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Unlike smartphones, personal computers with foldable displays haven't taken off.
I imagine the real reason is not so much the jack but the DAC and all the audio circuitry to power it and keep it free from EMI.Are we seriously at the point where we’re removing headphone jacks from laptops to “save space”? Why the disdain for wired audio?
No, I disagree. Headphone jacks have fit in thin and powerful laptops just fine before. The Macbook air logic board is tiny, and they still manage to fit a headphone jack. The XPS 13+ is an expensive "premium" laptop, it should not be missing features the model below it has.I imagine the real reason is not so much the jack but the DAC and all the audio circuitry to power it and keep it free from EMI.
If a laptop has speakers - it already has a DAC. Speakers are analog devices and as such require a converter and an amplifier. In nearly all laptops, the speaker and headphone DACs are the same components. As far as EMI interference big enough to cause audio issues is considered - it is only an issue in very poorly designed internals - in which case there are bigger issues than an audio jack with more than a little white noise. So…I don’t think there is any valid reason whatsoever in removing headphone jack, especially in something as big as a laptop.I imagine the real reason is not so much the jack but the DAC and all the audio circuitry to power it and keep it free from EMI.
CAMM honestly sounds like a dead man walking. Not standardizing on the card size ensures that Dell, Lenovo and HP will end up with different and incompatible modules if they don't just solder down memory to the mainboard to avoid the whole mess.The Dell CAMM migration has been a fiasco where I work (1000+ employee company). There have been massive delays in obtaining upgraded memory components (a simple upgrade from 16GB to 32GB in a 7670 has taken months) - And our IT folks have had to deal with supporting an entirely new form factor. I can order and receive a Dell Inspirion in 2 weeks, but a Precision 7670 has taken forever...(yes, I'm bitter because I should have had my new shiny Dell before Christmas).
My friend has had a samsung one for ~2 years that he drops all the time , and while the USBC port is broken(wireless charging only), the screen is still completely undamaged.Does anybody really think smartphones with foldable displays have “taken off”?
Coincidentally, I just saw my first one in the wild yesterday — after, how long have they been out? I won’t be holding my breath until the next sighting.
Yes. Once Framework starts to offer AMD CPUS, I'll be interested. Intel is just horribly inefficient at the moment for laptops.I definitely like what Framework is doing, but I'd really wish they'd also offer AMD options. =/
Generally speaking, I find the lack of AMD options in laptops quite baffling especially since they more often than not should be able to provide all-around better performance/efficiency than their Intel counterparts.
the Bluetooth keyboard solution being unreliable.
Does anybody really think smartphones with foldable displays have “taken off”?
Coincidentally, I just saw my first one in the wild yesterday — after, how long have they been out? I won’t be holding my breath until the next sighting.
We've switched recent orders back to SO-DIMM. We are a small shop, so I've been ordering them with 8GB and buying the 64GB Micron kit from Amazon to save $. Dell wanted $750/per 64GB RAM upgrade after discounts, and I didn't want to spend that much. Started speccing the OLED screen with the money saved, and users seem to like it, atleast I haven't heard any complaints yet.The Dell CAMM migration has been a fiasco where I work (1000+ employee company). There have been massive delays in obtaining upgraded memory components (a simple upgrade from 16GB to 32GB in a 7670 has taken months) - And our IT folks have had to deal with supporting an entirely new form factor. I can order and receive a Dell Inspirion in 2 weeks, but a Precision 7670 has taken forever...(yes, I'm bitter because I should have had my new shiny Dell before Christmas).
Yes, they have. They are, however, still a premium device so it's no surprise that you don't see many of them yet.
My next phone will be a foldable, my aging eyes will appreciate the larger screen.
Phones had headphone jacks until recently and they are a helluva lot smaller than laptops.I imagine the real reason is not so much the jack but the DAC and all the audio circuitry to power it and keep it free from EMI.
Are we seriously at the point where we’re removing headphone jacks from laptops to “save space”? Why the disdain for wired audio?
