Op-ed: As AI outputs flood the Internet, diverse human perspectives are our most valuable resource.
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I have a LEGO cat on top of the fridge staring at nothing, does that count?taking human jobs is bad enough but I will not sit idly by while robots take all the cat jobs
I think, given its bad tactical position, that a real cat would easily show its superiority if given the chance.I have a LEGO cat on top of the fridge staring at nothing, does that count?
Thats 3D, not 2D. How would you imagine it be done without ai?Anyone who saw a making of for LotR was capable of imagining "what if anime instead of Gollum?"
The scale argument is pointless. Visibility is what matters most, not the amount you can make. 1 fake image seen by millions will be more effective at shaping people's perspectives than 10,000 images seen by only a few dozen people.These arguments ignore the #1 issue, and that's scale.
What do you mean when you say 'the internet in general has ... jumped the shark'?The Internet in general has long-since jumped the shark wrt "The Tragedy of the Commons". Digital pollution is clearly making things worse, but it's already well past the point of "more harm than good".
I have a LEGO cat on top of the fridge staring at nothing, does that count?
Disinformation exceeds "truthful information", and the gap is growing.What do you mean when you say 'the internet in general has ... jumped the shark'?
In what way is it 'more harm than good'?
Work. People doing work. That's how.Thats 3D, not 2D. How would you imagine it be done without ai?
What type of work are you imagining?Work. People doing work. That's how.
Except for the Ars Technica comments section. Rampant tribalism/fanboyism/any alternative valid PoVs and facts get downvoted to hell. Oh, wait, it happens almost everywhere comments can be downvoted.
And don't get me started on art, because I guess this article is about creativity as well? the vast majority of recognition comes from blatant PR, the most prominent example being Malevich's Black Square painting. Modern pop music? More like modern insipid utter crap.
Maybe you could have started with protecting diversity of opinion, because that's where the Western world has been lacking a lot lately. The Dems especially love cancel culture, while boasting that they have "no" censorship. Yeah, right.
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IMO, a big part of the issue is that we've come to think of the output of human creativity as "content", and something that only has value if it's monetized.It's becoming super clear (to me at least) that we need a firewall between content meant to entertain and distract and content meant to inform and enlighten. I'm grudgingly fine with the former being monetized and shaped by that monetization process, the latter not so much.
Half of what you're upset about can be laid squarely at the feet of the removal of the fairness doctrine which allowed the rise of talk radio and the conservative rage machine (Limbaugh, etc).Disinformation exceeds "truthful information", and the gap is growing.
Conspiracy theories are amplified beyond simple obvious truths.
Otherwise rational people are indoctrinated into cult-like echo chambers of stupid.
People's livelihoods and creative output are increasingly threatened and stolen.
Basic news is increasingly paywalled everywhere.
The promise of the Internet as a massive public library has washed away in a flood of scams, ad blitzes, theft, politicization, censorship, etc.
It's not the same.The "fair use" argument often hinges on the legal concept of "transformative use," the idea that using works for a fundamentally different purpose from creative expression—such as identifying patterns for AI—does not violate copyright. Generative AI proponents often argue that their approach is how human artists learn from the world around them.
Both of those examples are far from "unintentional" - the industrialists/capitalists knew what they were doing, and did it anyway because that was the way to Make More Money and Control Everything. Same thing happening now with the internet and AI. The sociopaths running the show absolutely know that they're making humans irrelevant, and as along as they're making boatloads (or more) of money they don't care.Today, the AI industry's business models unintentionally echo the ways in which early industrialists approached forests and fisheries—as free inputs to exploit without considering ecological limits.
Just as pollution from early factories unexpectedly damaged the environment, AI systems risk polluting the digital environment by flooding the Internet with synthetic content. Like a forest that needs careful management to thrive or a fishery vulnerable to collapse from overexploitation, the creative ecosystem can be degraded even if the potential for imagination remains.
aye, that's the thing. both in the corporate side of things, where being able to replace human labor is not only extremely profitable but also, insert quotation marks, efficient; and in the personal, subjective side of things, where we can't just purely produce and enjoy expressions of humanity, because if it isn't making money it is useless. most social media platforms have a monetization system now, so it's suddenly desirable to have a tool that foregoes effort and offers something that looks good enough, just to siffon a few bucks.IMO, a big part of the issue is that we've come to think of the output of human creativity as "content", and something that only has value if it's monetized.
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The only way I've seen it true is when it's applied to an individual. That is to say, I've never seen anything novel from AI art tools because they can only regurgitate some combination of existing things already made by humans.Got any examples of this?
