Cable companies and Trump’s FCC chair agree: Data caps are good for you

That's a flat out fucking lie.



Yes, she fucking did. And when did Trump detail his plans? What did he say he was going to do?


And those people are completely fucking stupid.
Well, Waltz didn't help her case. Because when he was asked, point blank, what his plans were for addressing the cost of housing in the US, he fumbled it. Badly. And it's not like he shouldn't know what it would take to address the problem. His state is doing it, and under his supervision, no less. But he either forgot about it or wouldn't say it, because he knew the answer would be unpopular with a large percentage of voters and wildly unpopular with the wealthy and powerful who are (knowing or otherwise) exploiting the socially toxic housing market to make themselves rich.

But you are right. There a lot of completely fucking stupid Americans making a lot of completely fucking stupid choices. And it's pretty hard to reach those kinds of people and reason with them. Especially when you have scum like Trump howling in their ears 24/7/365.
 
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I mean, at this point, it seems that if you want change you're going to have to get your hands dirty.

Large, noisy, unpleasant protests at all cable company headquarters for as long as it takes to remind them of their place.
You mean under the same government that gave anti-protestors explicit permission to use vehicles to run over protestors?? The same government that repeatedly and violently attacks any protests that might upset the status quo in any way. The same government that dispatches 'law enforcement' armed with military hardware at even the slightest sign of a protest with anti-corporate sentiment?

I think you might be misjudging the situation....
 
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No, they didn’t. Voters beleived that Trump would make things cheaper for them. They didn’t understand cheaper meant the same price for less, not lower prices for the same thing. It will take time for voters to realize they’ve been had because they BELIEVE in Trump. How long does it take for a false god to fall from grace? We will find out in real time while the rest of the world continues to wonder how the USA can be so rich and powerful and technologically advanced, but still elect someone like Trump.
They believed this because he cross his heart told them things would be cheaper despite mountains of demonstrable evidence that reality would be the exact opposite. His followers willfully ignore anything contrary to what he says.

They don't get to be shocked and upset when they're shown the boot. They get to eat it and own it because even when it goes bad they'll remain quiet about Trump's involvement if they even internally acknowledge it or flat out blame others.

We shouldn't let these people off the hook. We told them and they still hit send.

They absolutely voted for all of this.
 
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I keep saying this, I am very happy with my ISPs data cap. It is 250GB, I never hit it. If I do I can buy a few extra GB for that month, or have a very slow internet speed. If I need more than 250GB every month, there are plenty of nice upgrades that cost extra. Not only the cap goes up, but the internet speeds get ridiculously fast. Nice!

My parents, my parents in law, brother in law and my many sisters all have the lowest subscription with 250GB a month. None of them hit the limit. Ever. (Yes, my many sisters have many children that watch youtube) The in-laws do not reproduce in large numbers.

My tech fancy colleagues on the other hand complain about datacaps a lot. 250GB is way too low! What is this, the middle ages? The culprit? Watching tv shows in 4k and HDR on their fancy over the top OLED displays. Oh yes, they do download a linux distribution. (over and over I guess)

Let them pay extra for that. They love complaining about it.

* I live in Belgium, ISPs actually do invest in their networks here, it does change the story a bit, I think.
Wow, they do something crazy like...stream TV? Those fucking hooligans!

/s

And now you know why caps exist. Watching TV not from the cable company? That'll cost ya!
 
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I hate data caps, and I currently have an ISP that doesn't impose data caps.

But... here's my argument for no regulation.

1. Cable internet is widely avaiable.
2. 5G to the home is becoming even more available, and most don't have data caps.
3. Starlink is getting more prevalent, and there isn't a data cap there.
4. Fiber to the home is slowly getting to more and more homes...

So... I think where this all goes is that competition will force reasonable data caps over time. I understand there are still plenty of households (like my parents) that are stuck with a single internet offering, but it won't stay that way.
 
