Apple announces “iPhone 16e” to replace iPhone SE, starts at $599 for 128GB
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That's not MMwave. You're talking about Ultra Wideband. According to Apple's comparison page both MMwave and Ultra Wideband are not present on 16e.
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The weight would have to come down a lot from this 13 for me to bite.
The SE now is fine. That 13 is not even something you can put in a pocket. It's a fanny pack phone. Maybe that's Apple's market now. Purses, Europeen handbags, fanny packs, and the all time classic IT dork belt holster.
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Yes, that’s my point. New iPhones were $650. Now they are $800, and the “cheap” model is just $50 less than what we used to pay for the “regular” one.
Of course there is inflation, but with technology there is the expectation that things get cheaper or stay the same.
For comparison, there has been an entry $999 13” MacBook for a long time, and only recently it went up only $100
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Fully agree. The fact they used a unique name make it feel more like a "risky" experimental model like the iPhone 5C (anyone remember that plastic fantastic model????). Even if the design is anything but risky. Maybe it really is just a way to test out the in-house modem on a different model instead of tarnishing the big new 17 in September.
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I still have hope the 12/13 mini form factor might be released as an SE model in a year or two
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I still have hope the 12/13 mini form factor might be released as an SE model in a year or two
That would get my money even at $599.
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They also had to discontinue the iPhone SE and 14 in Europe because they didn’t use USB-C, so I’m sure this also exists to fill that lower-end market hole.
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You're not wrong about people not buying (enough of) these... at least not enough for Apple to care. I'd argue it's not because of the size though. There wasn't a big enough market for a slightly stripped-down, quasi-budget, small iPhone. That's not to say people wouldn't gladly buy a smaller iPhone Pro model.
I suspect the main reason this doesn't happen (mini iPhone Pro) is that it would run counter to their long established pricing and model hierarchy of bigger screens = more up-charge.
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I'm mostly happy with my Pixel 6a, but if the 3rd-gen iPhone SE had USB-C it would have easily won out.
This costs 20% more than the Pixel 8a's launch price of $499, but the Pixel Na typically sees a price-cut after six months, once the Pixel N+1 is released. I doubt Apple will do the same with the iPhone 16e. Perhaps a secondhand/refurbished USB-C iPhone will be the way to go.
This costs 20% more than the Pixel 8a's launch price of $499, but the Pixel Na typically sees a price-cut after six months, once the Pixel N+1 is released. I doubt Apple will do the same with the iPhone 16e. Perhaps a secondhand/refurbished USB-C iPhone will be the way to go.
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There are some genuinely out of touch comments on this thread—I addressed SraCet's "but muh burn-in" bullshit in the last thread, so I won't retread that here—but, with all due respect, this one might take the cake.
I carry an iPhone 13PM and a 2020 SE in the same pants pocket. They're not cargo pants, or anything fancy. They're just twill pants. In fact, I'm pretty sure the pockets are a little smaller than your standard jeans pockets.
If your pants cannot hold an iPhone 13, it is entirely your fault. Buy different pants. The idea that someone would have to wear a fanny pack to carry one around beggars belief, mostly because it's absolute horseshit and completely disconnected from reality.
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The 2022 SE just about made sense at $400 as an option to Android phones with a couple of years of security updates. This 16e does not.
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$599 seems extremely pricey for a low end model. How much did the last SE cost?
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This phone looks like it is for the carriers so they have a lower entry point for iph.
That makes sense as the majority get their phones on contract so that is how it is targeted and configured.
I don't think it is remotely targeted at the individual low end, simple phone buyers.
I also suspect it's yet another first rung on apple's tricksy pricing ladder.
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If that was the case, I mean if all it lacks are the magnets, that is clearly not big deal.
You need to get a case anyway and a case makes the magnets in the phone typically almost useless.
So get a case with inbuild magnets - boom magsafe works. My son has a Magsafe case for the iPhone SE2 - works like a charm.
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I hear what you are saying. However, 97% battery and no chips, scratches, or dings seems like a good value.
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People miss the big update this phone brings:
USB-C.
Is that worth the money? Not sure. Maybe the 16E gets cheaper once the iPhone 17 line comes out?
And while the iPhone 16E might be expensive, I am struggling to see what the 15s bring on the table that the 16E doesn't offer for less money.
Sure, a better variety of cameras. But that's a little thin of an argument - at least I think.
USB-C.
Is that worth the money? Not sure. Maybe the 16E gets cheaper once the iPhone 17 line comes out?
And while the iPhone 16E might be expensive, I am struggling to see what the 15s bring on the table that the 16E doesn't offer for less money.
Sure, a better variety of cameras. But that's a little thin of an argument - at least I think.
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The phone is mostly notable for its price.