Sure, and that'll help, but to take one example, if I ask a GenAI tool to draw me a barbarian, what do I get? (Genuine question, I've never played around with these things). If I give it the same prompt 100 times and get a decent selection of ideas and concepts for barbarity, or even just different styles of 'barbarian warrior' then that's cool and I'll walk back my statement.In theory AI is deterministic, in practice there is a degree of randomness that same sources and even same prompts doesn't always mean same output.
We used to imagine that automation would take the crude labor jobs, leaving us humans to do the fun creative work.I'm all for major copyright reform (or even abolition if you can make a good argument) but this is incorrect.
The REAL thing that has always hindered human expression is simple human struggle. People can't focus on art if they're struggling to survive. This is why, historically, art and music came from the upper class. Those were the people who could afford to sit around all day and play expensive instruments or paint with expensive paints.
The commoditization of art and its mediums is what has caused human creativity to utterly explode in the past 150 years.
A while back Bezos said we need to expand into space and have a trillion humans, because that way "there would be a million Mozarts."
...what about all the Mozarts we never knew about because they lived sad painful lives and then just died?
If you want humans to be more creative, the solution is dead simple and has been proven multiple times throughout history and the truth of what I'm talking about is evident in literally all modern cultures. Anywhere that industrialization has touched the world, art has become more sophisticated and accessible.
It used to be only renaissance masters who could create those near-photorealistic paintings. Now you see a Redditor post their hyperrealistic paintings like damn near every other day. And I say hyper*realistic because they put renaissance technique to shame. And I'm not talking about digital art, I'm talking traditional paints. Techniques and education have developed and so have paints themselves.
Edit: that is hyperbole and sounds like I'm shitting on the renaissance, I'm not. Those works are no less incredible now than ever before. I just mean the form has *seriously evolved. Modern paintings can be mistaken for photographs, that was never possible in the past.
You do need to tell it what you want, ideally in quite a bit of detail, but I will show an example.Sure, and that'll help, but to take one example, if I ask a GenAI tool to draw me a barbarian, what do I get? (Genuine question, I've never played around with these things). If I give it the same prompt 100 times and get a decent selection of ideas and concepts for barbarity, or even just different styles of 'barbarian warrior' then that's cool and I'll walk back my statement.
On the other hand if all I get is variations on a Conan archetype - big oiled muscles, probably dude by default, minimalist leather armour, melee weapon, standing next to a TV (I jest but only a little) then that degree of randomness doesn't mean very much. That Conan might be wearing a skull necklace, that one over there might have a slightly different style of armour. Big deal.
For example, AI models lack a body that endures the pain and travails of human life. They don't grow over the course of a human lifespan in real time. When an AI-generated output happens to connect with us emotionally, it often does so by imitating patterns learned from a human artist who has actually lived that pain or joy.
Interesting - thank you for the examples.You do need to tell it what you want, ideally in quite a bit of detail, but I will show an example.
"Draw me a barbarian, a proper barbarian, as the Romans would have understood this. Realistic style, dim lighting."
Adding "Not a warrior." these are the two it returns.
https://sora.chatgpt.com/g/gen_01jspygjdpeyprw51ybv5v9e3v
https://sora.chatgpt.com/g/gen_01jspygjdqen4b8hsy94wew5tm
Adding "An average citizen, and a woman."
https://sora.chatgpt.com/g/gen_01jspyrjkwfgx91ramz6dmak83
https://sora.chatgpt.com/g/gen_01jspyrjkvfkkt9zwhgsq5qb8p
Generally you would progress like that, or ideally add more detail in your initial prompt to get exactly what you want.
Except for the Ars Technica comments section. Rampant tribalism/fanboyism/any alternative valid PoVs and facts get downvoted to hell.
Not sure how “unexpectedly” is appropriate here. Such an odd thing to say. Businesses knew perfectly well that dumping toxic chemicals into the rivers would kill people, but they didn’t care. It was certainly “expected”.pollution from early factories unexpectedly damaged the environment
Off the top of my head, with no experience in the field?What type of work are you imagining?
I've found it handy for brainstorming, and also good for working on "asking good questions" skills.I appreciate this piece, it layouts well the nuanced areas of benefit with AI (moreso more advanced ML implementations, it would seem to me) contrasted to the real, felt impacts on human lives.
