F1 2024

[NervousEnergy]

The battle for 6-3 was fantastic. Hamilton doing everything he can with that car, but it's not that quick. Then MV just... 11 seconds over 8 laps??

That's not a race. That's just victory hot-lapping.

 

[zAmboni]

I think that junk they sprayed the track with has caused grip problems, especially in those slow twisty areas. There just seemed to be a bit of caution in some of the guys trying overtakes and they waited until the last few laps to go for it. As for Max, he probably could have gotten to the front faster, but it sounded like he was having engine mode problems. Once the engineers told him mode 8, he just took off.

 

[cc bcc]

The battle for 6-3 was fantastic. Hamilton doing everything he can with that car, but it's not that quick. Then MV just... 11 seconds over 8 laps??

That's not a race. That's just victory hot-lapping.

I think that once in front they were using the sprint as a test for the race. Constantly chatting on team radio for adjustments, and pushing to learn the limits of this tire and the track surface.
If Alonso wasn't such a moving roadblock, Lewis would have been passed, making Max' lead much smaller. Lewis didn't have the second fastest car.

 

[Diabolical]

And the gravel strikes again!

 

[Diabolical]

Well. Quali ended up being a good time!

 

[Tijger]

And the gravel strikes again!

We need more gravel, that much is clear.

 

[Cognac]

Wow, just got to watch the replay of qualifying, very interesting stuff. Perez driving like his seat depends on it at the moment.

Barring a mechanical failure Verstappen will canter off into the distance, but hopefully he race for P2 can provide some entertainment.

 

[HydraShok]

Alonso is a beast. Just an amazing driver.

 

[HydraShok]

Found this on another site and enjoyed it.

Red Bull’s first pole in China in 2009. Red Bull’s 100th pole in China today. Still Alonso.

 

[Diabolical]

Sauber just made a 3 second pit stop.
I almost fell on the floor from shock!

 

[Diabolical]

And Ferrari is spouting Plan B and Plan D nonsense in the first 17 laps.

 

[Diabolical]

Well, that was an... interesting (?) race, at least. Alonso and the back markers making things excited after the second SC. Chaos in the middle bits.

Happy to see Lando up there on the podium. And Lewis recovered REALLY well considering he started in 18th!

 

[Technarch]

Wasn't sorry I stayed up to watch this one, though it is clear there's still no answer to Max. Great racing from Lando and Alonso. Too bad for the Crash App guys though.

 

[Diabolical]

Too bad for the Crash App guys though.

Stroll rear ending Ricciardo - that shot they kept showing was brutal!
And K-Mag using Tsunoda as a bumper car was both A) typical K-Mag and B) really fucking stupid.

But yeah, bummer for the VCARB guys - no fault of their own.

 

[Tijger]

Sauber just made a 3 second pit stop.
I almost fell on the floor from shock!

Fastest of the season for Sauber!

 

[Diabolical]

Fastest of the season for Sauber!

I know! And then Zhou had a 3.1!

It was full on here at work, I tell you!

 

[Tijger]

Stroll rear ending Ricciardo - that shot they kept showing was brutal!
And K-Mag using Tsunoda as a bumper car was both A) typical K-Mag and B) really fucking stupid.

But yeah, bummer for the VCARB guys - no fault of their own.

Yes, the future WDC once again showed why he will never be a WDC and then whine about getting a penalty for it.

 

[Cognac]

Stroll rear ending Ricciardo - that shot they kept showing was brutal!
And K-Mag using Tsunoda as a bumper car was both A) typical K-Mag and B) really fucking stupid.

But yeah, bummer for the VCARB guys - no fault of their own.

Ricciardo's strategy was boned anyway when they didn't pit him during the first SC. Not sure what the team was thinking.

But yeah, Stroll really put an exclamation mark on that by rear-ending him and then calling him an idiot over the team radio.

Tsunoda was real unlucky to be taken out the way he was. Did absolutely nothing wrong.

 

[Diabolical]

[Archon] Drama Overwhelming! [/Archon]

First: Danny Ric reacts to Stroll going underneath the VCARB: He was NOT amused by Stroll saying the shit on the radio. Per Ricciardo in the media pen:

“I'm doing my best not to say what I want to say. But f**k that guy – and I'm being nice still."