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Wow, they do something crazy like...stream TV? Those fucking hooligans!

/s

And now you know why caps exist. Watching TV not from the cable company? That'll cost ya!
I was watching an interview with a crypto scammer and the scammer, trying to argue that his ponzi scheme was sustainable promising much more Rewards/returns than subscription income was "sustainable" because if a victim were to attempt to withdraw their balance that would be labeled as "abuse" of the service and get the account locked.

We see the same "scammer calls normal use abuse" tactic coming up in defense of data caps here.

There's no rational basis for arguing people should "pay extra" to use what they already paid for and to falsely insinuate such users are taking more than their share.

Overusing one's internet subscription is not a thing. Really, one would have to hack the ISP's hardware and systems to make that a reality.
 
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No, they didn’t. Voters beleived that Trump would make things cheaper for them. They didn’t understand cheaper meant the same price for less, not lower prices for the same thing. It will take time for voters to realize they’ve been had because they BELIEVE in Trump. How long does it take for a false god to fall from grace? We will find out in real time while the rest of the world continues to wonder how the USA can be so rich and powerful and technologically advanced, but still elect someone like Trump.
Add to that the minor detail that 40% of the voting eligible members of the public's votes either got lost and were not counted, or else that percentage decided to not vote at all (a mix is also possible). Thus, there is currently no evidence that the majority of voters actually wanted this, although there is clear evidence that some actually did.
 
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Why were there no presidential campaign ads about this? Would have been such an easy one for Democrats:
"Vote Harris to remove data caps"
Because the people who voted for Trump wouldn't know what that meant, have no idea how that would impact them personally, or have already been convinced that data caps are a 'good thing.' Just like tariffs. And while you're trying to educate them about it, they've been spoon fed a hundred other equally effective lies that make them even more likely to vote for a 'Trump' and that much harder to pull out of their cult bubble.

That's what reality is up against -- an avalanche of lies. Preemptive lies, specifically designed to drown out the truth (like how the 2020 election was being 'stolen' before it even started). And the truth is powerless against that. Especially when that avalanche is being used on a poorly educated, heavily indoctrinated and willingly subservient population. And conservatives know it. That's why it's been the backbone of their political platform for decades. It's cheap and effective. Just keep pivoting from one lie to another, never giving anyone time actually think critically about what they're being told let alone stop to evaluate any of it after the fact.
 
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I hate data caps, and I currently have an ISP that doesn't impose data caps.

But... here's my argument for no regulation.

1. Cable internet is widely avaiable.
2. 5G to the home is becoming even more available, and most don't have data caps.
3. Starlink is getting more prevalent, and there isn't a data cap there.
4. Fiber to the home is slowly getting to more and more homes...

So... I think where this all goes is that competition will force reasonable data caps over time. I understand there are still plenty of households (like my parents) that are stuck with a single internet offering, but it won't stay that way.
"It won't stay that way"?? Why won't it stay that way? The cable companies have agreed to not compete with one other. Or did you think they just accidentally have zero fucking overlap? Wireless ISPs are better than nothing, but they're a poor replacement for a proper wired network (at this point it should be fiber, let's stop dicking around). Terrestrial and satellite wireless do not scale. You can't connect everyone in a dense environment via wireless. There's only so much RF spectrum to go around.

My parents have had one cable ISP for decades. No competition. And it's so unreliable, they're actually using cellular instead. It's usually more stable, but it's slower and suffers severely from congestion. And they live outside of a small town. In any reasonably populated area? Forget about it.

My current house is literally the first time in my entire life I've had a choice in ISPs. It's between a DOCSIS network that just literally can't compete because of the technology (30Mbps up is a fucking joke) and a fiber ISP that offers 1+Gbps. Has the cable company done anything to try to compete? No, they offer the same shit service at the same shit prices they do anywhere else in the country that they service. Their "selling point" is bundling cable and phone service. I know this because I get spam mail from them every single month. No, thanks. And this absolute dogshit of a choice is better than a lot of people in this country have. At least 1) I have a choice at all and 2) fiber is available to me. That puts me in the minority.