Having just finished a personal project 35k word novella that started as a one-page scribble one day in a coffee shop last year, I felt myself most drawn to this section of the piece. While I don't plan to start a writing career after this 120+ hour experience, I think I learned a lot about myself and even matured a bit throughout the journey. I dared to try something new, learn and practice things that felt weird and uncomfortable, worked my way through how to convey thoughts bouncing around in my head, and gained newfound appreciation for those who write professionally and/or as recreation.
Typing a few paragraphs into an AI as a prompt for "my work" never would've birthed the characters I came to think about throughout the day, taking little notes to remind myself about a way to flesh them out more or fill out a part of the story. It would've robbed me of the chance to get experimental with how I told the story, bringing in a multimedia piece to the written work as a way to bring it more to life. I would've lost out on more reasons to get into film photography, musing on scenes captured in time to see how to describe them in the story.
Sure, an AI could've given me prompts to do those things, which could be helpful! But I would rather live in a world that values human creativity to such an extent that its easier to do those things (maybe with help from an AI, I guess), rather than one that mandates everything "creative" come from a randomizer built on ideas from the past.
In science that rigidity is an asset. After all, one doesn't want it hallucinating the laws of the universe. The reason and deduction are what keeps scientists employed.It's not only art or literature that's being abused by AI. Also science to a large extent. As far as I know, the AIs have no ability to reason or deduce based on, e.g., knowing Newton's laws. They can only answer questions if they've sort of seen the answer somewhere (on the web).
If we humans continue to assume AIs can do a lot of the hard work then I think we will wake up at some point discovering that no one knows how to gain new knowledge or how to critically evaluate results/postulates etc. Or create new original pieces of art/literature.
Jesus, brooding incel, who hurt you? The insecure resentment just festers, doesn’t it? Life is a dark hallway for you, replete in shadowy liberal hobgoblins who lurk in wait, thirsty for your vital essence. What a sad miserable life you lead.Except for the Ars Technica comments section. Rampant tribalism/fanboyism/any alternative valid PoVs and facts get downvoted to hell. Oh, wait, it happens almost everywhere comments can be downvoted... The Dems especially love cancel culture, while boasting that they have "no" censorship. Yeah, right.
Sure, and that'll help, but to take one example, if I ask a GenAI tool to draw me a barbarian, what do I get? (Genuine question, I've never played around with these things). If I give it the same prompt 100 times and get a decent selection of ideas and concepts for barbarity, or even just different styles of 'barbarian warrior' then that's cool and I'll walk back my statement.
On the other hand if all I get is variations on a Conan archetype - big oiled muscles, probably dude by default, minimalist leather armour, melee weapon, standing next to a TV (I jest but only a little) then that degree of randomness doesn't mean very much. That Conan might be wearing a skull necklace, that one over there might have a slightly different style of armour. Big deal.
I'm just going to point out to anyone else reading that poochy here has a history of making entirely disingenuous comments about AI. Then weaseling out of those statements like a child. Do not engage, it's not worth your time.This is no different than complaining about photography since it takes away the skill and creativity of paintings.
The reality is ai is a new tool that lets people do extremely creative things never thought possible before.
poochyena said:
So.. did AI take your job?
poochyena said:
so did you take the advice and adapt and learn new skills? Honestly, art is probably the toughest job to make a career out of even before AI. I know dozens of part time artists, but very few full time artists.
I didn't ask you to prove it, I just asked you if it did. Your original comment was very ambiguous in that regard.
"Its not mind reading though. People who are actually suffering tend to actually tell real stories of their suffering, not make up victimizing fantasies."
Interesting; my metaphors of choice here are dubbing audiocassettes or photocopying handouts -- but I guess JPEGs are the digital generation's equivalent. Eventually, the noise level rises high enough that the output isn't fit for purpose.Looking to the future, more risks may emerge. Ted Chiang's comparison of LLMs to lossy JPEGs offers a framework for understanding potential problems, as each AI generation summarizes web information into an increasingly "blurry" facsimile of human knowledge. The logical extension of this process—what some researchers term "model collapse"—presents a risk of degradation in our collective knowledge ecosystem if models are trained indiscriminately on their own outputs. (However, this differs from carefully designed synthetic data that can actually improve model efficiency.)
AI sludge . . . it's rapidly becoming the new dull background of the Internet . . . blaggh.Thats 3D, not 2D. How would you imagine it be done without ai?
The scale argument is pointless. Visibility is what matters most, not the amount you can make. 1 fake image seen by millions will be more effective at shaping people's perspectives than 10,000 images seen by only a few dozen people.