From The Race:
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ricciardo-stroll-fury-chinese-gp-restart-crash/

And the hits just keep on coming! After getting rear ended by Stroll, the stewards were NOT AMUSED by Ricciardo re-passing Hulkenberg (who passed the #3 during the above incident) on the next safety car. Daniel thought he was allowed to do it, the Stewards disagreed. Because Ricciardo had to retire the care due to damage, instead of a 10 second penalty he gets a grid penalty for the Miami GP. Shiiiiity.

From The Race:
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ricciardos-miami-gp-grid-penalty-nico-hulkenberg-explained/

AND THEN after the race there was more Toto-trying-poach-Max and Christian-Has-Had-Fucking-Enough shenanigans after the race.
The Race:
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/wolff-mercedes-verstappen-2026-pursuit-horner-reaction-red-bull/

 

[RandomZero]

Went against my own words and stayed up for the race.

Max is just doing what Lewis did before, taking the same car and driving away from everyone, including his teammate. Although in a much more dominant fashion. Season would be looking a lot difference if he wasn't the one driving that car. He's just so impressive with what he is doing. Watching those three in the cool-down room after the race was pretty great. Especially when they saw the bumper car incident they had no idea about . The bit with Zhou out of the car on the front straight after the race was really awesome to see.

 

[goates]

[Archon] Drama Overwhelming! [/Archon]

First: Danny Ric reacts to Stroll going underneath the VCARB: He was NOT amused by Stroll saying the shit on the radio. Per Ricciardo in the media pen:


From The Race:
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ricciardo-stroll-fury-chinese-gp-restart-crash/

Being Canadian, it's cool having a Canadian driver in the race. Unfortunately, it's not cool that that driver is Stroll who often seems to be the cause of the accidents he's involved in. Wonder how long being the son of the team owner is going to outweigh the team wanting to win the championships?

 

[Tijger]

AND THEN after the race there was more Toto-trying-poach-Max and Christian-Has-Had-Fucking-Enough shenanigans after the race.
The Race:
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/wolff-mercedes-verstappen-2026-pursuit-horner-reaction-red-bull/

The notion that the guy who's only interested in winning, driving the #1 car for the #1 team would trade that for driving the 4/5th car in a team that seems clueless about the cars design is laughable to me but I get Horner is getting tired of Wolff's act.

 

[Tijger]

Being Canadian, it's cool having a Canadian driver in the race. Unfortunately, it's not cool that that driver is Stroll who often seems to be the cause of the accidents he's involved in. Wonder how long being the son of the team owner is going to outweigh the team wanting to win the championships?

Never. As long as Stroll Sr owns that team Lance is going to occupy one of its seats, Stroll Sr cares about one thing and thats his son, he bought the team to guarantee his son a seat for as long as he wants it.

 

[Cranioclast]

Never. As long as Stroll Sr owns that team Lance is going to occupy one of its seats, Stroll Sr cares about one thing and thats his son, he bought the team to guarantee his son a seat for as long as he wants it.

Is there really evidence of this? Stroll Sr. is a racer and big race fan, as well as a father. Owning a championship-winning team may actually rank higher than having his son in F1. He could always put Lance in a WEC or DTM seat to keep him busy while Alonso and Sainz/Albon/Lawson/Anybody start fighting for wins.

I will defend Lance a (tiny) bit when people say he doesn't deserve to be there at all. He was beating some of the current top drivers in the (way) lower formula before getting called up at such a young age. Then he really looked good at times when he was with Williams. He just never progressed much and has seemed to fall off as he's gone on. He's looked downright bad alongside Alonso. I mean, most teammates have looked somewhat bad alongside Alonso, but the dude is over 40 and shouldn't be that far ahead.

Anyway, one of my season predictions was that he will lose his seat before the start of next season and I'm not ready to withdraw it.

 

[Cranioclast]

I feel the need to repeat what I always say when anything happens during a safety car restart: F1 needs to accept what NASCAR figured out 75 years ago and have coordinated restarts. Whether that's a line that marks where racing resumes or a green flag/light thrown by the race director when the field is formed up and approaches the start/finish line, I don't care. Just don't have everyone fucking around, unsure of when they are supposed to be actually racing.

I'm not saying that would have prevented the Stroll-Ricciardo incident. Stuff like that can always happen. Being focused on whether the car in front of you has switched to race mode or not is going to increase the likelihood, though.

Green! Green! Green! So simple.

 

[goates]

Never. As long as Stroll Sr owns that team Lance is going to occupy one of its seats, Stroll Sr cares about one thing and thats his son, he bought the team to guarantee his son a seat for as long as he wants it.

