Louisiana officially ends mass vaccinations as RFK Jr. comes to power

As much as I hate him being chosen, RFK Jr. is only a symptom of this disease rather than the cause. It's a shitshow that's happening up and down the chain. I think at this point the only way it's going to change is a FAFO that's going to hurt a lot of people. I really expect it to happen, but it might take 10-20 years. And it's mostly going to hurt the people who didn't actually make the decisions, so any schadenfreude is misplaced.
 
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As much as I hate him being chosen, RFK Jr. is only a symptom of this disease rather than the cause. It's a shitshow that's happening up and down the chain. I think at this point the only way it's going to change is a FAFO that's going to hurt a lot of people. I really expect it to happen, but it might take 10-20 years. And it's mostly going to hurt the people who didn't actually make the decisions, so any schadenfreude is misplaced.
There’s FAFO, and then there’s not being able to travel internationally. If it gets much worse, Europe might decide vaccination passports will be required.

It’s all very sad, and looking across the pond from the UK we also feel very confused and angry.
 
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As much as I hate him being chosen, RFK Jr. is only a symptom of this disease rather than the cause. It's a shitshow that's happening up and down the chain. I think at this point the only way it's going to change is a FAFO that's going to hurt a lot of people. I really expect it to happen, but it might take 10-20 years. And it's mostly going to hurt the people who didn't actually make the decisions, so any schadenfreude is misplaced.

Hard disagree. RFK is taking it in new and horrific directions. He's personally profiting from the anti-vax movement, something that the shitbags in the Senate were too spineless to address. If he's a symptom, he's a metastases.
 
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It's a bit scary watching an empire collapse in real time.
People have (wrongly) assumed that the US “civilization” could never collapse. The other false concept they cling to is the idea that humans would never go extinct. It is a mental block. I’ve casually surveyed people on both questions - even before IQ47 came on the scene.
 
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So they’re objecting to people trying to encourage flu shots?

Christ, these people are morons.
I forget if it was Louisiana or Mississippi, but there was some election a while back where the main attack of the winning candidate was "my opponent actually believes in the theory of evolution!"

Americans may not be the sharpest bulbs on the Chanukah tree, but the folks of the delta really manage to make the rest look like geniuses.
 
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Hard disagree. RFK is taking it in new and horrific directions. He's personally profiting from the anti-vax movement, something that the shitbags in the Senate were too spineless to address. If he's a symptom, he's a metastases.
But if there weren't this widespread anti-vax support up and down the chain for years (and not just from the right, unfortunately, even though it is predominantly), he would never have been able to get enough votes for confirmation. Yes, he will make it worse. As will all those other people like in the example of Louisiana in the article. He's not the head of the snake. He's just another snake.
 
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I think at this point the only way it's going to change is a FAFO that's going to hurt a lot of people.
i don't think FAFO is sufficient anymore. i would've thought 1.2m COVID-related deaths in the US (plus more long-term sickness) would've been it, but instead it emboldened anti-vaxxers.

i don't know our way back or out of this mess.
 
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From an outsider's viewpoint it sure as heck looks like this is what they fought for.
Well, roughly a smidge over a third voted for, a smidge under a third voted against, and a third decided to sit this fascist dictatorship out and maybe they'll do something about the next one. Maybe.

At least Trump voters were honest about who they were. The apathetic shit stains who enabled this by not voting or protest voting own this. The pain, suffering and death that is now happening globally is on their hands.
 
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I remember when travelling to South America it was mandatory to get vaccinated for a few rare diseases (yellow fever being one). I assume as vaccination rates drop further US citizens wanting to travel to the free world will need to get their vaccinations updated.
That's assuming the kind of people who are anti-vaccine would be the type who actually want to travel outside of the states
 
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There’s FAFO, and then there’s not being able to travel internationally. If it gets much worse, Europe might decide vaccination passports will be required.

It’s all very sad, and looking across the pond from the UK we also feel very confused and angry.

And they'll need to take special measures to insure the vaccination certificates are genuine and trustworthy.
 
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i don't think FAFO is sufficient anymore. i would've thought 1.2m COVID-related deaths in the US (plus more long-term sickness) would've been it, but instead it emboldened anti-vaxxers.

i don't know our way back or out of this mess.
Something I reflected on during the peak of covid deaths is that as a society we are quite good at disposing of dead bodies. Unless you're working at a hospital, EMT, police/fire, mortuary, etc most people do not see a dead body except at a funeral. Even if you're a patient within a hospital they really try to not let you see that.

So 1.2M people die from covid and covid-related complications and honestly we did such a good job keeping death out of sight that truly the majority of people didn't "see" it. They were aware of it in the sense that a friend's grandma passed or a prominent celebrity. But the scale and scope was lost on most.

We lost 3x the number of US citizens to covid that we did to WWII. And conveniently the US population has not quite tripled since '41. So it's fair to say we lost a world war's worth of people inside our own borders...

...and people can say, "I didn't see it, so it didn't happen," or, "What's the big deal?"
 
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That's assuming the kind of people who are anti-vaccine would be the type who actually want to travel outside of the states
Thinking more, any country trying to impose mandatory vaccination requirements on travelling Trumpensteinians would get hit with trade tariffs. Measles for milk is a good deal in this climate I guess.
 
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