Carnivorous oyster mushrooms can kill roundworms with “nerve gas in a lollipop”

lcklspckl

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Horror! How dare you glorify the poisoning of my kind. Oh, you're just telling us about it...well, I don't like those kind of mushroom anyway.

Edit: Came back to say that human me loves to eat murderous mushrooms and has, indeed, grown them before--for murdering apparently--and tasty stir-fries.
 
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Wonder what 3-octanone from those mushrooms does in the human system? And since they’re volatile, I’m assuming cooking/sautéing the mushrooms lowers the toxicity profile?
It's actually used a flavouring agent and as a scent agent in products for human consumption. Gives things a "fruity, cheesy, mushroom odour", which makes sense.

Fruity, cheesy, musty, mushroom.
 
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Wonder what 3-octanone from those mushrooms does in the human system? And since they’re volatile, I’m assuming cooking/sautéing the mushrooms lowers the toxicity profile?
Probably not much.
"3-Octanone is a natural ketone found in a variety of sources such as plants (such as lavender),[3] herbs (such as rosemary),[4] and fruits (such as nectarine).[5]

It is used as a flavor and fragrance ingredient.[" (Wiki)
 
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Wonder what 3-octanone from those mushrooms does in the human system? And since they’re volatile, I’m assuming cooking/sautéing the mushrooms lowers the toxicity profile?
As a class Nemacitides aren't something you want to ingest (especially, I suppose, if you are a nematode). They seem to be fairly toxic.

EDIT: Although this one apparently is in nectarines (see above). Glad I don't like nectarines.

As always, the dose makes the poison.
 
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Interesting that such a simple molecule could be so toxic. It's just a straight-chain octane with an oxygen.
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/3-OctanoneView attachment 50470
The headline comparing this to "nerve gas" is exaggerated. It's really only toxic to microscopic organisms, where it creates a surfactant interface between the Oxygen and the carbon chain, and in high enough concentration it can dissolve the membranes of microscopic organisms. These types of ketones are mostly harmless to organisms with skin. In fact, these ketones actually tend to contribute to the slight "fruity/floral accents" for a wide variety of plants.
 
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zogus

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I, for one, welcome our fungal overlords. I have personally designed several temperature-controlled accommodations with full coteries of attendants for them, including a wok for Chinese stir fries with sliced carrots and oyster sauce, a skillet for marinated mushroom with peppercorn, garlic and lemon juice, and a hot pot with dashi, fish, leek and Napa cabbage. Mmm.

More seriously, I assume that the reason I‘ve eaten farmed oyster mushrooms dozens of times with no repurcussion is because the toxic chemicals are volatile, which implies that they evaporate upon cooking.
 
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The headline comparing this to "nerve gas" is exaggerated. It's really only toxic to microscopic organisms, where it creates a surfactant interface between the Oxygen and the carbon chain, and in high enough concentration it can dissolve the membranes of microscopic organisms. These types of ketones are mostly harmless to organisms with skin. In fact, these ketones actually tend to contribute to the slight "fruity/floral accents" for a wide variety of plants.
Humans handle high levels of simple ketones just fine. Nail polish removal is often acetone(2-propanone), and it's safe to soak your fingers in it. Methyl ethyl ketone(2-butanone) is used similarly. It's like how hand sanitizer uses ethanol to kill bacteria, while humans drink it recreationally.

The nerve agent here is actually potassium. Coincidentally, that also blocks nerve function in humans. That's why lethal injections used potassium chloride to stop the heart.

P.S. While ketones are a factor in those odors, I associate fruity notes more with esters. For example, ethyl acetate is primarily responsible for fruitiness in young wines as it exists in equilibrium with acetic acid (i.e. vinegar) and ethanol.
 
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Loved the article. The article mentions in one place that the fungus may be carnivorous because rotting wood is low in protein and then ends with the speculated reason being that rotting wood is low in nitrogen. Are there theories for both those reasons: low nitrogen and low protein?
That's the same reason just put two different ways.
 
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zogus

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Loved the article. The article mentions in one place that the fungus may be carnivorous because rotting wood is low in protein and then ends with the speculated reason being that rotting wood is low in nitrogen. Are there theories for both those reasons: low nitrogen and low protein?
The two statements are saying the same thing differently. Nitrogen is needed by organisms because it is a primary component of amino acid (“amino” being cognate with “ammonia,” which is a compound of nitrogen and hydrogen), which in turn make up protein.
 
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Nematodes are part of the non. But they are not an obstruction to Juffo-Wup. Not all non is.

By being absorbed, they can become part of the Juffo-Wup, and no longer non. Instead, they nourish, and in so doing,

Juffo-Wup is All... omni-existent, spreading and changing the Non into Juffo-Wup. You are the Non, who must become Juffo-Wup or Void.
 
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