As was said, is Stroll senior really that purely committed to keeping his son racing in F1? He's not the only one invested in the team and sooner or later I have to think they will want to actually win. With the improvements to the car and signing Alonso for a few more years, I would think they're going to want a better return on their investment than Stroll Jr will provide. I can see Jr being moved over to WEC to make way for someone else.

Edit: clarified a point

 

[Cranioclast]

Start a snowmobile team with the Villeneuves and make Lance the #1.

Maybe only 10% joking. Not even that, actually.

 

[nimro]

I’m a bit late but on team naming but… MinRB! Recognising they’re the small Red Bull and their Minardi heratige

Whether that's a line that marks where racing resumes

That’s how it works now right? You can’t overtake before the safety car line? Are you suggesting it’s more like a VSC restart where they have to keep a delta up until the moment that they don’t? Otherwise I don’t see how you avoid racers trying to get the edge!

 

[Tijger]

As was said, is Stroll senior really that purely committed to keeping his son racing in F1? He's not the only one invested in the team and sooner or later I have to think they will want to actually win. With the improvements to the car and signing Alonso for a few more years, I would think they're going to want a better return on their investment than Stroll Jr will provide. I can see Jr being moved over to WEC to make way for someone else.

Edit: clarified a point

Consider this, Stroll Sr bought the team for 143 million dollars, its currently valued at 1.2 billion dollars, his ROI is enormous as is and he sold a minority stake for an undisclosed amount meaning he's likely more than recouped his initial investment AND the team, even with Stroll jr. is profitable. I honestly believe he still thinks/hopes/fantasizes that Lance can win a championship and I do not believe for one second he'll ever remove Lance from the team unless Lance wants to quit F1.

 

[Cranioclast]

That’s how it works now right? You can’t overtake before the safety car line? Are you suggesting it’s more like a VSC restart where they have to keep a delta up until the moment that they don’t? Otherwise I don’t see how you avoid racers trying to get the edge!

You can't overtake before the safety car line (or is it the start/finish?), but that's not what I'm talking about.

In NASCAR and IndyCar, the cars line up in formation for restarts (and starts). They have to keep their spacing and speed roughly the same. If they don't, the official will not wave the green flag and they have to complete another lap and try again.

In F1, once the safety car pulls in (or gets far enough ahead on the lap it is pulling in), the lead driver gets to completely control the pace up until they cross that line where they're allowed to overtake. In order to have the best chance to avoid being overtaken at the end of the pit straight, they are incentivized to keep the car behind them guessing. Which means everyone is guessing.

If the pack had to maintain a maximum speed and minimum spacing up until the lead driver crosses some line or the light changes, then everyone can focus on warming up their tires and not hitting the car in front of them, rather than making sure they don't miss out whenever the guy in front decides racing should resume.

It's usually not a big deal, but sometimes it is (Mugello 2020). And even when everything goes fine, it's still just stupid. It was funny when they first started doing safety car restarts and only the American drivers had a clue what was going on. But it happens frequently enough now that they should put some rules in place.

 

[Technarch]

Yeah this has to be the third race I've seen where the abrupt speed change fuckery by the leaders on a SC restart caused drivers further back in the lineup to accordion into each other. I'm surprised it hasn't been addressed yet.

 

[Kilkenny]

Yeah, using current F1 terminology, it would be like if ending the safety car means that it goes into VSC rules temporarily first, then once the SC is off-track, the VSC is lifted.

 

[zAmboni]

Was going to say not to look to Indycar for a solution:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcv90_syFiA


OTOH, it was an ex F1 driver...

I think one big problem is where the restart line is. The S/F line in F1 now a days on many tracks is close to the exit of the final corner. On restarts the guys in back may be a corner or two away from the guys in front (the collision in the F1 race happened back at the hairpin). After the junk that happened in the Indycar Nashville race, they changed the restart line to a different position. Ideally the restart should be in a place where the entire field can see each other and arent looking/anticipating over a corner....but why do I think that F1 would never do something like that.

 

[goates]

Consider this, Stroll Sr bought the team for 143 million dollars, its currently valued at 1.2 billion dollars, his ROI is enormous as is and he sold a minority stake for an undisclosed amount meaning he's likely more than recouped his initial investment AND the team, even with Stroll jr. is profitable. I honestly believe he still thinks/hopes/fantasizes that Lance can win a championship and I do not believe for one second he'll ever remove Lance from the team unless Lance wants to quit F1.