If it's efficiency you want then wish for an arm based laptop.Yes. Once Framework starts to offer AMD CPUS, I'll be interested. Intel is just horribly inefficient at the moment for laptops.
Today the ThinkPad line of laptops are the only ones to offer AMD variants across almost the entire lineup. And I know there's a lot of fear here for Chinese designed laptops, but so far the ThinkPad lineup has been solid from a security standpoint.
From what available port? Most laptops have two (or one!) USB-C ports, despite using them for power, display output, and peripheral connections. It seems like the expectation is to carry around a docking station.The headphone jacks are usually not powerful enough. Ifi has a new DAC/headphone amp dongle that fits into a USB-C port and which will decode a digital signal and amplify it and gives you a 3.5mm jack as well.
I’ll never look at a laptop the same way again after reading this sentenceSort of looking like it forgot to wear pants, the XPS 13 Plus doesn't have a visible touchpad.
Why so few 3:2 aspect ratio laptops? A 14" 3:2 ratio has the same useful vertical space for productivity as a 17" 16:9. Apart from some Huaweis that are hard to source in the US due to sanctions, there are few options.
About the Dell ram module, if they did not dictate for it to be accessible directly from the bottom, isn't it could have the same issue as sodimm that was mentioned in he article? Like needing to lift the keyboard to access it.
Interesting that asus use Bluetooth. Usually manufacturers prefers to use proprietary 2.4ghz wireless.
I wonder, does the keyboard also supports quick Bluetooth pairing profiles switch.
prompting some to think Dell's endgame was proprietary tech that locks out user upgrades.
My friend has had a samsung one for ~2 years that he drops all the time , and while the USBC port is broken(wireless charging only), the screen is still completely undamaged.
I'm not sure they've 'taken off' in terms of popularity, but they do seem to be at the point where they aren't fragile novelties.
Of course it is. They already do that with their chargers. Not because of upgrades, but so that when you lose your charger, the only place you can get a replacement is from Dell, where they sell a $20 charger for $90. And if you didn't lose it but just left it at home? You can't charge your laptop at all.
Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.For one, the keyboard's top row ditches traditional buttons in favor of a capacitive touch row that displays function keys or, if you hold down Fn and Esc, media keys.
It's not like laptop manufacturers are removing the jack en masse - this XPS model is notable precisely because it's an outlier. Tons of people use headphones or external speakers with laptops because laptop speakers usually suck. Bluetooth audio is also unusable for anything latency-sensitive like producing music or gaming.Well, these aren't companies that are selling tons of BT headphones, so what's your conspiracy theory behind this removal?
How about people just don't usually use earbuds with a laptop and they used wired buds on a laptop even less?
Dude, you are missing six nopes. Otherwise the manufacturers will think you are ok with F9 to F12, ESC and delete being capacitive...Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.
For low latency you can use alternative wireless radio frequency protocols:It's not like laptop manufacturers are removing the jack en masse - this XPS model is notable precisely because it's an outlier. Tons of people use headphones or external speakers with laptops because laptop speakers usually suck. Bluetooth audio is also unusable for anything latency-sensitive like producing music or gaming.
Even though hmdi audio is a thing, and usb audio has been a thing for longer than the iPhone 6, I still want a jack. Bt audio on laptops suck, esp for voice, unless you have a mac.Why the obsession with wired audio?
It's a little bit like floppy drives after the release of USB sticks.
For a couple years it absolutely makes sense to keep supporting floppy drives.
But a decade later? In the year 2010? Is it really that important for a 2010 laptop to have a floppy drive?
The 2016 iPhone 7 skipped the headphone jack. It's only been six years, but it seems reasonable to expect a large portion of the computing population since 2016 to have never owned wired headphones, and with each passing year that population will grow.
I remember using wired headphones, but I haven't used a pair of wired headphones since I got my first pair of BT headphones in 2016.
My kids, however, both use wired and BT headphones, due to growing up with cheap USB gaming headsets. Eventually, one Christmas, when BT gaming headsets are routinely available for $40, they will probably switch. It's soon; they're $80-$100 regularly and $50-$60 on sale.