2021 all new Fountain pens, stationery, wax seal etc thread

drogin

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Not a fountain pen, but I have a Montblanc Meisterstuck roller ball. I've had it for over 20 years at this point, but I haven't used it in a few.

Recently got the itch to use it again, but of course all of my refills were dried out/old so I ordered some more.

I actually like really fine tips. My standard pen is a Zebra Sarasa 0.4mm.

I ordered "Fine" tipped refills for the Montblanc, but it still feels like I am writing with a crayon. I honestly can't tell the difference in line width between the Mediums and the Fines...

They don't seem to say the size, and I would like to know if anyone is aware of a decent quality compatible refill that is 0.4mm. I've tried searching with mixed results...
 

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I actually like really fine tips. My standard pen is a Zebra Sarasa 0.4mm.
0.4mm is like Japanese medium. :p

Uni's 0.28mm are quite good, if expensive (typically need to get them from an importer, and the RT1 series has a relatively small ink capacity). Pentel's 0.25mm write well but are mostly available as the Slicci, which has a horribly thin barrel. Pilot's 0.25mm are, however, terrible - I have to store mine tip down (unlike all the others that don't care about storage orientation), and they still rarely write properly at first stroke. There's also Uni's 0.28mm ballpoints (Jetstream), which produce a finer line than the 0.28/0.25mm gels, but in my experience skip occasionally unlike the good gels.

Uni also used to make a 0.18mm gel, but apparently they discontinued it because it behaved as poorly as my Pilot 0.25mms.

To add some actual FP content: FPs do not write as finely as gel or ballpoint pens, regardless of the nib size. This is due to the very liquid ink, which spreads (and absorbs, if you aren't using enthusiast-grade papers) more than the gelled inks of the ball nib pens.

They don't seem to say the size, and I would like to know if anyone is aware of a decent quality compatible refill that is 0.4mm. I've tried searching with mixed results...
This guide might be of some help finding what to look or search for.
 

drogin

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I actually like really fine tips. My standard pen is a Zebra Sarasa 0.4mm.
0.4mm is like Japanese medium. :p

Uni's 0.28mm are quite good, if expensive (typically need to get them from an importer, and the RT1 series has a relatively small ink capacity). Pentel's 0.25mm write well but are mostly available as the Slicci, which has a horribly thin barrel. Pilot's 0.25mm are, however, terrible - I have to store mine tip down (unlike all the others that don't care about storage orientation), and they still rarely write properly at first stroke. There's also Uni's 0.28mm ballpoints (Jetstream), which produce a finer line than the 0.28/0.25mm gels, but in my experience skip occasionally unlike the good gels.

Uni also used to make a 0.18mm gel, but apparently they discontinued it because it behaved as poorly as my Pilot 0.25mms.

To add some actual FP content: FPs do not write as finely as gel or ballpoint pens, regardless of the nib size. This is due to the very liquid ink, which spreads (and absorbs, if you aren't using enthusiast-grade papers) more than the gelled inks of the ball nib pens.

They don't seem to say the size, and I would like to know if anyone is aware of a decent quality compatible refill that is 0.4mm. I've tried searching with mixed results...
This guide might be of some help finding what to look or search for.

Yeah, that is a great resource, thanks!

I think the Euro-Style refills are the closest, although I can do some measurements and see how close.

I think on big difference is that the Montblanc refills are threaded and not "free floating".

I think my concern would be damaging the threads inside the pen itself is something is just moving around in there.
 

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That was a great refill guide, although it seemed to gloss over Cross (because they don't carry them). Is Cross not as common as I thought? I was always under the impression that most pens that accepted standard refills were either Cross or Parker.
I think there's two things. First would be that JetPens is Asian import centric: they started by importing non-FP Japanese stationery like actual fine tipped gel pens (and none of this American "0.5mm is ultra extra hyper fine!" bullshit), and while they've expanded to some European imports as they expanded into FPs, they're still very Asian weighted (they've added a bunch of Taiwanese and South Korean stuff). Second would be that the market for nice ball pens where you want to refill them has shrunk as writing has shifted from being predominantly by hand to mostly on computers. The people remaining who want nice pens have the desire and money for relatively exotic stuff, so Cross and Parker are now passé (dad pens) and the good stuff is European (heritage brands like Montblanc and design-oriented brands like Lamy) or Asian (high performance, fine tips, available in some very fancy versions).
 