Sure, up to now hanging out making money in the mid-field has been profitable. With the partnership with Honda, however, they now have a partner that wants to win. If the car keeps improving and Alonso maybe wins a race in the next year or two, how long will Honda sit around waiting for the other driver to catch-up? Or will there be a quiet conversation in the background with Lance deciding to take up racing elsewhere?

 

[trukker]

I wonder if a condition for Alonso re-signing and taking the ambassador position includes a more competitive teammate who can help with strategy options during more races. Sainz might be a good choice, although based on the wheel banging in the sprint, maybe that isn't a wise choice. Sure would be an entertaining one though.

 

[goates]

I wonder if a condition for Alonso re-signing and taking the ambassador position includes a more competitive teammate who can help with strategy options during more races. Sainz might be a good choice, although based on the wheel banging in the sprint, maybe that isn't a wise choice. Sure would be an entertaining one though.

Bottas might make a good partner and could be out of a seat at the end of the year if Sainz signs up to race under Audi. Then again, Honda may push for Tsunoda, especially if Tsunoda doesn't get the Reb Bull seat.

 

[Cognac]

Yeah this has to be the third race I've seen where the abrupt speed change fuckery by the leaders on a SC restart caused drivers further back in the lineup to accordion into each other. I'm surprised it hasn't been addressed yet.

Everyone is aware that abrupt speed-change fuckery isn't allowed during SC restarts, right?

There are rules that already exist. Each car has to be within 10 car lengths is the car in front. Once the safety car lights go out (SC ending) the lead driver becomes the de facto safety car until the start finish line and they are NOT allowed to arbitrarily vary their speed. Once they hit the throttle, that's it, it's game on. They aren't speeding up and slowing down again, except when they have to for corners.

Cars are not allowed to overtake until they cross the start finish line.

This particular situation was an exception to the norm, where Alonso screwed up his braking point and it threw everyone else out of whack. But the fact that all cars except Stroll managed to avoid shoving their nose up the guy in front's ass is a very strong indicator that he was the only one not paying enough attention.

 

[Tijger]

Everyone is aware that abrupt speed-change fuckery isn't allowed during SC restarts, right?

There are rules that already exist. Each car has to be within 10 car lengths is the car in front. Once the safety car lights go out (SC ending) the lead driver becomes the de facto safety car until the start finish line and they are NOT allowed to arbitrarily vary their speed. Once they hit the throttle, that's it, it's game on. They aren't speeding up and slowing down again, except when they have to for corners.

Cars are not allowed to overtake until they cross the start finish line.

This particular situation was an exception to the norm, where Alonso screwed up his braking point and it threw everyone else out of whack. But the fact that all cars except Stroll managed to avoid shoving their nose up the guy in front's ass is a very strong indicator that he was the only one not paying enough attention.

Basically what Piastri said and I can hear him saying it in his usualy very dry way:

“The car in front of me just stopped from like 60 to zero, so a really stupid incident. It was one of those,” Stroll argued.

Piastri didn't buy that explanation.

“Yes, but everyone else didn't crash into each other,” he reasoned.

 

[Diabolical]

Now let's argue about points!

And by "let's" I mean the teams.
And by points I mean... points. Awarded. By position.

Per Autosport:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f...s-on-course-to-get-support-it-needs/10602004/

Finishing position	Current points	Proposed points
1	25	25
2	18	18
3	15	15
4	12	12
5	10	10
6	8	8
7	6	6
8	4	5
9	2	4
10	1	3
11	0	2
12	0	1
Fastest lap	1 (top 10 finishers only)	1 (top 12 finishers only)

The Race has some commentary.
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/new-f1-points-system-our-verdict/

So I crunched numbers. Because I'm bored and I can. Might have fucked this up, but I THINK crunched them right.

CURRENT STANDINGS:



UNDER THE NEW PROPOSED POINT STRUCTURE.
Lots of points changes, but the only real positional changes are highlighted.
Fernando moves up to 7th and pass George.
Hulkenberg muoves up to 11th, jumping Tsunoda and Bearman. Points don't really effect the standings after that.

Teams? Haas jumps over VCARB.

 

[Cranioclast]

I almost forgot. During the sprint race (possibly qualy?), the camera paused on a guy in the stands holding up a red banner that read: "I'm so stupid! I'm so stupid!"

Is this a reference that I don't get, or is a douchey vendor selling prank items to fans who don't read English?