The fact that the company you work for has grow by 5 fold is not any indication that giving your design/code(and I still doubt you completely about the source code) thing works.<P>Has it anything to do with the fact that your company had a product that others did not have???? Or maybe the fact that technology stock has been the flavour of the last 2 years? Simply sounds like the company you work for has grown on paper, it may just as easily fall to only 100million. <P><BR>Please tell me, ie yes or no, do u give your competitors the source code / or allow them to rip of your designs. <P>Would thecompany you work for take other companys to court of intellectual rights/patents if they were infringed upon???<P>By the way, I know very few companies(actually none) that are worth 250 Million that hold the IT industry in balance. Think you have a slightly over inflated feeling for the company. if the company was to fail, which other have aparently in you section, they would be eaten up. 250million is nothing these days.<BR> <BR>Simply questions EM. <P>By the way mother fucker, yes you EM, I have worked for 5 years and studied at the same time. I work 60-70hr a week and studied for my BIT, I have seen friends die from disease/overdoses, I have pulled friends out of drug abuse, I have seen third world slums(indonesia) on my holidays only 500meters from an amusement park for the rich...cause I wanted to see the real world, I live and work in the real world. Do not tell me that I have not lived in the real world, you middle age, white( I imagine you are), 2.3 children, white picket fence, dog named spot, god fearing piece of trash.<P>You live in America, the country known for it's unreality.<P>Chipper regards View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR><I>Originally posted by Happy_Aardvark:</I><BR>[Much hysterical ranting snipped]<BR>...I live and work in the real world. Do not tell me that I have not lived in the real world, you middle age, white( I imagine you are), 2.3 children, white picket fence, dog named spot, god fearing piece of trash.<P>You live in America, the country known for it's unreality.<P>Chipper regards View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Uh, H-A you live in a country known for originally being settled with criminals and having high skin cancer rates. You could at least strive for some originality in your tragic attempts at being insulting because right now you're, to quote John McCain, all hat and no cattle. View image: http://forum.arstechnica.com/forum/ubb/tongue.gif <P>cheers<P>
Happy aardvark said:<P>"middle age, white( I imagine you are), 2.3 children, white picket fence, dog named spot, god fearing piece of trash.<P>You live in America, the country known for it's unreality."<P>Wah, that's fine, coming from an Australian, the country known for its right-wing government that's insisting that all ISPs must include (and charge for) censorship software in the deal for each customer. And *that,* IIRC, was some compromise because they wanted to censor every Australian site (or did they manage that as well?).<P>H-A, before you feel you can define "reality," consider that you live in a country which has the greatest proportion of people living in suburbia in the world. <P>
Aardvark,<P>1.) I NEVER said I coded for my company. Stop assuming things.<P>2.) Considering the rate of growth of the IC industry and that it is expected to continue to do so until 2003 the chances of that are possible but unlikely.<P>3.) Duh of course they would, but then again the stuff I am working on is neither intellectual rights nor patents.<P>4.) Our robots are used by the biggest IC makers in the industry (and BTW all of Apple's TFT displays which come from Samsung (IE ALL of them) are made by our robots), meaning that we are very important to the IC and TFT industry. Could they survive without us? Of course, but it would be very painful as our robots, in the 8 steps of the IC assembly route, are the most commonly used by a factor of 4-8x in 6 of the steps.<P><BR>How quaint Aardvark, before I graduated from both High School, College and Grad School, I worked with the handicapped in the states developing tools to allow them to communicate better and interface with the rest of the world via comptuers and robotics. What is your point?<P>If it were not for America you would not have, electricity, lights, transisitors, IC's, personal computers, Macs or the Internet.... so that unreality must do rather good...<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR><I>Originally posted by AudioDrive:</I><BR>***SOLD IT FOR FREE ***<P>How do you "sell" something for "free"??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You can either charge for <B>labor</B>, or <B>distribution (shipping/handling)</B>, or <B>distribution-media (cdrom/floppy/zip/etc)</B>, or <B>support</B>, etc etc etc...<P>Any more questions about charging money for something free?<P><BR>--treatment--
<B>OI!</B> Stop knocking Australia View image: /infopop/emoticons\icon_wink.gif...Venture, Your spot on about our stupid right wing government (John Howard used to(still does) support the white Australia policy, thus he is a racist, just won't admit it any more) They've well and truly made Australia the Global Village Idiot...I am not happy!
Anyone want to know what amazes me? WHY IN HELL DOES MAC CARE? Look at what Apple has ripped off of other companies? Hmmmmm I'd have to say that there are no iMac mock ups! look! I saw 500 e-Machines that are somethign which Aplle said were iMac mockups! This is what I heard from and e-Machines rep and I quote "Our All-in-One is a better quality computer. Has better components, has newer/faster/bigger components in it and we are selling it for less than Apple is selling their iMacs for. I have to say that these computers are completely LEGAL and always will be considering that we have a patent for our All-in-One and it is seperate from the iMac."<BR>Look is it that hard for Mac users to understand that they will never have a foothold in the market? I think that Apple needs to chill. Like who was it IMarshal said "no other oses are whinning about anything!" Not in the past 3 years has there been a major "Patent enfringment" case that didn't involve Apple opening the case!<P>Dark
Boy oh boy, the places a thread will go....<BR>By the way, my dog's name is NOT spot, and the fence hasn't been painted in years. View image: /infopop/emoticons\icon_wink.gif<P>Australia... I've been lucky enough to visit Perth. Beautiful place.
