is the investigation can be so complicated that investigators throw up there hands. Look at Enron. It took 5 years to bring Lay and Skilling to trial.Who has jurisdiction over the purported $1.4 Bn missing from Tesla's accounting?
The FTC? SEC? IRS? DOJ? FBI? NSA? Secret Service? Maybe Elon is counting on them all getting stuck trying to get in the door at the same time, like a Three Stooges skit.
150 million? Essentially zero dollars as far as Musk is concerned. Why even bother?
I feel like the norm against punitive damages ensures the rich never face consequences. Is there hope this could change?
Trumpexecutive order targets the allegedorders "weaponization of the federal government"
I remember when I could look at corrupt countries - with names with Democratic Republic - which were pure kleptocracies, and thought, 'glad I live in a strong democracy.' Little did I know.It's absolutely disgusting that overt corruption is now a feature rather than a bug in our system.
150 million? Essentially zero dollars as far as Musk is concerned. Why even bother?
I feel like the norm against punitive damages ensures the rich never face consequences. Is there hope this could change?
The naked corruption and self dealing will never stop shocking me. I hope.The one dissent reportedly came from Republican Mark Uyeda, who was subsequently named acting SEC chairman by Trump.
Good.Uyeda also asked SEC enforcement staff "to declare that a case they wanted to bring against Elon Musk was not motivated by politics, an unusual request that the staffers refused," Bloomberg reported last month. Reuters said its sources confirmed that "staff refused to sign the pledge, as it is not typical SEC practice."
In some countries, the fine amounts are related to the transgressor's income, like it should be. $150M for Muskrat represents less than 0.05% of his alleged wealth. If you are paid $50K a year, that would amount to a $25 fine. What a crushing blow.150 million? Essentially zero dollars as far as Musk is concerned. Why even bother?
I feel like the norm against punitive damages ensures the rich never face consequences. Is there hope this could change?
Why? Are you against domestic manufacturing?Only with an imported device from France.
Indeed, that is exactly why they are billionaires! The money just somehow fell into their hands! In fact, that is exactly why the grifter in chief continually runs so many scams, he doesn't need the money, he just wants it.They even made the argument that billionaires are more honest because they don't need the money.
All penalties should be eliminated.
The money all goes to the government
and never the people that have been violated.
We don't need individuals deciding the amount
of 'punitive' amounts which have become ridiculously excessive.
Bush was on Colbert Report a few years ago and was asked something about the nuclear codes (IIRC). He responded with "I can't even spell nuclear!"The naked corruption and self dealing will never stop shocking me. I hope.
Good.
Signing political loyalty pledges in the agencies of the executive branch is not a practice we should ever assent to, and if it creeps in somewhere, it must be ruthlessly eradicated at the first opportunity.
These agencies are not the president's goon squads.
...ya'll remember when Bush was the most shocking bad guy? God, what I wouldn't give to have the shoe-dodger-in-chief back. I never thought I'd want THAT.
But at least Bush lived on the same planet as the rest of us, wasn't grossly malicious, or even grossly incompetent—frankly, people who say he was are immune to evidence—for all the bad shit he did actually do.
Well, there's that South Carolina firing squad, which is already warmed up!The SEC's seeking "$150 million in alleged unjust enrichment plus a penalty", but no mention of how big the latter might be.
There are currently at least 20 threads on here where I could post this, and there are THOUSANDS of Youtube videos and blog articles where I could post this every single day:I remember when I could look at corrupt countries - with names with Democratic Republic - which were pure kleptocracies, and thought, 'glad I live in a strong democracy.' Little did I know.
I even miss Sarah Palin...The naked corruption and self dealing will never stop shocking me. I hope.
Good.
Signing political loyalty pledges in the agencies of the executive branch is not a practice we should ever assent to, and if it creeps in somewhere, it must be ruthlessly eradicated at the first opportunity.
These agencies are not the president's goon squads.
...ya'll remember when Bush was the most shocking bad guy? God, what I wouldn't give to have the shoe-dodger-in-chief back. I never thought I'd want THAT.
But at least Bush lived on the same planet as the rest of us, wasn't grossly malicious, or even grossly incompetent—frankly, people who say he was are immune to evidence—for all the bad shit he did actually do.
Americans were more upset about New Coke than they are about New Fascism taking over their country.There are currently at least 20 threads on here where I could post this, and there are THOUSANDS of Youtube videos and blog articles where I could post this every single day:
It's absolutely amazing how deep the impression of the average American by external observers in the rest of the liberal democratic West has cratered. It seems more and more like you have bred and nurtured a society of under- and misinformed spineless ultra-individualist cowards. Sleepwalking morons who are utterly clueless and helpless about how to stop - or even slightly bother- an authoritarian dictator who is taking over their democracy RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. Just about every damn HOUR, another blatant red flag gets raised, another pathetic - supposedly bullwark against this kind of thing - potential obstacle gets rolled over.
It's absolutely unbelievable, pathetic, humiliating, disappointing, hair-pullingly frustrating. Baffling, unreal, otherworldly and frightening.
Compare this to what's currently happening in f*cking Turkey, probably considered a half Islamic theocratic hellhole by most Americans.
Seriously, wake-the-fuck-up, and get those electric chairs out of longterm storage. Win back some f*cking basic respect.
Set a goal of kicking at least 5 lethargic sleepwalkers per week in motion, whatever, but don't just sit onyour lazy ass while the window of opportunity closes.
/rant over
You do realize that "the government" is the people, right? It can be used where tax dollars are normally used instead.All penalties should be eliminated.
The money all goes to the government
and never the people that have been violated.
We don't need individuals deciding the amount
of 'punitive' amounts which have become ridiculously excessive.
The way I see it, US has always had this sort of profound contradiction where it is culturally and rhetorically disconnected from reality in many ways. Dysfunctional, but also wealthy and powerful, amoral but claims it is God's Gift to the World, structurally corrupt but identifies as the world's exemplar of integrity. It's everything. Leads in many areas of science (post-war anyway) but half the population is willfully anti-science and anti-intellectual. Played a leading role in coming up with the concept of international law and the League and UN charters and contributed to many conventions, but doesn't ratify or respect them itself. A continuous identity crisis in divisions and contradictions and compromises all the way back to the three-fifths one, and probably further than that.I remember when I could look at corrupt countries - with names with Democratic Republic - which were pure kleptocracies, and thought, 'glad I live in a strong democracy.' Little did I know.
Well that stuff tasted just like Pepsi, but it was in a Coke can.Americans were more upset about New Coke than they are about New Fascism taking over their country.