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Well, the Ohto refills don't really fit in the Montblanc. They are just about the correct length, but without the threads the plastic area above the tip doesn't fit all the way into the bottom portion of the pen.

Not a big deal. I did get an actual Ohto pen to use with the refill just in case this would happen. All in all it writes OK, but I think the ink is a little more prone to bleeding than I would normally like.
 

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Some brief thoughts of recent purchases:

Ink Samples! First, they arrived un-molested from Goulet, which was nice.

Noodler's Apache Sunrise and Liberty Elysium. Absolutely GORGEOUS inks, amazing shading especially on a broader nib. However, EXTREMELY wet. Bleeds through the paper in my notebooks like mad, only inks I've tried so far that have done that. This may be my last sojourn into Noodler's - I've read a LOT about their inconsistencies from batch to batch, and they are just as staining as I was led to believe. The Liberty Elysium is still on my fingers, a week later :p.

Diamine Red Dragon - very red, very awesome! I have a few other reds to try
Diamine Marine - I'm not overly fond of teal/turquois, but the shading on this ink is absolutely stellar. Huge fan. It shot to the top of my potential 'blue' inks at the moment.

Pens!
The TWSBI 580. I picked up the completely clear, resin-gripped 580 instead of the newer, aluminum gripped 580AL's. I like it. A lot. Right mass, right balance. Holds a very nice amount of ink (just shy of 2 milliliters). Fairly easy to clean. I picked up both a medium and an extra-fine. The medium? Holy SHIT does it lay down a LOT of ink, compared to what I'm used to! The extra-fine? In between my Pilot fine and medium nibs, with it being a little closer to the fine. It's just about perfect. I like it a LOT, and switching nibs (even when the pen is inked) is a very simple process. Makes doing ink tests a breeze.

The Diplomat Magnum, in Prismatic Purple. Pretty pen. I hate it. :p
The grip is made out of that same ultra-scratchy plastic you see in base model compact cars, where cost saving reigns supreme. Also, it features a molded grip with flat spots for your fingers. I hugely dislike this, and I'm now glad I never received the LAMY Safari demonstrator and instead received a refund. The fine nib on the pen? Is more broad than the Pilot medium! I am not a fan. However, it was (relatively) inexpensive and is very easy to ink and clean. Also, because I dislike it, I don't care if it gets messed up. I'm going to use it for testing inks - it's broad enough to really show off shading/shimmer/etc, and if it gets messed up? Who cares!

I looked through a bunch of PenBBS models, papadage. For the most part? I'm not a fan of the aesthetics. The ability to turn it into an eye dropper and filling the entire barrel of the pen is interesting, but not something I'm looking for at all at the moment. I like that my ink capacity is a bit limited - I'm cycling through inks like mad at the moment.
 

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The extra-fine? In between my Pilot fine and medium nibs, with it being a little closer to the fine.
The fine nib on the pen? Is more broad than the Pilot medium!
What you're running into here is Japanese sizing versus Rest of World ("Euro" or "Western") sizing. Japanese nibs are about one size finer at each named size than RoW nibs, so a Japanese "medium" is about the same size as a RoW "fine". This does mean that a Japanese EF has no RoW equivalent outside of custom nib grinds. TWSBI, despite being Taiwanese, uses RoW sizing.

Also, ink can make a difference in apparent nib broadness, as different inks can have somewhat different viscosities.
 

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The extra-fine? In between my Pilot fine and medium nibs, with it being a little closer to the fine.
The fine nib on the pen? Is more broad than the Pilot medium!
What you're running into here is Japanese sizing versus Rest of World ("Euro" or "Western") sizing.

Yuuuuup. This is why the line width on my broad Pilot Custom 74, and my medium Visconti Rembrandt and Breeze, is roughly the same.

LOL pens. :eng101:
 

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When I placed my new pen order, I forgot to order a converter for the violet LAMY Safari. :facepalm:

However, I wanted to pick up some Séyès ruled paper for handwriting practice, so I put in a Goulet order for a notebook, some black ink, a Rhodia dot pad, and the converter I needed, all of which is to be delivered today. I am low-key stalking my mail person. :D (Seriously, our mail carrier is great. We know him by first name and chat briefly when we catch him out and about.) Once the delivery is made, my Pilot Metropolitan will get the black ink, the Safari will get some Amethyste de L’Oural, and then I should probably set about looking for a pen roll or pen case because they’re all just floating around my desk right now. :D

The Visconti Rembrandt remains a great pen, but I don’t think Emerald of Chivor is the right ink for it, which is too bad because I love that ink. The Pilot Custom 74 has become my daily driver. FANTASTIC pen, inked with Iroshizuku Kon-Peki. I may order another Iroshizuku color to put in the Rembrandt; Ku-jaku perhaps.
 

