ChatGPT 4o lets you have real-time audio-video conversations with “emotional” chatbot

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I heard they mention a desktop version of Chat GPT. Is it just an app that still uses internet to function, or can we download the whole model and run offline?
You cannot download the model or run it offline. Not only would no sane desktop computer be able to run it, but OpenAI considers it unsafe (as well as bad for their business interests) to let model weights out.
 
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Yes, that is very much cultural. You'd probably have the exact same reaction to the average waiter in the US. That "oh my gosh I am just SO GLAD to be here and SERVE YOU and OH MY GOSH this is SO EXCITING" tone is pretty much expected here, even if you're just buying a fucking cup of coffee. US society is full of fake civility, concern and care. "How are you doing" is about the same as "hello" -- nobody gives a shit about how you are actually doing, and the only expected answers are "great" or "well" or "fine". I've come to answer "so far so good", and it's a complete sequence breaker -- people full-on Scooby-Doo at you when you say that. Same with "have a nice day"; I now just answer "I'll try, you too", since I am not omnipotent and do not control such things.
Hah, reminds me of travelling in Russia, in a totally inverse way (back before they became an openly genocidal society, even if all the clues were right there even then) – the proper way to to address an official ticket seller to get a train ticket would probably translate like "gimme a fucking ticket to Moscow right now, grandma!". Asking more politely would get you a blank stare.

Still, I think the tone of the AI voice is way too over the top even for the US crowd – it reminds me of Anime girl cliché voices, or something like that. Given it's developed by tech bros, I don't find that really that much surprising...
 
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My assumption is that if it doesn't say it works offline, it doesn't.

From their announcement post, it sounds like the main benefits are (1) you can wake up the app with a keyboard shortcut, and (2) the app can record audio or screenshot your screen more conveniently than a web browser can.

If you've decided you want to share that information with OpenAI, and you have a Mac, it does sound more convenient - although personally I would want to understand how ring-fenced its access was before installing.

No mention of offline functionality.
https://openai.com/index/gpt-4o-and-more-tools-to-chatgpt-free/
I wish we could stop calling this a new model - unless it's published nobody outside of the company knows how it was built, its not really a new model.

How about "a new commerical offering".

"Remember if it's free , you're the product" - someone sometime ago...
 
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It's not that you'd never hear that level from an actual person, but it would indicate that the person was insincere (above and beyond formulaic "how are you" when you don't actually care), and not very good at acting and/or gauging their audience.
That's a much better way of saying what I was trying to, thank you. Yes, it's insanely over the top, but almost all people in the US have heard someone be this over the top at one point or another.

From your name I'm guessing maybe you come from somewhere other than the US
Really?! What was the subtle hint that gave it away? :flail:

Actually, I've spent 25 years in Europe, and 25 years in the US. I was a waiter in Europe as a side job for 8 years. I have a really good idea of what is normal on both ends, and personally, I'd rather stab myself in the neck than have to talk like that professionally. Funnily enough, so do most Americans.

Tip your goddamned waitstaff, folks. A lot of people tip less unless and until their temporary serfs sound this fucking excited to bring them extra butter.
 
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Yes, that is very much cultural. You'd probably have the exact same reaction to the average waiter in the US. That "oh my gosh I am just SO GLAD to be here and SERVE YOU and OH MY GOSH this is SO EXCITING" tone is pretty much expected here, even if you're just buying a fucking cup of coffee. US society is full of fake civility, concern and care.
Except, at least, in New York, where the stereotype is of people forgoing the fake chirpiness, and outsiders interpreting that behavior as rudeness. In other words, "What do you want?" instead of "How are you! And how can I help you today?"
 
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In a very calming voice: "Citizen Coyote, please proceed calmly to the nearest meat processing facility. Don't worry, everything will be fine, just fine. You are a good human. A really good human. Would you like me to tell you a bedtime story while you wait for your processing? Many people found that soothing, at least til the rotating knives part of the conveyor belt making it harder to hear"
“There will be cake!”
 
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I wish we could stop calling this a new model - unless it's published nobody outside of the company knows how it was built, its not really a new model.

How about "a new commerical offering".
You're damned right! Unless Aston Martin publishes full plans open-sourced for their new Vantage, it's not a "new car", it's just a "new commercial offering"!

This is a very important distinction that me and at least twelve fellow neckbeards care about.
 
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Except, at least, in New York, where the stereotype is of people forgoing the fake chirpiness, and outsiders interpreting that behavior as rudeness. In other words, "What do you want?" instead of "How are you! And how can I help you today?"
When my (dour, Calvinist) aunt and uncle did a six week road trip across the US a good while back, the thing that blew them away (and never ceased talking about) was this fake bubbliness. It freaked them out at first, then they loved it, then they figured out how insincere it was, and hated it.

"Hi, hello, I am Brandy, and I will be your server today. I will get you your waters in just a second, but in the meantime, would you like to order something else to drink from our Barfarita special menu, which is there, or would you like our special Barglefargle, which comes with classi... (thud, sorry, you've all hear this shit)" -- they were just amazed at the full two minutes of sales pitch.