EM,<BR> Multimillion dollar companies do not, control multibillion dollar companies.<BR>By the way, you don't code, you don't design(visual), you are not a lawyer in intellectal lawsuits, what then allows you to make such statements about apple.<BR>I put it to you EM, that you again are no one. Plain and simple, no one, with no idea on the matter. View image: /infopop/emoticons\icon_wink.gif<P>The point EM, is that you made the statement about my life....something which you know very little about. <P>As for linux, true, this is one of the OSes that does make money and share it's code. I guess they have to as part of the open source situation, not many other companies I would imagine though. <P>
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At our company we make Customer Care and Billing software for the telecommunications industry. Our source code is our livelyhood. Without our source we have nothing. We are very careful about who we even allow to see our screen shots as that would give away hints at the true functionality of our product. I'm not too sure if we'd really go overboard if a competitor were to steal our "look and feel." I think it would be more bothersome than a concrete problem that we had to seek legal counsel for. Hard to tell.<P>As far as the open source thing goes, I can't agree with it. I work 50-60 hours a week coding for money. Sure, I love my job, but at the same time I need to pay my bills. I want nice things, I want to enjoy life. I don't see anything wrong with this outlook. As a programmer, I sell my programming skill in order to eat. IMHO, it would not be very logical for me to simply give away what I have spent years acquiring. It took a lot of dedication and perserverence to get this knowledge into my head. Why should I feel compelled to give it away? I don't demand that the guy who fixes my car do it for free? Neither do I demand that the bank executives at my bank work for free (and who knows what the hell they actually DO anyway..). Why is it that people expect programmers to code for 10+ hours a day for free? This might not be physical labor, but it is labor. Programming isn't like it was in the late 70's when the PC thing was a hobby. Times have changed and it's dead serious now. Our application competes head on with AS400 and UNIX based commercial solutions. We run on NT, a PC environment. If you would have told someone in the 70's that people would be doing multi-million customer bill runs on a PC platform they would have laughed at you. <P>Happy_aardvark, you just posted a message to an international, public forum disrespecting and degrading around 265 million people. It seems to me that making a foolish snap judgement about 265 million people is far more unreal than living in a country where the poorest immigrants have been known to become some of the world's most rich and successful people. Oportunity is a far better luxury than a hand out.<P>BTW - it sounds to me like your the one who is a white suburbanite. Feeling guilty about something? <P>>LM<
Just for some closure on the original topic...<P>Because of the controversy, the WinAqua skin it instantly became skinz.org most popular download ever, with more than twice as many downloads as the next most popular Window Blinds skin. They have since removed it again, and it looks like it won't be coming back.<P>[This message has been edited by Tao of Me (edited January 26, 2000).]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR><I>Originally posted by resteves:</I><P>The point is that Apple worked to come up with precisely that look, and why should somebody else be able to copy it. It is not a case of people trying to make an "aqua-like" interface, or just a "blue" interface. They even named it after Aqua as that is what it is supposed to look like. Apple plans on this being recognizable as an Apple interface, and doesn't want it used by others.<P>Why do you think it is okay to rip-off what others have done?<P>Good point, Resteves. <P>I've always thought it was a bit funny to see some PC users bash Apple on the slightest excuse, and then want to copy some of the key things that comprise the Mac user experience they soooooooo disdain. I emphasize the "some" users part. I'm not aware that this is a general problem, but seems to exist mostly on forums. Their position(s) could be summarized as follows. <BR> <BR>"Apple, you need to die because you suck <B>(due variously, and not in any particular order, for protecting yourself, for not protecting yourself, to being in business to make a profit, for not making enough of a profit, for controlling the integration of the hardware and software so we can't hack it, for making mistakes, for not making mistakes, for getting up in the morning, for being stupid, for being smart (but not about the things I care about), for nearly going out of business, for not going out of business, for making a competitor to the only computer (probably) I've bothered to learn how to operate, for not meeting my expectations, for failing even to include my expectations in your plans, and, best of all, for daring to come back from the dead by selling some of the most popular computers ever without asking my permission)</B>, but first, can I use your GUI? Oh, and while I'm at it, can I dictate your choice of computer platform,too, and make fun of you for daring to choose to a member of a minority?" <P>Damned if you do, damned if you don't. But you know what, it doesn't bother me any more. I figure that, in the long run, Darwinianism will filter out the dysfunctional OSs. If I'm among the survivors, I'll be happy. <P><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
<I>Just for some closure on the original topic...<P>Because of the controversy, the WinAqua skin it instantly became skinz.org most popular download ever, with more than twice as many downloads as the next most popular Window Blinds skin. They have since removed it again, and it looks like it won't be coming back.</I><P>Nothing like thrashing a dead horse, eh?<P>Russ' skin - even after the revision - still incorporated obvious copyrights (all one needed to do to bring back one of those copyrighted parts was to open the start button artwork in a graphics editor and swap'em and to end - hey look! There's a blue appple start button!)<P>There's still a candy coated, paper based skin there. It's called "skittlz." I know, because I put it there. Pissed off lots of people (Mostly kids without a grasp for parody. Not russ - I talked with him before I did it). There's also another, even more obvious "Aqua" rip - it even has the buttons backwards, just like the mac.<P>It's (most likely) there for three reasons:<P>1) ORIGINAL artwork (no screencaps. It's not that damn hard to make jelly buttons)<P>2) No copyrighted artwork.<P>3) Functional differences. Actually, I consider mine an improvement.<P>We'll see. If Aqua comes out absent a pointless clear "rollup" button, perhaps I'll have a lawsuit of my own to petition...<BR><P>[This message has been edited by poptones (edited January 26, 2000).]
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