Just letting the ISPs do whatever they want is what got us into this mess in the first place. They take money to expand their networks, pocket it, give us the fucking finger, and then go crying to the government for money money and less regulation. Fuck em. They had their chances. Far too many chances. They've demonstrated they can't be trusted to run a fucking lemonade stand let alone national scale networking infrastructure without fucking over anyone and everyone to make a buck.
 
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If there is one truth it's that Trump's staffing picks across the board are the lowest forms of human beings and they will bleed this country until it collapses. Every single day it gets worse than the last and we haven't even hit January yet.
The technical term is a “kakistocracy”: “a state or society governed by its least suitable or least competent citizens.” and this will simply be version 2 since version 1 happened in his first term.
 
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Maybe they'll wake up when fresh fruits and vegetables soar in price because there's no one to pick and process them, but it's more likely they'll wake up when they can't stream more than two movies a month without breaking their data caps.
It's pretty sad that some of us are considering the modern equivalent of "victory gardens" and canning, because we could see the trainwreck of mass deportations a mile away on the food supply. Not where I thought I'd be in the 21st century. Prepping against the government destroying the economy on purpose.
 
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Fuck these guys. And you know what? Fuck the Democrats for wasting four entire years and taking this long to get around to it.
The Democratic Party has historically shown great skill in "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory". For example, Garland has been a repeat moderator for The Federalist Society, which exactly explains why he sat on his hands for so many years. Biden appointed him to the AG position to avoid being seen as partisan, and we have seen how well "going high" works out.
 
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The Democratic Party has historically shown great skill in "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory". For example, Garland has been a repeat moderator for The Federalist Society, which exactly explains why he sat on his hands for so many years. Biden appointed him to the AG position to avoid being seen as partisan, and we have seen how well "going high" works out.
Basically to actually win, we need to get the elderly members out who are still governing like they are up against the Republican party of 1950.
 
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Well done USA! Electing the convicted felon who can control hurricanes with a sharpie.
He also has a lot of assistance from religionists, since they can control hurricanes with prayer:
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/living/religion/article218206305.html while some still claim hurricanes are from sin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson_controversies
and yet others are sure that either the Chinese have hurricane guns, or the Democrats actually have complete control of the weather, including hurricanes:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-hurricane-gun-china-world-war-1350638/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...reene-weather-control-hurricane-b2626699.html
There are large segments of the US population that are sufficiently ignorant, credulous, and superstitious enough to believe these, so the obvious Felon45 approach is to remove the US Department of Education.

The battle against science will turn the US into a Third World, or even worse, country.
 
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The technical term is a “kakistocracy”: “a state or society governed by its least suitable or least competent citizens.” and this will simply be version 2 since version 1 happened in his first term.
Though looking at his announced department appointment, Trump's building more of a Cacastocracy.
 
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I've never seen so many people so passionately ignorant. Dedicated to being ignorant even, as if it were a badge of rare honor.
If you happened to notice the activities of creationists over the decades, admitting being wrong is considered “weak”, while always being certain is considered “strong”, regardless of any facts. Make no mistake, the MAGA movement is fundamentalism in action. I have personally seen creationists openly brag about being uneducated: (“I didn't go to no [college or university] because they will turn your head around to where you will believe anything”). They are way too stupid to recognize irony, even when it is explained to them. That was part of a talk with an actual creationist technician working for a high-tech company that was eventually decimated by similarly thinking goons who got control of it decades ago. And so goes the nation.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBCDZIY7Z5o
 
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Though looking at his announced department appointment, Trump's building more of a Cacastocracy.
Kakistocracy, as was his first term. Anti-public education creationist Betsy DeVos was in charge of the Department of Education, Scott Pruitt was put in charge of the EPA that he had sued 14 times before his appointment, etc.