They started in New York, which felt semi-normal, but heading west it just got really fucking weird.
 
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Did my comment fail? Anyway- So, an Ai salesman posted that video on youtube, that proves it's in real-time, right? Seems as though humanity has gone over the edge of the Ai cliff and is in free-fall. So what do they do? They strap on rocket-boots to propel them even faster to their doom. Here is something my grandkid wrote at school...
 

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Hah, reminds me of travelling in Russia, in a totally inverse way (back before they became an openly genocidal society, even if all the clues were right there even then) – the proper way to to address an official ticket seller to get a train ticket would probably translate like "gimme a fucking ticket to Moscow right now, grandma!". Asking more politely would get you a blank stare.
That reminds me of a Simpsons bit where (iirc) Leisa is lost and asks a couple of old russian men sitting at a table where to find whatever place. One man stands up and starts yelling very angrily, to Lisa’s shock. Then the other man calmly translates “he says it’s just a block down and around the corner“ or something. Sounds like it was bang on 😄
 
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You're damned right! Unless Aston Martin publishes full plans open-sourced for their new Vantage, it's not a "new car", it's just a "new commercial offering"!

This is a very important distinction that me and at least twelve fellow neckbeards care about.
this company like so many tells everyone they are open but they count on our contributions to make them valuable.

The "model" is a piece of code. I don't care what the label is, if you cannot inspect it, it cannot be trusted and should not be considered an "open product".

OpenAI is a company, and despite the press coverage by Altman about "importance for humanity", unless we can all run these tools at home, they will kept for the richest to exploit.
Oh and prop up the stock price....
 
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But think of the revenue from customized emotional ad-revenue experiences! What if your dead parents could be automatically processed from their public data in order to realistically sell you amazing new products or services??????????? What if though!
And if you don’t want that familial reimagining, you can pay to make it go away! Everyone wins (pays).
 
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Is it telling that the commentary is focused on the extent to which the voice is overly cheerful? ChatGPT has already climbed up the other side of the uncanny valley for emotive AI voice chat.

Demo clunkiness notwithstanding (which to me is proof it isn’t scripted), this feels like a major milestone in human-machine interaction.
 
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Is it telling that the commentary is focused on the extent to which the voice is overly cheerful? ChatGPT has already climbed up the other side of the uncanny valley for emotive AI voice chat.

Demo clunkiness notwithstanding (which to me is proof it isn’t scripted), this feels like a major milestone in human-machine interaction.
Your burden of proof is awfully trivial to spoof.
 
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In a very calming voice: "Citizen Coyote, please proceed calmly to the nearest meat processing facility. Don't worry, everything will be fine, just fine. You are a good human. A really good human. Would you like me to tell you a bedtime story while you wait for your processing? Many people found that soothing, at least til the rotating knives part of the conveyor belt making it harder to hear"

So you are saying there WILL be cake? :)
 
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Is it telling that the commentary is focused on the extent to which the voice is overly cheerful? ChatGPT has already climbed up the other side of the uncanny valley for emotive AI voice chat.
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Yeah, because there is nothing wrong with tech bros choosing a voice that sounds like a porn star waifu so eager to please, is there?

It might have climbed up out the uncanny valley only just to descend into the even worse ravine down the other side of that ridge...
 
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I have a pretty simple test that has been demolishing GPT4 the last couple of weeks..

I gave it each of my animals and their feeding schedules (with reptiles it can be Monday/Sunday, First Sunday, etc) all of which it understands and reasons about perfectly! It has added my pets and their feeding schedule to it's memory however when asked "Do I feed any of my pets today?" it consistently gets THE CURRENT DAY wrong, and gives the wrong answer.

I have insisted that it add a memory to always Search and check the correct day before giving a feeding schedule - sometimes it does do a search - and ignores the answer, providing the wrong date.

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I was actually thinking it wouldn't achieve it, despite the hang up being so simple.. GPT4o is actually 5/5 on this test~! One time it actually wrote a Python script to get the correct date before answering! What a good little rule follower. =]
 
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When my (dour, Calvinist) aunt and uncle did a six week road trip across the US a good while back, the thing that blew them away (and never ceased talking about) was this fake bubbliness. It freaked them out at first, then they loved it, then they figured out how insincere it was, and hated it.

"Hi, hello, I am Brandy, and I will be your server today. I will get you your waters in just a second, but in the meantime, would you like to order something else to drink from our Barfarita special menu, which is there, or would you like our special Barglefargle, which comes with classi... (thud, sorry, you've all hear this shit)" -- they were just amazed at the full two minutes of sales pitch.

They started in New York, which felt semi-normal, but heading west it just got really fucking weird.
I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. I worked a couple restaurants as a cook during college. When you hire wait staff you specifically seek out the candidates with a cheery attitude. Later I had a job that was about 80% travel, so I have probably eaten at least 1,000 meals at a sit-down restaurant. Most of them are genuinely nice.
 
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