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I picked up one of the Rickshaw Bagworks 6-pen rolls. The pen balanced on top of Mt. Fuji one. While the image isn't as vivid as I would like, I can't complain at all about the quality of what touches the pens. The fabric is STUPID soft. It rolls nicely, and the little toggle loop thing is more than secure enough. I would have gone, in retrospect, with the ink-splash image instead. I keep 5 pens in it right now, and I don't see going past that at the moment.

I'd feel differently if I liked the Diplomat Magnum, but I hate it :p.
 

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The Visconti Rembrandt remains a great pen, but I don’t think Emerald of Chivor is the right ink for it, which is too bad because I love that ink.

Nope, it was a paper mis-match. Turns out on Clairefontaine paper it is great; on the Rhodia dot pad it's good, but the Clairefontaine is better. This makes me very happy, because now I can keep the ink and pen combo that I wanted it to be.
 

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I have been contemplating and considering replacing the LAMY Studio in my collective of pens, because I don't like the grip (and the weight). So, yeah. I figured, $100 pen that I got massively on sale for $50. That's the mean price point then. Do I go down, to another Pilot Metropolitan or an Explorer? Maybe at the same price point, say a Sailor Compass 1911 or another TWSBI? Maybe look at the Platinum Procyon? Or do we go big? I'd looked at Edison and (on a suggestion from a PM) Franklin-Christoph. Just couldn't find something I liked for the money involved, and gold nibs at that price point were calling my name...

I ended up.. ahem.. picking up another Pilot. Specifically, a clear Custom 74 in Fine. Initial impressions? I like this pen. A LOT. I also picked up a 'fine' nib for my TWSBI 580 (now have an extra-fine, fine, and a medium). Also, pictures, where we can see pens and current inks and my attempts at teaching myself how to write in cursive over the past couple of months!

All of zee pens!
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Pen Roll (the Rickshaw I linked above). More images behind the spoiler (the back, closed, rolled, and stood up by a Yeti 20 oz tumbler for comparison)
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I think I'm done now, except for ink. And if something really smacks me in the face with "WAAAANT!". But the five I have in the roll? For green/blue/red/black/"whatever"? Yeah, that's got me covered. Especially with all the nib choices I have for TWSBI 580. Not pictured is the Diplomat Magnum in Prismatic Purple because I hate it.

So, what to do with the LAMY Studio, in Imperial Blue? Well... Anyone want it? I have the pen (which I'll be cleaning shortly), an empty ink cartridge, a z27 converter, a pack of 5 cartridges (LAMY Black), and a spare extra-fine nib (not pictured). What do I want for it? Um? Not to pay for shipping? Or if I do, something in trade? Ink, a pen you don't want, coffee? The pen was purchased through Amazon, so returning it isn't really an option, and I'm certain someone on here will love it, or know someone who will. Shoot me a PM if you're interested. I'm certain we can work something out - I'm not trying to recoup costs, merely find it a home and get something in return. Socks. I'd take good socks. :p

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For the past several weeks, I was running my Pilot Lucina as my daily work pen. It was extremely light, it writes a slightly broader ‘fine’ line than any of my other Pilots, and it was inked with a extremely dark blue ink. However, the screw cap was very much not conducive to writing quick notes. So, the search began for a proper work pen.

I had a couple of caveats.
1) No screw caps.
2) Since my pen hangs from my lanyard instead of inside a shirt pocket, snap caps scare me. Partly (mostly) because I KNOW that I’ll eventually not fully seat/snap the pen to cap, and it will plummet to the floor when I thought it was firmly secured to the lanyard. My second Metropolitan met that exact fate.
3) A grip that I can actually use. I prefer smaller diameter grips, probably a residual from using ballpoints and disposable pens for my entire life before last October.

This kind of drops us down into the world of magnetic snap caps and retractable nibs. Most of the pens with magnetic caps were well outside what I was willing to pay, and a disconcerting number of them had polished metal grips that I KNOW would slip in my hand. Also, most were extremely weighty pens. So, back to retractable.