*”Pruitt could be the most hostile EPA administrator toward clean air and safe drinking water in history”. DeVos had never set foot in any public school, but she was instrumental in funneling public tax money towards creationist schools.

Note that Mike Johnson is currently third in line for the presidency, and he is a young Earth creationist who helped funnel public tax money towards building Noah’s big box in Kentucky.
 
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I'm not too excited about a populist vote. Mainly because doing so will limit representation to those areas with a high population density. The Electoral College is still working in that way even if it wasn't originally envisioned as such.
Gosh, you are correct. It is much better that the minority decide for the nation than to let the majority do that. Surely the founders actually wanted minority rule. /S

And of course you would not know anything about the EC and racism.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/electoral-colleges-racist-origins
 
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Fall from grace? Oh you poor, sweet, summer child. If 2016-2020 didn't involve a fall from grace - and it didn't - what makes you think the next Administration will? If anything, he's been exalted even higher. The mind truly boggles.
In fact, one of the dumbest apologetics for Felon45 is that he was inexperienced last time but this time he is more experienced so he will do much better! It sounds like a Susan Collins quote, but it isn't.
 
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That's a flat out fucking lie.

Yes, she fucking did. And when did Trump detail his plans? What did he say he was going to do?

And those people are completely fucking stupid.
All of those talking points and more are just continuing efforts to gaslight. Many are spawned by Russian trolls, since MAGA is not smart enough to come up anything remotely complicated. A recent Russian troll was claiming to be solidly against Felon45 but voted for him anyway because:

"I could not vote for Harris either because her lack of knowledge on economics was so evident. Her even mentioning taxing unrealized capital gains showed me this."

Of course, he conveniently left out the part about that only applying to those with a net worth of at least $100M. Is he actually in that group?

There are MANY gas-lighting goons active on the net trying to convince people that Felon45 won a "free and fair election" and just to relax because everything will be fine. And Harris actually lost because she was such a bad candidate; some of the dimmer democrats are even falling for that one.
 
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one of things about the town I live in that helped get me here was municipal fiber. The lines are owned by the town, the connection is provided by a regional broadband cooperative. Governance belong to the people who live here, not a board or a CEO.
be grateful municipal fiber is actually legal in your area! there are 18? states where it is not at all legal, and countless jurisdictions that have signed exclusivity agreements.
 
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Company claims you violated a data cap, that's it. There's no magic way to prove otherwise, they bill you and you owe them more. They have no reason not to do so in the US as most of these companies are monopolies.

I recall a story of a network engineer who had meticulous logs of how much data he was using. The ISP still claimed he was over his cap. They would provide neither proof nor info on how they were collecting their usage data.
 
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That's a flat out fucking lie.



Yes, she fucking did. And when did Trump detail his plans? What did he say he was going to do?


And those people are completely fucking stupid.
absolutely, My point was that this is a group of people who have created a belief system that lacks anything resembling logic, or hell I'll take half logic. What they are saying makes sense (to a small degree) IF they had any facts to back them. The problem is that they are convinced they DO have facts. To be honest it really doesn't matter if they do or don't because they are going to act as if they do and that is the largest problem. How do you get people who believe they are being hunted by "enemies" who are "brainwashed" when they are the absolute definition of those very people. I've tried and nothing works. These people are going to be a larger problem than most think. I was happy to vote for Harris because I felt that she was the better (by a long shot) candidate, but these people think i'm an "elite" who is after their paycheck because i am greedy who wants to take away their rights and make them all martyrs. That is a VERY large wall to get through.
 
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In other words, you're mad the playing field would be made equal and your vote wouldn't mean MORE than anybody else's anymore. You fear equality.
A populist vote literally disenfranchises states with small populations, but maybe you'd be happy with New York City, Los Angeles, and other large cities deciding what's best for the country.
 
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