Do you expect people to NOT talk about how much it costs... ?
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The no UWB is interesting - as I understand it, a lot of Apple's official API Home Key and Car Key "walk up" and "walk away" functionality depends on it.
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He says, as he retreads.
And I'll give you the same reply as I gave you last thread: just because it hasn't been a problem for YOU doesn't mean it isn't a problem. The internet is full of stories about iPhone OLED screen burn-in. Denying that the problem exists, at least for some people, is ridiculous.
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Of course it has wireless charging.
How is it that so many people have gotten MagSafe confused with wireless charging?
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Prices for EVERYTHING in general are going to CONTINUE to go up over the next few years.
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Because Apple will lower the price? When was the last time Apple lowered the price of one of their phones after only 3 months of being on sale?
... or because retailers will sell them at a discount? I don't recall ever seeing iPhones being sold at a discount anywhere, but if that's a possibility, I'd like to hear about it.
I was ready to buy this phone at $499. That hasn't changed...
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They probably lower the price when the iPhone 17 comes out. But not before.
If they don't lower the price - I think it's gonna be a much harder sell.
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Dissapointed. 6.1 inches, while it seems the market has decided is the smallest we can go, is still just slightly too big for me to comfortably use one handed. Yes, I have small hands, lets not make it a thing.
5.9 inches was my ideal size.
As to the rest of it, fine. I can live with.
But that price....oof. I knew it would go up, but WOW.
5.9 inches was my ideal size.
As to the rest of it, fine. I can live with.
But that price....oof. I knew it would go up, but WOW.
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It's simply not feasible. Three large cameras and even more power-hungry electronics would eat into battery life even more and the tepid battery life of the mini as it already was were already major reasons why the mini tanked, and that would have made it even worse!
It's a bit tired to reflexively and exclusively point to greed as the reason for absolutely everything – if Apple could have made a perfectly functional iPhone Pro mini with great battery life they would have done it and asked a corresponding price for it, it was just not possible.
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No, it is one of their best sellers, actually, as far as I'm aware!
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It at least supports Qi Basic Wireless Charging.
So Magsafe/Qi2 compatibility can be added with a suitable case.
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You'd just have to hope the charging coil location is the same as in the other iPhones... normally you could assume yes but you never know.
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Yeah.
Two iPhones were discontinued, the 14 and the SE.
And one iPhone was added, the 16e. Which looks almost identical to the 14, has most of the same features, and has the same price.
And yet people all over the internet are saying that the 16e is the replacement for the SE, not the 14. Including the headline for this article.
Seems like peoples' wires have gotten crossed.
The SE line has clearly been discontinued.
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My wife's iPhone SE is the right size for her. Why does Apple assume someone with small hands wants to "upgrade" to a shitty version of a bigger phone. It's not the price tag that sold her on the SE. Remember back in the early 2000's the Apple commercial about the size of your phone vs hands...
If not, let me remind you.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTbOd0-l1g
It seems like Apple lost focus over the last 20 years in "common sense".
If not, let me remind you.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTbOd0-l1g
It seems like Apple lost focus over the last 20 years in "common sense".
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Well, nobody says they can't reintroduce a "mini" version of a newer phone. I always thought the 13mini was an attractive proposition. It wasn't a great seller, but one might argue the iPhone SE was at least partly to blame.
In any case the potential sale numbers would be modest, so it will not be high on the priority list. And if the rumors of the "17 air" are true the case for a mini phone gets thinner.
Sure mini not equal thin and light, but it's something.
In any case the potential sale numbers would be modest, so it will not be high on the priority list. And if the rumors of the "17 air" are true the case for a mini phone gets thinner.
Sure mini not equal thin and light, but it's something.
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They haven't sold a phone that size since September 2018. That was ~7 years ago. The ship has sailed.
One-handed phone operation has always been kind of a dubious goal anyway. Useful sometimes, but typing more than a few words with one finger sucks, and some things are literally impossible to do with one finger, e.g. zooming in or out on a picture or a map.
I prefer a smaller phone just because I don't want to carry around (or hold) something bigger than I need; I'm under no illusion that it has to do with the size of my hands.
I know several petite women who love their iPhone Pluses.
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I.... don't know who this is for other than large corporate accounts who will buy it by the hundreds with a further discount.
I'm not sure what individual who has the means to buy the 16e chooses this over a 15 or springing for a full fare 16.
I'm not sure what individual who has the means to buy the 16e chooses this over a 15 or springing for a full fare 16.
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Apple was selling the iPhone 14 up until yesterday. Who was that for?
This is a sidegraded iPhone 14. Mostly better, but lacking one camera.
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Not necessarily - Apple doesn’t always cut off product support based on SoC. A10 iPads got multiple years of support beyond the iPhone 7, for instance.
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