Left me with a couple of options on the retractable pen front.
The LAMY Dialog 3 was outside my price range. Also, chunky pens with a 13mm grip. Ugh.
The Platinum Curidas also has a very chunky grip (13mm +), and the removable clip kind of scared me. See the above thing about snap caps.
I’ve test driven the Vanishing Point from Pilot, and I wasn’t a big fan. Grip wasn’t as big, but it was just big enough and the clip kind of got to me and yeah. Also, CHONK. Weighty pen when inked!
The Fermo was intriguing, but I’m not certain about the twist to extend the nib. Also, import only - no real way to get it serviced under warranty. Also a weighty pen.

All of that, and what did I pick up? Pilot Decimo in Navy Blue, with a fine nib.

But, wait you say, didn’t I try the Vanishing Point and come away feeling meh?! That’s just a smaller Vanishing Point!

And to that I say, you are 100% correct!
I am NOT a fan of the big VP. However, the Decimo? Holy shit.

I dry-wrote with it for a bit to determine if the clip was going to weird me out like it did on the big VP. It didn’t. Also, the lacquered metal doesn’t slip in my fingers like the polished metal grip on the Studio did. I inked it with Diamine Midnight, the next ink up in my quest to find the best blue/black ink for my daily work use (the Oxford Blue from Diamine is leading, but I’ve only tried 3 inks so far :p ). The result of a few days writing with it extensively at work?

I love this pen. It’s right up there with my Custom 74. It’s just a tiny bit more smooth to write with than the 74, but doesn’t get as much line variation. I’m pretty certain that’s down to the radical differences in nib design. It also means I have a fabulous daily writing experience both at work and at home that are just different enough to keep it from feeling monotonous. After several days of just bouncing back and forth between them, I wouldn’t be surprised if my other pens slowly don’t get re-inked. The Lucina has been cleaned and placed in my pen drawer without being inked, for example. I like having a wide variety of ink to choose from, but I can honestly see my Custom 74 bouncing between my Shin-Ryoku green and *other, with the Decimo getting the blue/black treatment for work. My Metropolitans, the Lucina, and my TWSBI 580 are all really nice writing experiences in their own right, but they just don’t really compare to the 74/Decimo combo.

This means that I may have bought a six-pen roll for nothing :facepalm: .

It also means that I’m done pen shopping for now. Unless something comes out that causes me to double take with :eek: . Then there aren’t any promises.
 

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In my last Goulet order, I got some De Atramentis Document Ink in black, intending in putting it in my Metropolitan (M nib). I finally got around to inking it up, tested it out on my Rhodia pad and I was like "Oh, I really don't like this. This is way too fine a line for me."

Then I wrote something on the cheapest of cheap Amazon 20lb copy paper and it was like LOL there is the line I wanted. So I guess this pen is now dedicated to crap paper. :D
 

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Glitter is the (AIDS/Herpes/Cancer) of the arts and crafts world; it spreads uncontrollably and cling tenaciously once it infects a project.
One of my daughter's friend's mother sent out birthday invitations with lots of glitter. We probably still had glitter showing up by the next birthday invite.
 

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So the International Association of Pen Turners has a contest every February to celebrate their "birthday" month. I think some of you would appreciate looking at pictures of the winning entries. Neither I nor my daughter entered due to having a blown up and smoking lathe. (But I've learned how to repair it - now it's a question of whether the parts are worth it versus a new machine. Also taxes and round one of someone's braces have to happen first).

Edit: I'm preemptively pointing out that the lathe has stopped smoking and actually did so a few minutes after it started... twice. It was however very bad for it's health.
 

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Two thoughts: That Arizona On My Mind pen is gorgeous.

The other? I’ve got a mental thing going on with my two ‘spensive pens.
They only feel good to use either at work (the Decimo) or at home (the Custom 74). I write with both a TON, but it feels just plain odd and weird and a little gross when I try to write with one outside the place where I mentally have assigned it. The Decimo has become my work pen, and I’ve had to refill the con-40 that has come with it twice since I bought it a few weeks ago. The 74 I’ve refilled the con-70 twice in the month I’ve had it. Considering I have three to four other pens in use as well, that’s a lot of ink (and a lot of writing) for just those two pens. But try as I might, the Decimo just feels awkward as hell in my hand at home. And I find excuses to NOT use the 74 at work when I want another color, opting instead for one of the Metro’s or the TWSBI 580.
Switch it around to how I have it mentally worked out, and it all just works. The Decimo feels perfectly placed and wonderful to write with - AT WORK. Ditto for the 74. AT HOME.

It’s ALL in my head. All of it. And it messes with me.